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or even go to "No Email" and read the posts online.

if you need help let me know.

joseph

Why does it have to be offline? We want to know more information on your trip, too! It's interesting and very helpful to the rest of us. Purty Pleez? Marge:)



On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:36 PM, Santos Luna wrote:

Peggy, On my July trip to Tlaltenango, I was able to obtain some oral history from my cousins paternal grandmother who just celebrated her 100th birthday.

Her family said that she has great eyesight, and memory, She appeared to be in better health than her 80 year old daughter.

 

I was curious about the various "ranchos" so, I asked the various family members. Also, I was amazed at the distance between Tlaltenango, and some of the "ranchos"...she said that they would walk over the mountains...about 2 hours. Gosh...even in my days of running and hiking, the terrain would have been quite the feat. 

 

Back to your question...about the "rancho" being listed as the birth place...apparently this is where the family lived and worked, then they went to the nearest church for the

-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alberto
Duarte
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:27 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto
- Gracias

There is a ranch just outside of Jerez
called Lo de
Luna.  Many of my ancestors came from this ranch.
I
believe my  uncles (Garcia de la Cadena branch)
purchased the
ranch from the Munoz family in the early
1700's.

Alberto Duarte
Prieto
San

-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Santos
Luna
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:09 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto
- Gracias Part Two

Rosalinda, Fantastic site!!! found what I was looking for,
and much more!!! Thank you for sharing.
Helyn

lareina2@... wrote:

Hi Helyn--

 

If you click on this link: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm ,
it is a geographic dictionary and lists many of the ranchos and
cities in Mexico, in alphabetical order.  Click on M, and then
scroll down to the link for Muertos, which happens to be on page 152, volume
4.  There are 18 ranchos listed under Muerto, and 5 under Muertos, with
other variations

yes Dennis Daily is what I meant not Day. . .very nice person and easy
to talk to on the phone. Sometimes when you call Special Collections he
answers the phone. If anyone calls or emails him please report back on
future film sites on their agenda. thanks,

joseph

gmccrary@... wrote:

New Mexico State U. has filmed 3 archives from Mexico: three
collections in Durango--"the archives from the Durango Cathedral,
the state's notary records and a portion of the colonial materials
from the state historical archives." The Sombrerete will be the 4th
one.

NMSU worked with the town council to gain permission to film those
documents from Sombrerete. The person in charge at NMSU is
Dennis Daily. Perhaps you can contact him and inquire about future
projects.

Gloria



Yahoo! Groups Links

thanks for this great information. I also have family from there. Maybe
some gaps will be filled once this project is complete. thanks much.
keep us updated and also forward any ILL loan information we might need.
I know Mr. Day in Special Collections via some email communications. He
is a very very helpful person.

thanks,

joseph


gmccrary@... wrote:

In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State University in Las
Cruces, I found the following article:

NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, Zacatecas. It will
take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. "The archive
houses little used, but incredibly rich documentation for the period
of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th century."

Among the materials are the church sacramental records such as
the marriage records from 1738-1764.

I am looking forward to the completion of the filming. Many of my
ancestors came from Sombrerete. Don Diego de Vargas recruited
many of his NM colonizers from

There is a ranch just outside of Jerez called Lo de
Luna.  Many of my ancestors came from this ranch. I
believe my  uncles (Garcia de la Cadena branch)
purchased the ranch from the Munoz family in the early
1700's.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- latina1955@... wrote:

> Rosalinda,
> This site is facinating.  I looked up Herrera, and
> there appears to be a rancho en Los Altos de Jalisco
> and Luna in Jerez!  Now while this may be a very
> remote possibility, perhaps the families from the
> areas are related to those from Tlaltenango.  Or, it
> could mean that there were lots of baptisms being
> performed on the indigenous populations, and they
> ran out of surnames.....
>  
> Esperanza (Chicago area)
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lareina2@...
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:09:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto -
> Gracias
> 
> 
> Hi Helyn--
>  
> If you click on this link:
> http://biblio2

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Yolanda Medina-Perez"
 wrote:
> Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of 
> Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need 
> some guidance and contacts.   
> 
> Yoli Medina Perez
> El Paso, Tx.

May I make the suggestion of the Mexican FHR group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/).  It is a group that I
started about a year ago, to cover all of Mexico.  There are only 9
members at the moment.  And any one is welcome, to join.  Recently, I
took on a client, who has ancestry, from Santa Rosalia & Carmargo.  So
if there are questions, ask them.  And I will see if I can find an answer.

Thanks,
Jonathan

size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:34 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Research Groups for
other states

Yolanda,

 

It's funny that you asked that today. I was also wondering if anyone
knows of a group for Michoacan. A friend at the local FHC was asking me about
a group for her state of Michoacan, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Alicia Carrillo

San Jose, Ca

Yolanda Medina-Perez
wrote:

style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Does
anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of
Chihuahua?
I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need
some guidance
and contacts.  

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso,
Tx.  

>From what I have been able to gather there are two places called 
Rancho del Muerto in Mexico.

One is in Chihuahua.  The other is in Aguascalientes.  There is a 
place on modern maps in the municipality of Rincon de Romos called 
Puerta del Muerto, which may be it and the other is a place just near 
Aguascalientes (the city) called Cerro del Muerto.

Given the proximity of Tlaltenango to Aguascalientes, that is 
probably where you should search.  There is someone who refers to el 
Rancho del Muerto in their geneaology as well:

www.somosprimos.com/spsep02.htm

And a map:

http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/ags/3-cosio-aguascalientes-mexico-
map.shtml


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  
wrote:
> 
> 
> In a marriage record for a Magallanas ancestor, Tlaltenango - 1764, 
he is listed as being from "Rancho del Muerto". (Hmmm I wonder how 
that rancho was named). Has anyone encountered ancestors from this 
rancho? I am looking for other possible connections

Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of
Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need
some guidance and contacts.  

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso, Tx.  

Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of 
Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need 
some guidance and contacts.   

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso, Tx.   

I have one ancestress whose birth record lists her as mestisa (that's how it was spelled) but her parents are listed in Luz M. Hilton's book as espagnoles and her son's birth record lists him as espagnol--go figure!!:( I think it had to do with did her parents (who were aristocrats, I might add) pay the priest enough for the baptism? Probably not. Marge:)

On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:58 PM, lareina2@... wrote:

Hi Erlinda--

 

If you have access to Ranchos 2, look in this folder: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/ .  The varying names indicated the "amount" of indigenous, African, or Spanish blood a person had, although by no means should the priest's words be taken as accurate.   I think sometimes the priest would base his judgment on what he saw.  The Spanish had quite a complicated process.  The specific name was supposed to indicate the racial measure of each person-- so if you had x amount of Spanish blood and y amount of indigenous blood, there was a