Huejucar!!! Part two

I will talk to my dad again about this.  Don't they do
DNA tests yet on females?

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Thanks Prima,
> 
> I haven't heard from you lately. Just thinking about
> you as I was 
> organizing some of our Muro Records. I'm trying to
> get my mess into some 
> kind of a reasonable pile. Thanks again. I'm trying
> to find a Muro from 
> my line of Muro's to consider DNA testing. Any
> Muro's on your side that 
> might be good candidates?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps:  Not sure of the time frame but there are films
> for that area of 
> Huejucar back to 1765:
> 
> Title
> Registros parroquiales, 1765-1973
> 
> Authors
> Iglesia Católica. San Francisco de Asís (Huejúcar,
> Jalisco) (Main Author)
> 
> Notes
> Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la
> parroquia.
> Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.
> Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations,
> marriages and marriage 
> petitions, and deaths from Huejúcar, Jalisco,
> Mexico.
> 
> Subjects
> Mexico, Jalisco

Huejucar!!! Part two

Thanks Prima,



I haven't heard from you lately. Just thinking about you as I was
organizing some of our Muro Records. I'm trying to get my mess into
some kind of a reasonable pile. Thanks again. I'm trying to find a Muro
from my line of Muro's to consider DNA testing. Any Muro's on your side
that might be good candidates?



joseph



ps:  Not sure of the time frame but there are films for that area of
Huejucar back to 1765:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1765-1973

Authors

Iglesia Católica. San Francisco de Asís (Huejúcar, Jalisco) (Main
Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages and marriage
petitions, and deaths from Huejúcar, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco, Huejúcar - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Geneal�gica de
Utah, 1962, 1978

Physical

102 carretes

Huejucar!!! Part two

Jospeh that is wonderful news.  The only family
connection from that area would be my
great-grandmother Francisca Carrillo who was from that
area; she married Casmiro Muro.   However I found her
baptism and marriage record in Santa Maria and
Colotlan.  Francisca was born in the early 1840's;
it's possible Huejucar didn't have a church until
after that time-frame?  I wish you good-luck, at this
time I don't have any films from Huejucar.  

Carol Turner

--- Santos Luna  wrote:

> I share your joy.....now go... and take on those
> films!!!
> Cheers/Helyn
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with
> my 2nd cousin Roy Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems
> that his grandfather, Nicolas was brother to my
> Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is
> that his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same
> place he says that my grandmother is from. That
> being said I'm off to the races again inserarch of
> this line

PLACING RELATIVES

OK, then, Joseph,
 
How do you write and pronounce all those subsequent
generations:   primera, secunda, tercera,  (I don't know how to
say the rest).  Also, why is pentabuelo listed as antepasado de 6th
generation when "pent" means "five" to me.  It looks like the pentabuelo
should go with "5th".  I did like the list though since it tells me what
comes after abuelo and bisabuelo, etc which I didn't know before.
 
Thanks,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:04
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] PLACING
RELATIVES

my email address is makas@...r.com
but just call me Joseph because makas means scissors and isn't my
name.

As far as I know there isn't any generally accepted alternative
to the Grandfather, Great Grandfather, Great Great Grandfather, etc
designations.

there is this in spanish:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7215

PLACING RELATIVES

my email address is makas@... but just call me Joseph
because makas means scissors and isn't my name.



As far as I know there isn't any generally accepted alternative to the
Grandfather, Great Grandfather, Great Great Grandfather, etc
designations.



there is this in spanish:



http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7215/generaciones.htm

1.   Padre


2.   Abuelo, antepasado
de 2ª generación



3.   Bisabuelo o Segundo
abuelo, antepasado de 3ª generación



4.   Tatarabuelo o
Tercer  abuelo o Trasbisabuelo o Transbisabuelo o



     
Rebisabuelo o Trasabuelo o Tresabuelo, antepasado de 4ª
generación



5.   Trastatarabuelo
o Cuadriabuelo o Cuatriabuelo o Chozno, antepasado de 5ª
generación



6.   Pentabuelo, antepasado
de 6ª generación



7.   Hexabuelo, antepasado
de 7ª generación



8.   Heptabuelo, antepasado
de 8ª generación



9.   Octabuelo, antepasado
de 9ª generación



10. Eneabuelo o Nonabuelo,
antepasado
de 10ª generación



11. Decabuelo, antepasado de
11ª
generación

joseph





lili

Huejucar!!! Part two

I share your joy.....now go... and take on those films!!!
Cheers/Helyn

Joseph Puentes wrote:


I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with my 2nd cousin Roy Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems that his grandfather, Nicolas was brother to my Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is that his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same place he says that my grandmother is from. That being said I'm off to the races again inserarch of this line of elusive relatives on my maternal Grandmother's side. . .her name is Antonia Lopez.

I just ordered two films from Huejucar. . .are there any Lopez in the group from Huejucar by chance?

joseph

ps: previous to this discovery I had doubts as to the true name of my maternal Grandmother as she went by several aliases. But I've heard it from 3 separate independant sources and thats good enough for me. If I can find a Lopez family in Huejucar that had two children named Nicolas and Antoniia I think I'll be on
the right trail. I can't

PLACING RELATIVES

 DEAR MAKAS:

  IS THERE A SYSTEM OTHER THEN USING THE "GREAT" WORD TO NUMBER 

 SITUATION IN THE LINE? WOULD IT BE CORRECT, INSTEAD, TO NUMBER AS

  FALLOWS: SON, FATHER-MOTHER, GRANDPARENTS, GREAT-GRANDPARENTS, AND

 THEN MENTION THEM AS THIRD-GRANDPARENTS, FOURTH-GRANDPARENTS AND

 SO FORTH? I THINK THAT WAY IT'S EASIER TO VIEW THEIR PLACES IN THE

 GENS LINE.

                                  LETICIA LEON MORALES
                                  AKA LILI PINZON




Huejucar!!!



I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with my 2nd cousin Roy
Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems that his grandfather, Nicolas was
brother to my
Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is that his parents
are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same place he says that my grandmother
is from. That being said I'm off to the races again inserarch of this
line of elusive relatives on my maternal Grandmother's side. . .her
name is Antonia Lopez.



I just ordered two films from Huejucar. . .are there any Lopez in the
group from Huejucar by chance?



joseph



ps: previous to this discovery I had doubts as to the true name of my
maternal Grandmother as she went by several aliases. But I've heard it
from 3 separate independant sources and thats good enough for me. If I
can find a Lopez family in Huejucar that had two children named Nicolas
and Antoniia I think I'll be on the right trail. I can't believe I
found this info.



I'm ordering these films:



Bautismos
1879-1891 - 
FHL INTL Film [

Immigration to Mexico from Spain

There is an edition published in Mexico as well with a different 
ISBN.  I have perused through the book at the Library of Congress.  
It is very well indexed, and has a good deal of informtion though it 
is a bit cryptographic as all of the information is provided in 
abbreviations so as to save page space... There is then a translation 
table at the front to make sense of all the codes.

LC Control Number: 86197796  
Type of Material: Text (Book, Microform, Electronic, etc.) 
Personal Name: Boyd-Bowman, Peter. 
Main Title: Indice geobiográfico de más de 56 mil pobladores de la 
América Hispánica / Peter Boyd-Bowman. 
Edition Information: 1a ed. completa. 
Published/Created: México : Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas, 
UNAM : Fondo de Cultura Económica, 1985- 
Description: v. 1 > : ill. ; 24 cm. 
ISBN: 9681613368 (set) 
Notes: Includes indexes.
Bibliography: v. 1, p. xliii-lviii. 
Subjects: Spaniards--Latin America--Registers.
Immigrants--Spain--Registers.
Immigrants--Latin

Immigration to Mexico from Spain

Ray,

I don't have a copy of my own but I was able to find the ISBN online.

ÍNDICE GEOBIOGRÁFICO DE MÁS DE 56 MIL POBLADORES DE LA AMÉRICA
HISPÁNICA, I : 1493-1519 
Peter Boyd-Bowman 
Págs./dimensiones: 276 pp. ; 24 x 14 cm 
Presentación: Empastado 
ISBN: 9681613376  
Ediciones: Primera: 1985; última: 1985; número: 1 
Historia editorial: 1ª ed. del tomo I (Instituto Caro y Cuervo,
Bogotá, Colombia), 1964 1ª ed. completa, 1985 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Jauregui"  wrote:
> Victor,
> Can you provide me with a little more data on the book "Indice 
Geographico de Mas de 56 Mil Pobladores de la America Hispanica" ,
such as the ISBN number, Publisher or Catalog/Label numbers?
> 
> Ray Jauregui
> Sammamish, WA



Immigration to Mexico from Spain

Victor,

Can you provide me with a little more data on the book "Indice  Geographico de Mas de 56 Mil Pobladores de la America Hispanica" , such as the ISBN number, Publisher or Catalog/Label numbers?

 

Ray Jauregui

Sammamish, WA 

Somos Primos September 2005 Table of Contents





-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Somos Primos September 2005 Table of Contents lq
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:32:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@...
To: MIMILOZANO@...





SOMOS
PRIMOS  September 2005  Table of Contents




http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2005/spsep05/spsep05.htm





Dear Readers . . 



I hope you all enjoyed a fun summer. I was contacted by quite a few
Lozano researchers and was delighted to find the connections.



Please read about the National Museum of the American Latino in
Washington, D.C.
and support the effort to your local
representative. Citizen support is needed.

Our calls might make the difference.



Also, a reminder,  National History Day is underway. Each state
has a coordinator.  You may consider giving a small award in your
Family's name.  It will encourage research of our history and heritage
among both Hispanics and non-Hispanics . .  http://www

Help with Questions for Podcast Series

Oh, I remember that now. Thanks for the answer. Marge:)

On Aug 31, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:


Marge:



My Ramos are neither from Chihuahua nor really Ramos.  The name goes

back only to the late 1700s in Totatiche, Jalisco, where a priest who

apparently refused to recognize the name of the family who had taken in

an "expuesto" (abandoned child) by the name of Ramon, assigned the last

name of Ramos instead to his children.



It seems that children born after the priest changed in the parish got

the name Aranzazu.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza

wrote:

> Are your Ramos' from Chihuahua?

> Marge:)













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Marge:

My Ramos are neither from Chihuahua nor really Ramos.  The name goes 
back only to the late 1700s in Totatiche, Jalisco, where a priest who 
apparently refused to recognize the name of the family who had taken in 
an "expuesto" (abandoned child) by the name of Ramon, assigned the last 
name of Ramos instead to his children.

It seems that children born after the priest changed in the parish got 
the name Aranzazu.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  
wrote:
> Are your Ramos' from Chihuahua?
> Marge:)




FYI Census - Atolinga

fyi - thanks Mickey:



-------- Original Message --------

Subject: FYI Census
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:42:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: MMG8938@...
To: makas@...






family="SANSSERIF" face="Arial" lang="0">Hello:



While looking at Film No. 1219416 - an 1815 Census of

.....Ranchos que comprenhenden en la ayuda de la Parroquia de
Atolinga....

It lists the following:

Atolinga, Laurel, Charcuelos, Durazno, Ojo de Agua, Laguna Grande, Los
Velas, Tapias, Ranas, Nacasquilco, Estansia, Adobes, Serritos,
Puertesito, Salto, Acatepulco, Lagunilla, Serrito [different from
above] and Redamadero.

Maybe someone is looking for the above ranchos??



The ranchos also have earlier census records.....very interesting



Mickey

Research Helps

Hello Jonathan,

I recently found a couple of very good research sites.  For you and
anyone else whose search has led them to the Basque Country, in Spain,
the links below provide a way to do online queries of parochial
records in a similar way to familysearch.  Hope this is helpful to
someone.

Have ancestors in Gipuzkoa?
Make an online search of parochial archives at "Archivo Histórico
Diocesano de San Sebastián"
http://www.elizagipuzkoa.org/artxiboa/

What about Biskaia ancestors?
Check "Archivo Histórico Eclesiástico de Bizkaia"
http://www.aheb-beha.org/

Or here's a single site where you can search the three Basque
Diocesis: Araba, Biskaia and Gipuzkoa.
http://www.irargi.org/

Un Saludo Cordial!
Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "mexicanfhr"  wrote:
> When there is a IGI record, says that the record was submitted by a 
> LDS Member.  Especially, if it was submitted in the 1970's, 1980's, 
> and the early 1990's, on paper.  The church kept a copy on

Research Helps

When there is a IGI record, says that the record was submitted by a 
LDS Member.  Especially, if it was submitted in the 1970's, 1980's, 
and the early 1990's, on paper.  The church kept a copy on the 
submission on film.  They are sorted into batch numbers and into 
Serial or sheet numbers.  These numbers are so that you can find the 
record on the film.  As far as I know, you can only use the Batch 
number, when performing a online search. 

The submissions films, are restricted to the Family History Library 
in Salt Lake.

thanks,
Jonathan
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Angie,
> 
> Thanks.  I was just joking!
> And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's 
the
> purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?
> 
> I've tried entering data into the [Film Number] field in a similar
> fashion to the [Batch Number] as some recommend field but

Research Helps

Hello Stuart,

Thanks for your response.  Sounds like you have had extensive
experience using these search tools.  Thanks!

Saludos
Victor Villarreal
Reynosa, México


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Armstrong  wrote:
> Hello v.h.villarreal,
> 
> Thursday, August 25, 2005, 1:30:18 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Angie,
> 
> > And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
> > purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> > IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?
> 
> The best time to use these is when you find a record of interest that
> has a batch number. Records were submitted by extraction workers or by
> church members in batches. So it is often the case that the records in
> a particular batch are either for related persons or persons who lived
> in the same area at the same time.
> 
> So whenever a batch number exists, try searching for all the records
> from that batch. (I think you have to entry a country

Research Helps

Hello v.h.villarreal,

Thursday, August 25, 2005, 1:30:18 PM, you wrote:

> Angie,

> And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
> purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?

The best time to use these is when you find a record of interest that
has a batch number. Records were submitted by extraction workers or by
church members in batches. So it is often the case that the records in
a particular batch are either for related persons or persons who lived
in the same area at the same time.

So whenever a batch number exists, try searching for all the records
from that batch. (I think you have to entry a country too.) Some
batches are very large and may have sheet numbers too. If these were
microfilmed or extracted from a microfilm, there may be a Film number.
-- 
Best regards,
 Stuart                            mailto:stuarta@...


Help with Questions for Podcast Series

Are your Ramos' from Chihuahua?

Marge:)

On Aug 29, 2005, at 11:44 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:


I agree with Victor's opinion about the podcast series.  I especially

enjoyed the interview with Rosalinda.  In case anyone is wondering, I

am her 26 time (probably more) cousin that she discusses in the

interview.  It has been a pretty amazing discovery to find long lost

cousins doing genealogy research.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"

wrote:

> Joseph,

>

> I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps

> getting better.  Thanks!

>

> Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my

> head.. :~)

>

> About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious

to

> know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates

for

> genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other

words,

> what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from

> available

Help with Questions for Podcast Series

I agree with Victor's opinion about the podcast series.  I especially 
enjoyed the interview with Rosalinda.  In case anyone is wondering, I 
am her 26 time (probably more) cousin that she discusses in the 
interview.  It has been a pretty amazing discovery to find long lost 
cousins doing genealogy research.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps
> getting better.  Thanks!
> 
> Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my
> head.. :~)
> 
> About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious 
to
> know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates 
for
> genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other 
words,
> what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from
> available sources.
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> > 
> > Okay I

Thank you

Arturo and Joseph:
Thanks so much for your responses to my inquiry - the information and 
links are very interesting, and I just want you to know I appreciate 
your sharing.
Thanks again,
Natalie in VA




ArchdioceseFormationInfo:I need a geographic history lesson ...

No doubt Lopez de Santana is among the most opprobrious characters in
Mexican history, but blaming the current state of affairs exclusively
to the acts of leaders like him is no doubt an extreme oversimplification.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> Poor Mexico.....
> Because of such poor leaders as Santa Ana, including
> many others after him, Mexico remains a 3rd world
> country. We, 25 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans
> in the U.S., are living proof of Mexico's economic and
> political failures.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> 




Help with Questions for Podcast Series

Well, Marge,
 
Our obsession could lead to illness if we are not careful.  I find that when I am on a tear, I spend too many hours poring over records on the internet with the glare of the screen and artificial lights, at the FHC, reading, taking notes, etc and neglect my sleep and exercise and diet.  I notice that my eyesight has really suffered lately.  I need to remember to take frequent breaks, etc  It seems too that I plan my life now around trips to the haunts of my ancestors and cemeteries and Salt Lake City and countless university, city, and state libraries.  I risk snakebites in old cemeteries, etc.  One rattlesnake bite could ruin my whole day, my husband says.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Margarita Vallazza
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Help with Questions for Podcast Series
 

I don't think of genealogy an illness.  I think it's more of desire to
know about ourselves and we

Help with Questions for Podcast Series

That is a great point Lili,
 
Everytime I meet a teacher, I tell him/her that a good project for young children as soon as they learn to read and write is starting a family tree and interviewing their relatives about what life and school was like when they were young, what games they played, what language they spoke, where their ancestors came from and what that country was like.  It would give them a good picture of their place in life and make their future studies of economics, geography and history come to life and be more interesting.  Everyone has some value to somebody, and we can all live on in recorded history through documentation of lives lived.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
 
----- Original Message -----
From: lili pinzon
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Help with Questions for Podcast Series
 

I suggest this question: is there any project in the school fields
to promote or to motive children an young teens and