Hacienda La Trinidad, Zacatecas

perfectly acceptable. . .if i had relatives from that place and i had
some chump change like that weighing me down I'd certainly like to know
so I could add it to my collection of family memorabilia.


thanks for the message. . .keep them coming. As long as they are related
to our target area or info that is general enough to be of value to all
areas of Mexican research this group is wide open. . .bring on the info!!!


thanks,

joseph

Natalie wrote:

Occasionally, when bored, I check out Ebay.  Today I noticed that the
Hacienda "La Trinidad", said to be in Zacatecas, was for sale on Ebay
- only $850,000.00.  Anyone have ancestors from this hacienda? (If
this is an unacceptable message for the Ranchos board, please remove
and forgive.)
-Natalie






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Hacienda La Trinidad, Zacatecas

Occasionally, when bored, I check out Ebay.  Today I noticed that the
Hacienda "La Trinidad", said to be in Zacatecas, was for sale on Ebay
- only $850,000.00.  Anyone have ancestors from this hacienda? (If
this is an unacceptable message for the Ranchos board, please remove
and forgive.)
-Natalie




1876 Map of Jalisco/Jonathan's Resource Disk

yes I'll do that but as i was told that this town is now a ghost town.
but just in case it still survives i'll have a look. What I need to do
is search a good old map say from back in the early 1900's or earlier.
I've got one that was sent to me by Gloria Delgado from the 1876 time
period. I need to go and study that map. thanks for your message
because it clarified what I had said in my own mind that this will be
the only way to find this town. Or maybe in that online dictionary in
the links area. thanks for any comments as the give me ideas.



thanks,



joseph



ps: I'm continually amazed at how much information is on your resource
disk. If anyone is interested in receiving a disk packed with info on
our target area and all of Mexico write to Jonathan for the cost
details. Well worth the price. jonathan@...





mexicanfhr wrote:

Joseph,

Use the Resource disk, that I sent you.  go to the geographical index,
look under Jalisco, and click on the 2000 census info.  It is a .pdf
file

Help Please Help

Joseph,

Use the Resource disk, that I sent you.  go to the geographical index,
look under Jalisco, and click on the 2000 census info.  It is a .pdf
file.  Open the search option, and try a combination of letters, and
see if you find you town.

Thanks,
Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> oooh, oooh, oooh!!!! I just got off the phone from collecting some 
> critical Oral history from an Aunt that has been very very reluctant to 
> talk to me about her mother or my one and only Solid Brick Wall:
Antonia 
> Lopez. I got confirmation that Antonia Lopez is indeed her name. she is 
> my maternal grandmother! Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> anyway now here is the most important information that she gave me:
> 
> she said that she was from a town that sounds like Juclaclan 
> (who-cla-clan).
> 
> Can all of those that have great imaginations and have studied your 
> specific areas of Jalisco send me any town, pueblos, ranchos or
anything 
> that even

Help Please Help

I'm happy for you.  Maybe someday I can be as
successful.

Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> oooh, oooh, oooh!!!! I just got off the phone from
> collecting some 
> critical Oral history from an Aunt that has been
> very very reluctant to 
> talk to me about her mother or my one and only Solid
> Brick Wall: Antonia 
> Lopez. I got confirmation that Antonia Lopez is
> indeed her name. she is 
> my maternal grandmother! Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> anyway now here is the most important information
> that she gave me:
> 
> she said that she was from a town that sounds like
> Juclaclan 
> (who-cla-clan).
> 
> Can all of those that have great imaginations and
> have studied your 
> specific areas of Jalisco send me any town, pueblos,
> ranchos or anything 
> that even remotely sounds like Juclaclan.
> 
> Boy if I could just break this one line I would be
> so far in heaven you 
> might not hear from me again.
> 
> I can't believe it I really can't. . .this aunt just
> opened

Help Please Help



oooh, oooh, oooh!!!! I just got off the phone from collecting some
critical Oral history from an Aunt that has been very very reluctant to
talk to me about her mother or my one and only Solid Brick Wall:
Antonia Lopez. I got confirmation that Antonia Lopez is indeed her
name. she is my maternal grandmother! Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!



anyway now here is the most important information that she gave me:



she said that she was from a town that sounds like Juclaclan
(who-cla-clan).



Can all of those that have great imaginations and
have studied your specific areas of Jalisco send me any town, pueblos,
ranchos or anything that even remotely sounds like Juclaclan.





Boy if I could just break this one line I would be so far in heaven you
might not hear from me again.



I can't believe it I really can't. . .this aunt just opened right up
and talked to me so natural. I think she saw how persistent I had been
all the while not being pushy to get info from her. I would just
occassionally call and

Valparaiso URL

Title: Re: [ranchos] Valparaiso URL

Joseph,



There is another URL for Valparaiso: http://www.portalvalparaiso.com/portal/. Maybe you have discussed it previously.



Ed





On 2/20/05 8:54 AM, "Joseph Puentes" wrote:






http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/



thanks to Victor Villarreal we have this great URL in the links area

under "Pueblos on the web." especially look at the link "Numeros

Importantes" there are some Casetas listed. . .I wish I could find a

list of Casetas for other places in our target area. Anyone know of a

URL that would list the Casetas Mexico wide? Or at least for Jalisco?



thanks Victor,



joseph







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Valparaiso URL


http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/

thanks to Victor Villarreal we have this great URL in the links area
under "Pueblos on the web." especially look at the link "Numeros
Importantes" there are some Casetas listed. . .I wish I could find a
list of Casetas for other places in our target area. Anyone know of a
URL that would list the Casetas Mexico wide? Or at least for Jalisco?


thanks Victor,

joseph



Valparaiso

Well I was surprised that Valparaiso doesn't seem to have Batch
Numbers. . .at least that I can find. In my search I found this misc.
information that might be totally unrelated then again maybe not:


IGI
Individual Record
FamilySearch™
International Genealogical Index v5.0
  Mexico
Search
Results
  | Download | Pedigree

JOSE GARCIA ALCALA
  Male    

Event(s):
Birth: 
19 MAR 1894  

New links - Pueblos on the Web

yes great idea. . .a lot of the sites have a equivilent to sign a "guest
book" option. Here you can see a variety of people who have visited the
site. Most don't live there now but probably still have relatives that
live there. Also if you start by contacting the ones with the particular
surnames you are researching who knows but you might be contacting a
lost branch of your family.


Thanks Victor for the addition of towns to the lists and the
encouragement to contact our places of origen (at least as far as we know).


joseph

Victor Villarreal wrote:

Hello All,

Just to let you know that I've added a few more links on the Jalisco
and Zacatecas folders. If you haven't browsed by those folders
lately I suggest you do.

There are some very good sites and I would encourage everyone to try
to make some contacts via email if you haven't already done so. Who
knows...? maybe one day you'll have a chance to travel down south
and visit some of those towns and you'll have

New links - Pueblos on the Web

Hello All,

Just to let you know that I've added a few more links on the Jalisco 
and Zacatecas folders.  If you haven't browsed by those folders 
lately I suggest you do.  

There are some very good sites and I would encourage everyone to try 
to make some contacts via email if you haven't already done so.  Who 
knows...?  maybe one day you'll have a chance to travel down south 
and visit some of those towns and you'll have somebody waiting for 
you.  Wouldn't that be nice?

Victor





Greetings!

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Hello to Everyone; 

I want to introduce myself; my name is Carol
Lester and I am researching my father's family from the Jalisco, Zacatecas,
Agualicentes areas. In particular, I am researching the "Alvares (z) line. 
I have not been able to locate any live relatives, or even anyone who knew the
family.  I am hoping I will find some connections through this
group.

Regards,

Carol Lester
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Batch Numbers

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Jonathan,

 

Please remove me from the list to send the batch numbers. I will wait until
the information becomes available from the community download file. Thank you
for making this available.

 

Ken Alva

kmalva@...

Amazing. . .its done: Jalisco, Aguascalientes, Zacatecas Batch Numbers

Joseph,

You are very welcome.  And thank you, for being able to upload, the
files, that I couldn't.

thanks,
Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Once again a tremendous thank you to Jonathan Walker. Your help is 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> I can't believe I did it. That tool my wife had is so easy to modify 
> .pdf files. I deleted most of everything that was not our target area 
> and added the Batch numbers to the Ranchos2 files area. have a look. 
> Even with the deletion of most everything else the files are still big 
> and now we are hanging on the edge of fully using all of our alloted 
> file space in the Ranchos2 files area. . .hmmm, maybe its time to think 
> of other options or even possibly make up a Ranchos3 group. These extra 
> groups are a hazzle but they do provide free space. I wish I was
webpage 
> savy and could get the hang of downloading to a webpage and just adding 
> a link to the Links area. Anyone out there

Would like to have that batch numbers list...

Leonard,

Exactly, what information are you asking for?


Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Cantul@A... wrote:
> hey, Jonathan, I am interested in getting copies of whatever you
have on 
> Cantu, Gomez, Vela, Vella, Rodriguez, Mesa, and Gonzales.
> 
> I would be very grateful. Thanks a million
> 
> 
> 
> Leonard Cantu




Amazing. . .its done: Jalisco, Aguascalientes, Zacatecas Batch Numbers

Once again a tremendous thank you to Jonathan Walker. Your help is
greatly appreciated.


I can't believe I did it. That tool my wife had is so easy to modify
.pdf files. I deleted most of everything that was not our target area
and added the Batch numbers to the Ranchos2 files area. have a look.
Even with the deletion of most everything else the files are still big
and now we are hanging on the edge of fully using all of our alloted
file space in the Ranchos2 files area. . .hmmm, maybe its time to think
of other options or even possibly make up a Ranchos3 group. These extra
groups are a hazzle but they do provide free space. I wish I was webpage
savy and could get the hang of downloading to a webpage and just adding
a link to the Links area. Anyone out there looking for a challenge?


thanks,

joseph

ps: to see the new batch number files go to the "links" area of Ranchos.
Look for the one called "Ranchos2" if it doesn't let you go to the files
area of Ranchos2 then you

Batch Numbers


thanks to Jonathan we should very soon have the Jalisco and Zacatecas
batch numbers available in the Ranchos2 files area. I had a look at
those files and the reason they couldn't be easily downloaded is because
they are for all of Mexico and huge files. My wife, Figen (she's from
Turkey) has a program that lets you modify .pdf files and I hope to be
working on isolating Jalisco and Zacatecas from the rest of Mexico in
hopes that the resulting file will be able to be downloaded. Let's see.
In the meantime those that made a request of Jonathan to be included in
having the files sent to them might have to wait awhile until I get this
figured out and hopefully downloaded.


thanks,

joseph



"Tracing the Indigenous Voice in Latin American Colonial Archives"



Just came home from listending to Dr.
color="#000000">Joanne Rappaport,  present a lecture on "Tracing
the Indigenous Voice in Latin American
Colonial Archives."



What a wonderful discussion that opened new thoughts about our
Indigenous ancestors with regards to the written notarial records. Even
though the discussion covered South America and not our research area
it was great to get a glimpse of the depth of records that are
available in the 16th century. Truly our Spanish forefathers kept great
records and it was encouraging to think that there exists a great
possibility of finding some information in the notarial records from
Guadalajara on my family. A lot more study needs to be done but I hope
to one day dive into these records to explore that possibility.



Just thought I'd share that with the group.



thanks,



joseph

Valparaiso

Amigos:
My name is Natalie Castro Coleman, and I was
graciously accepted to the ranchos group in late
January.  I live in northern Virginia, near
Washington,DC.  I was born and raised in southern
California (Los Angeles/near Boyle Heights; and
Cucamonga), but have lived in Virginia for over 30
yrs.  My father was born at Hacienda Astillero,
Valparaiso, Zacatecas in 1912.  He came with his
family to the U.S. in 1916.  I have not done any
in-depth research in over 10 yrs., but have decided to
work on this family history - especially for my
grandchildren. If I am doing this correctly (I am not
a computer techie, and can only do the most
rudimentary of tasks) there should a message attached
that explains a little about my family heritage. So I
will close for now - I am happy to join so many
friendly and helpful people.  Take care - have a great
weekend.
- Natalie
Note: forwarded message attached.


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo

A Call For Batch Numbers/Digest/Cal Berkeley

I'd like to have a copy. Gracias.

Guillermo Valdez


--- mexicanfhr  wrote:

> 
> Joseph,
> 
> I have copies of the Parish and Vital Records Index,
> for all of
> Mexico.  Which lists about 90% of the batch numbers,
> for Mexico.  I
> can send whoever would like a copy.  I have it, in a
> PDF format.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
>  wrote:
> > Well I don't want to burden any one person but how
> about your
> particular 
> > areas of research. . .aren't you doing Mazapil and
> Sombrerete?
> > 
> > I was hoping that if just a few of you all would
> do maybe just one 
> > slowly that "File" in Ranchos2 would start to fill
> in.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > Jonathan
> > 
> > ps: and thanks for the kind offer to the group.
> > 
> > 
> > mexicanfhr wrote:
> > 
> > >Joseph,
> > >
> > >Which batch numbers are you wanting? 
> > >
> > >Also, if anyone needs a lookup at the Family
> History Library, in Salt
> > >Lake, I usually

Notary Records, Land and Water Records


has anyone ever had a look at the Notary records? How about the Land 
and Water Records? If you have can you give an idea of what kind of 
info is found on these films. I'm wondering if there might not be 
some books on the subject of these records. I've got a feeling that 
there might be a wealth of information on a few select individuals 
within these records.

thanks,

joseph

========================

Topic  Mexico, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Notarial records
 
Titles  Protocolos, 1583-1674  Guadalajara (Jalisco). Notarí¡Š
Protocolos, 1606-1903  Guadalajara (Jalisco). Notarí¡Š

Protocolos, 1891-1904  Guadalajara (Jalisco). Notarí¡Š

Protocolos, 1893-1899  Guadalajara (Jalisco). Notarí¡Š



=======================

Title
Tierras y aguas, 1584-1866

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos y en 
el Archivo de Gobierno del Estado de Jalisco, Guadalajara.
Incluye índices.
Land and water rights records from Guadalajara, Jalisco

ValadezMaltos: Encarnacion de Diaz

Title: Re: [ranchos] ValadezMaltos: Encarnacion de Diaz
I also have Macias Valadez from Aguascalientes.  They
became Macias though, and moved to the Jalostotitlan, Jal. area.  There are
still Macias in Aguascalientes too.  Maria-Cayetana Macias-Valdez was my
nearest paternal 5th grandma.
Irma Gomez



From: Edward Serros [mailto:ed@...et]

Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:27 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] ValadezMaltos:
Encarnacion de Diaz

Joseph,

I reviewed file and I could not make a
connection. However, my great-great grandfather, Brigido Suarez, married Julia
Valadez in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes 1860, for what it is
worth.

IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch(tm) International Genealogical Index
 v5.0

 
Mexico

Search
Results
   | Download  |
Pedigree

BRIGIDO
SUAREZ

 

Spouse: 
JULIA VALADEZ
Family

 
Marriage: 

24 NOV
1860  
El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes,
Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality
listed in the record

Less Than Two Months Away. . .



yes in deed. . .its less than two months away before the axe swings.
Right now I'm just spending my time carefully honing the edge of my axe
to a surgical sharpness. The second annual purge of Ranchos members.
The loping off of member subscriptions for those that meet the
following two requirements:



1) they haven't sent in their genealogies



2) they haven't communicated with me and thus bought more time



NOTE: now every time I send this kind of message I always seem to upset
the "good" members and make them think I'm talking
about them. If you want to know if you are on my "short" list of "bad"
members then just go to the "files" and "links" areas of the group and
see if you have a "genealogy" folder in place with your info in it. If
you don't then you can expect an email from me in about a month
wondering "what's goin on?"



NOTE(2): now those of you that have no work submitted fall into two
catagories: 1) those that have communicated and have received a buy (or
is it "by") and

Request for Batch Numbers for Jonathan



Jonathan and I had a very nice conversation the other day and it turns
out there are some technical difficulties with getting the (very large)
batch files for Jalisco and Zacatecas downloaded into the Ranchos2
website. But he did send me the batch numbers for Aguascalientes and
they are available in Ranchos2 under "batch numbers" . . .now wouldn't
this be a good enough reason for you 15 or so members to review if you
have access to Ranchos2 and notifiy me? Afterall there is a lot more
stuff in that "files" area on our research in general that you might be
interested in. Have a look.



So I just said all this to say that we are looking into how to get
Jalisco and Zacatecas downloaded and available to all that have access
to Ranchos2. Hopefully we should have this resolved and online in the
next week. . .in the meantime have a look at Aguascalientes.



joseph



ps: again Thanks Jonathan for all your hard work in helping us the
Ranchos members as we search for our ever elusive