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John
As a former Marine I don't believe you are correct:
Two bars in the U.S. Navy was a Lieutenent. A Captain
insignia in the Navy an Eagle. The Navy LT. did wear
two bars {bands} but on his sleeve. The Captain had
four on his.

Jose Munoz

--- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> I don't believe your husband is right when he says
> that rank insignia is universal. One example: Navy 
> A Captain's insigia is 2 bars, but in Mexico is
> three bars.  U.S. Navy isignia are also different
> from the U.S. Air Force.
> 1gnzlz@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Emilie Garcia 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:20 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Rank Of Leticia's Ancestors
> 
> 
>   Hi, Leticia,
> 
>   My husband was in the U. S. Marines, and he said
> that rank insignia are universal.  He says the man
> sitting in the chair is a Captain (capitan).  The
> other man with the blue eyes and a badge on his
> chest and insignia on his collar (it looks like

Adressed to the Rancho member inquiry: Military Rank of ancestors. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_in_the_Mexican_military 

offers good contents.

Jose Munoz

No, but that's what I thought at first myself. It says he was from Spain originally but resident in this area (Zacatecas) for 18 years. Marge:)



On Dec 2, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

Marge,

 

Did I read correctly in your message below---the groom was 18 years old and the bride over 50?

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA --

----- Original Message -----

From: Alicia Carrillo

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:15 PM

Hi Alicia:

I am really confused about your husbands gg grandparents. I am having a 
hard time trying to picture the relationship. Can you find an easy way 
to explain it so that a dummy like me can understand it?

Jhon Gonzalez.

Carol:

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Roolo 167998 OAH 2358
pt. 2. Matrimonios Hojas Sueltas, 1730.  28 de abril
de 1730.   Pg. 302 - #1625.
Villanueva, Zac. Abril 28 de 1730. Exp. 27.  Mentions
declaracion del Cap. CRISTOBAL DEL MURO, de 64 anos de
edad: 

Jose Munoz

--- Carol Turner  wrote:

> My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro,
> Sanchez,
> Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and
> Gonzales, Gomez families.  I have gone back into the
> mid-1750's with most of these lines.  I'm going to
> submit more of our family tree since right now I
> just
> have our Muro's in the files.  Our family lived in
> Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were
> back as far as 1731.  Most of our family records
> were
> in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles,
> Villanueva
> and probably will find they started in Jerez.  I
> haven't been able to break through my brick wall
> with
> Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's).
> 
> Thanks for the

Alberto
Thanks for the information. So many common
locallities, surnames, and places...  May I ask the
Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco
Castallanos Sanchez? 

Although I see the money signs with the Munoz Family
in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would
improve the color of green on the tree. 

Thanks for the reply

Jose Munoz 

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
> the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> time. 
> 
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> 
> > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > uncles
> > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> of
> > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> family
> > ties? 
> > 
> > Written on some of the church documents that I
> >

Are we just all related?
I believe

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Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes
to see if any of these names are on tree.  I envy
those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of you
are true researchers and have helped so many of us
with new ideas!!!!

Carol Muro-Turner

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
> the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> time. 
> 
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> 
> > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > uncles
> > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> of
> > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> family
>

My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro, Sanchez,
Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and
Gonzales, Gomez families.  I have gone back into the
mid-1750's with most of these lines.  I'm going to
submit more of our family tree since right now I just
have our Muro's in the files.  Our family lived in
Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were
back as far as 1731.  Most of our family records were
in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles, Villanueva
and probably will find they started in Jerez.  I
haven't been able to break through my brick wall with
Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's).

Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes
to see if any of these names are on tree.  I envy
those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of you
are true researchers and have helped so many of us
with new ideas!!!!

Carol Muro-Turner

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna

Jose:
I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased (Lo
de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that time. 


Alberto

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> uncles
> (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of
> Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family
> ties? 
> 
> Written on some of the church documents that I
> researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> Pueblo
> de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. 
> 
> Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was
> one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas,
> according
> to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his
> money
> now.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> 
>   
> --- jose munoz  wrote:
> 
> > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following??
> 
> > 
> > Sagrada

I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my uncles
(Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of
Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family
ties? 

Written on some of the church documents that I
researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names Pueblo
de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. 

Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was
one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas, according
to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his money
now.

Alberto Duarte Prieto

  
--- jose munoz  wrote:

> Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? 
> 
> Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241
> pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII.  19
> de
> Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.                 
>  
>                 
> 
> Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de
> cuatro
> grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
> CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del

Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? 

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241
pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII.  19 de
Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.                   
                

Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de cuatro
grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del partido de
Taltenango, y residente en esta Ciudad de guadalajara,
hijo legitimo de MANUEL SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS y de
JOSEPHA DE RODAS, espanoles, vecinos de la
jurisdiccion de le Fresnillo; pretende casarse con
Dona JUANA DE LUNA, espanola, hija legitima de
BARTOLOME DE LUNA y Dona LORENZA DE HARO, vecinos del
partido de Taltenango. Declaraccion de FRANCISCO
XAVIER MEJIA, espanol de 30 anos de edad, vecino del
Pueblo de Taltenango, y residente de esta dicha Ciudad
de Guadalajara: Que THOMASINA DE HARO y HERNANDO DE
HARO, Difuntos, fueron primos hermanos, y la dicha
THOMASINA, tuvo por su hijo legitimo a MANUEL SANCHEZ,
padre

The exploitation and enslavement of 500 years,from
Mexico's caste and colonial system under the
Encomienda, are rooted deep within all of us. A weed
is a hard thing eradicate. Remember when you had
Dallas grass? Hopefully these last 50 years of
struggling against racial nationalism(e.g. defeat of
the Nazi's,collapse of Communism and the development
of the American Civil Rights Movement and birth of the
Rock 'n Roll and Salsa) will give fruit to a more
equal distribution of the benefits of being
alive,well, singing and dancing in these times. 

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Well, according to some, I made some misconceived
> assumptions in my posting about the uncanny
> resemblance of some people in the religious and
> merchant and military communities of Jalisco and
> Aguascalientes (the altenos, as Irma says). 
> However, as Carol Turner states in her posting about
> Colotlan, Spaniards and Indians were segregated
> prior to 1821, and I know of some that kept their

Are we just all related?
I believe the Sanchez Castellanos families from
Jerez/Xerez were related to the Duartes from Jerez. 
Two of my great------grandmothers from Jerez were from
Sanchez family and my uncle Tribucio Duarte and
Francisco Castellano Sanchez were business partners
back in 1815.  I do know that Francisco Castellanos
was originally from Aguascalientes.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Just posting some info I have found--
> 
> "Mezquital del Oro, Zac., Nov. 25 1748.  Exp. 24 -
> Informacion 
> Matrimonial del Ultramarino y Dispensa de Banas.  En
> el Real de San 
> Juan de Bautista del Mezquital, se levanto la
> informacion de Don 
> Francisco de Idon y Romay, esp., originario del
> puerto de Marin en 
> Reino de Galicia y residente en estos Reinos de diez
> y ocho anyos, hijo 
> legitimo de Don Marcos Idon y Romay y de Donya Maria
> Gonzalez de 
> Mendoza; con Donya Maria Sanchez Castellanos, espa.
> de