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yes lets get his name to the group so if other care to use him (well
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yes lets get his name to the group so if other care to use him (well
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Angie Godina sends these instructions on how to use PAF 4.0 to send in
your genealogy. . .was it Leticia Leon that asked originally?
PAF 4.0 English Instructions For an Ancestor Report 1. Select the Ancestor (Parent, Grandparent, ...) for report. 2. From the File menu, select the 'Print Reports...' option. 3. From the Reports and Charts panel, select the Books tab. The starting person will be the ancestor that was selected from step 1. 4. For book type, select Ahnentafel (Ancestry) radio button. 5. Choose the desired options or leave the default options. 6. Select the 'Print to File' check box. 7. Select the Print button. Note: For a Descendancy Report, select an end-of-line ancestor and then select the Modified register (Descendancy) radio button PAF 4.0 Instrucciones en Español Para un Informe Antepasado 1. Escoge su pariente (Padre, Abuelo, ...) para el Informe. 2. Del Archivo menú, escoge 'Imprimir Informes...' opción.
3. Del Informes y Cuadros panel, escoge Libros tab.
Emilie: I live just a few blocks from NARA's main building here in Washington DC. If you give me your father's full information I can try and look him up when I am down there next. I still have not found my grandfather's border crossing records either and the people at NARA are not very helpful... the records and films are not very easily useable and the films are horrible quality as well. It really makes me appreciate the FHC and the quality of LDS films, systems, etc. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > > To Michael Gonsalez: > > Thanks for the information you provided to Joseph below. I had to laugh at the part where you say "those of us who are still in the early 1900s researching our great grand parents and their brothers and sisters". It made me feel so old. I am trying to find an immigration record for my father. He came from Zacatecas in 1913 through the border crossing at El Paso TX. I would so much like to see
Mary,
Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as
accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a
date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary
source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's
date of birth for the death certificate was
Mary, Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's date of birth for the death certificate was anyone but the deceased, so they could easily make a mistake. The spelling of the name (Refugio vs. Refugia) I wouldn't be too concerned with either. I've seen records where the priest writes the name two different ways in the same record! If all the names and the place and time period match up, then it is likely the same Petra Romero you are researching. Maria --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allenwrote: > > I actually do have that record and I have been studying it because in records at home I found her birthdate as June 8, 1873. Perhaps the 1872 date is incorrect. I recall as a girl that she would insist she was indeed from
Rosalinda, If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee. I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his paleographic work. He also got and sent me via email an scanned image of a section from a 1594 "Testamento". Victor ----------------------------------------------- Hi all-- Here's the main page for the Archivo: http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=in I found under "instrumentos de consulta" some search pages. http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=ic&sc=ic If you click Argenta III, then Argento II, you can then enter a search name/word, and you can select under the pull-down menu Groupo Documental "999 Todos los groupos documentos," which is the last choice. Then you can search all of the categories. It appears they offer services as
Linda, FYI, there is a free edition of Legacy Family Tree software. http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ It lacks some of the functions of the Deluxe Edition but it still does so much, including the report I wrote about. Victor --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"wrote: > > Victor, thank you for your tips, I've been told Legacy is the > Cadillac of genealogy softwear and I will keep it in mind as my next > purchase of genealogy tools. My computer skills are limited and it's > a learn as I go project. I just started using the Family Tree > program that allows me to put in people who are not related to each > other so that when I can tie in a line I only have to merge them, > what a blessing that has been! > thanks again, Linda > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" > wrote: > > > > Linda, > > > > I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a > > function built into my genealogy software
Arturo, I've been to the Ixtlahuacan del Rio parrish twice. My first time going I called about a month prior to my trip and asked for the specific records. The girl agreed to have them ready when I got there. When I arrived the girl was very nice, but said she hadn't had time to get the records, but she still had the list of names and dates. There were quite a few and I offered to help her look through the books. She allowed me to look through the books and get xerox copies! The books were from the early to mid 1800's and were in fairly good shape. The cover appeared to be a piece of leather and for a clasp it had a string wound around a button. I had taken a gift to her and she was very happy. I offered a donation at the end, but she would not take it. My second trip was not as fruitful. There were two teenagers working there who were not very helpful and the office was full people waiting for help. I had a fairly long list, and they were having trouble finding the
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos group. File : /Peggy Delgado (peggydee@...)/Raigosa Family.rtf Uploaded by : peggydelgadoDescription : Jalisco and Zacatecas You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Peggy%20Delgado%20%28peggydee%40charter.net%29/Raigosa%20Family.rtf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, peggydelgado
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos group. File : /Peggy Delgado (peggydee@...)/Aguirre Family.rtf Uploaded by : peggydelgadoDescription : Aguirre Family of Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Peggy%20Delgado%20%28peggydee%40charter.net%29/Aguirre%20Family.rtf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, peggydelgado
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To Michael Gonsalez:
Thanks for the information you provided to Joseph below. I had to
laugh at the part where you say "those of us who are still in the early 1900s researching our great grand parents and their brothers and sisters". It made me feel so old. I am trying to find an immigration record for my father. He came from Zacatecas in 1913 through the border crossing at El Paso TX. I would so much like to see a record of his crossing, but NARA has been no help. The NARA office across the Sound in Seattle said they do not have the films for border crossings at El Paso for that period of time. They said that their office in Berkeley, CA or someplace had them. Since my sister was living in San Jose at the time, she went there and looked but was not able to complete her search and now she has moved to Las Vegas. You said you lived in Ft. Worth. Might you have a NARA there that has the El Paso border crossing records for around 1913? Thanks,
Emilie Garcia
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Only 1720 on are filmed and in the databases, because those are the actual parish records of the San Luis parish. However, Esteban Valdes Salazar refers to Franciscan convent archives that are held at the parish when citing marriage and baptismal records from the mid and late 1600s. They may go back further than that. I was just looking at the Colotlan films today and was very pleasantly surprised to find that the majority of the records are for indigenous people and that they are assigned to their historical communities in the city... Tlaxcala (which was the Tlaxacltec section), Tochopa, Sayotlan, etc. I bet it is possible to trace the Tlaxcaltec lineages down to the modern times. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puenteswrote: > > > > Arturo Ramos wrote: > > >There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan Convent > >set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan > >church. These include baptismal and marriage
I believe that I have uploaded most of the films that were in the individual files in RANCHOS2. Can those of you who have files there check and let me know if I missed some... I guess the next step is to put the IGI/VRI batch numbers associated with the films. If anybody has these for one of the towns that is already there, please add them. I have ordered three Sagrada Mitra films as well. I will report back on what those films are like. I imagine they have a wealth of infomation. FYI in case you want me to do a lookup of a citation that you have found from Luz Montejano's book... these are the films I requested... 0167992 0168004 0168006
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There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan Convent set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan church. These include baptismal and marriage records prior to the foundation of the actual church in 1720 (all of these on FHC films)... These are the ones I really want to look at. just want to clarify. . .are you saying that the 1591-1720 records are I imagine that since the civil registry has to have mechanisms to obtain copies of documents in their possession, they can be more reticent about letting people see the originals... plus I have heard that documents created since the time civil registry was instituted in Mexico are in worse shape than the old baptismal records because of printing on non-acid-free paper, whereas old records were |
Wow! The messages have been amazing the past few days. Thanks to all who have shared their insights regarding research. (Confession: I am really bummed - I was writing this message, and had written quite a bit, then accidentally hit the wrong key, and lost the entire message. Now I am going to try to reconstruct, and hope I don't leave anything out.) One of the things stressed by Dr. George Ryskamp at the recent Hispanic Family History Symposium held at the National Archives in Washington, DC, was the importance of knowing/understanding the locality of your ancestors. Learn about the geography, community, economy, culture, etc. Get to know about the jurisdictional concepts for your locality: political, ecclisiastical, judicial, military, etc. He highly recommended the preparation of a written locality report. In another presentation he mentioned the National Archives of Mexico - it sounded amazing. Has anyone in this group been there? BTW, his bibliography was quite
Victor, thank you for your tips, I've been told Legacy is the Cadillac of genealogy softwear and I will keep it in mind as my next purchase of genealogy tools. My computer skills are limited and it's a learn as I go project. I just started using the Family Tree program that allows me to put in people who are not related to each other so that when I can tie in a line I only have to merge them, what a blessing that has been! thanks again, Linda --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"wrote: > > Linda, > > I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a > function built into my genealogy software (Legacy) where I print out a > "source citation report". Of course this requires that everytime you > find a record on the IGI and make an entry in your genealogy database > that you record the batch number AND the date of the event as a source. > > With your source citation report on hand you just sort by > chronological order the
Linda, I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a function built into my genealogy software (Legacy) where I print out a "source citation report". Of course this requires that everytime you find a record on the IGI and make an entry in your genealogy database that you record the batch number AND the date of the event as a source. With your source citation report on hand you just sort by chronological order the entries grouped by source (batch number). Then, when you get a chance to review the microfilm of each batch number you just locate each date from your report in a forward sequence, take a picture (or transcribe the manuscript) and move to the next, etc. The ideal thing would be to read the whole book from start to finish but the circumstances usually make it impractical if not impossible. This is a very efficient method to get your records fast. Let's say you need some 20 or 30 records from a microfilm you can get them in about an hour. Hope this
I have started using the batch numbers to do the groundwork before going to the FHC to read the actual films. There are so many entries that are smeared or too light to read that having them read by someone else has been a Godsend. In doing marriage records for Tamazula the online batch # gave me a marriage for my ancestor Benito Gutierrez that I never would have been able to read on my own. I allow for misspelled names and missing dates. There are times when I know I will have to order the film a second time but when time is an issue pulling all the surnames I'm researching with the % and a surname has saved the day more than once. Now when I go to read the film I've already started my record with dates and names in sequence so I do them first and then go back and do the complete record a second time. I always order at least 2 films because one usually is being used by someone else and I've waited up to 2 months for a film to arrive or as little as 8 days. My husband
I went to Zacatatecas and visited a number of towns. Fortunately, I was able to take a long-lost relative to Valparaiso, Zacatecas, where he showed me around, including taking me to the Iglesia of that city. He knew somebody there at the church but that person was not available. He then took me to directly to a small office located adjacent to the church, where all the baptism/marriage/death records were kept. We asked if we could review baptism records but we received only a cold stare, not a no and not a yes. I got the definite impression that it was not allowed. My friend and I kept talking in Spanish, being friendly, and dropping a few apellidos here and there; I imagine the entire town is related directly or indirectly if you go back far enough. Anyway, after a little more chit-chat, I told her exactly what years and types of records I wanted to see, e.g. 1890-1895 baptisms. Amazingly, she brought out the INDEX to those baptisms, which included dates, names
There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan Convent set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan church. These include baptismal and marriage records prior to the foundation of the actual church in 1720 (all of these on FHC films)... These are the ones I really want to look at. I imagine that since the civil registry has to have mechanisms to obtain copies of documents in their possession, they can be more reticent about letting people see the originals... plus I have heard that documents created since the time civil registry was instituted in Mexico are in worse shape than the old baptismal records because of printing on non-acid-free paper, whereas old records were written with much more durable inks on much more durable paper. We will see. I am looking at writing to the parish head before I head down and perhaps getting a local historian to vouch for me. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillowrote: > >
Joseph, the films with no name are simply films with batch numbers next to them, so that they can more easily be searched in IGI and VRI. The database was originally for batch numbers and it has only recently been updated to include permanent loan information. Thus the missing permanent loan info on some and missing batch info on others. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puenteswrote: > > great thanks and whose's films are those that don't have names in the > permanent loan column? > > does anyone know? > > joseph > > ps: they look like mine but I didn't enter them so they aren't > > > > Arturo Ramos wrote: > > >I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the > >database. Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are listed > >so you know who has them at their local FHL. I will try to add batch > >numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I have > >time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups
Mary Allen, do you have this record?
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International
Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
PETRA ROMERO GONZALES
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 MAY 1872 Nuestro Padre Jesus,
Salinas Del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Parents:
Father: VICTOR ROMERO Family
Mother: REFUGIA GONZALES
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout
Call No.: Type:
Batch: K601881 1864 - 1875 Film
Mary Allen, do you have this record? IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International Genealogical Index v5.0 Mexico PETRA ROMERO GONZALES Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 27 MAY 1872 Nuestro Padre Jesus, Salinas Del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico Parents: Father: VICTOR ROMERO Family Mother: REFUGIA GONZALES Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: Batch: K601881 1864 - 1875 Film #0708217 Just Curious Jose Munoz Yuba City, Ca. --- Mary Allenwrote: > Jonathan, you are so kind and encouraging. > > I am especially concerned about my grandfather Jose > Adalberto Garana. This is all I know about him: > He was born in 1873 in Mexico but I don't know > where. I don't know his father's name but I believe > his mother was Maria Garana. This leads me to > believe that his father's name was something else. > He was educated by the Augustinians and the Jesuits