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In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children refer to the adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their respective spouse is referred to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The "politica" makes reference to the fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage, not blood.

In a recent conversation, an adult relative of my husband (the son
of my husband's cousin brother -- his first cousin, once removed in English)
informed me that my husband was his tío. I wasn't about to argue, but I
don't think he is correct. However, I do not know the terminology for
Spanish genealogical relationships.

Is there a publication that has it all laid out? If it has already
been discussed and is in the archives, I apologize for the query, and I'll
look it up.

In English, each succeeding generation is a new level of cousin --
as long as both lines are represented, yours and your relative's. If you
reach the end of one line, the level of kinship (cousinship) stays the same,
but the generation moves until the end of the other line is reached. (I
know -- that was a horrible explantion.)

Common Ancestor
Siblings
1st cousins
2nd cousins
3rd cousins
________________________
3rd cousin once removed (one generation removed)
3C 2R
3C3R, etc

sorry, but even those with a subscription cannot get more than just the
reference you saw. It comes from PERSI which is also available on
ancestry and at your local FHC. I guess if there is an article of
interest you can google it and find the source and see about ordering
back copies of the journal/paper.

joseph

ps: an inexpensive way to get Heritage Quest is through the Godfrey
libary: $35 per year. . .good deal! www.godfrey.org

Alicia DeNood Thornton wrote:

Joseph,

A number of the Heritage Quest links you listed in a recent posting
look promising, but I am not a qualified person and cannot sign on.

Is there any way that an independent researcher can have access?

I just submitted my privatized .gedcom to the www.familysearch.org
site as a Pedigree Resource File submission. Has anyone on the list
done this before? So how does this work? Does every single name in the
.gedcom get put in so that the search engine will pull it up by surname? 

just as an example here is some of their listings:

6. Angela Castreje Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina
7. Ana Jova Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 17 Sep 1923 Bustinza, Pcia.Santa Fe,
Argentina
8. Antonia DÍAZ - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina

how is it that the brief info following the name comes into the search
engine results? Is it that the search engine picks out the exact
wording in the .gedcom including the place of birth and puts it into
the results? . . .as in the above example?

thanks,

joseph

Are any of you from Nochistlan related to this guy?

joseph

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  #1 Re: Don Lucas                        [lorenzo.cuesta@...]

Message Board URL:

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Message Board Post:

Hola,

Tengo un pariente de Nochistlan que habra nacido antes de 1770.  Esto
solo lo puedo calcular.  Isidro Cajero y Ursula Don Lucas tuvieron un
hijo, Eugenio Cajero, que se caso en 25 de septiembre de 1799.  (Si
Eugenio de caso a la edad de 15, y Ursula tambien, entonces Ursula nacio
antes de 1770.)
Me intriga
tu comentario que el nombre Don Lucas no habra existido en
Nochistlan antes de 1750.  Tienes algun documento que indique el origen
o la migracion del nombre Don Lucas?  Por favor comparte la informacion
que te

Yes, I am researching Gaeta from Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco.

Do you have a particular name?  My Gaeta list is very long...many 
names...

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Are there any Gaeta's from Colotlan in the group? if so contact me, 
thanks,
> 
> joseph

Are there any Gaeta's from Colotlan in the group? if so contact me, thanks,

joseph

I did a couple of various searches and got the same results that you probably got: nothing. I hope you continue searching and will one day have the

Are any of you from Nochistlan related to this guy?

joseph

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Today's Topics:
 #1 Re: Don Lucas                        [lorenzo.cuesta@...]

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GaC.2ACE/290.292.300.1

Message Board Post:

Hola,

Tengo un pariente de Nochistlan que habra nacido antes de 1770. Esto
solo lo puedo calcular. Isidro Cajero y Ursula Don Lucas tuvieron un
hijo, Eugenio Cajero, que se caso en 25 de septiembre de 1799. (Si
Eugenio de caso a la edad de 15, y Ursula tambien, entonces Ursula nacio
antes de 1770.)
Me intriga tu comentario que el nombre Don Lucas no habra existido en
Nochistlan antes de 1750. Tienes algun documento que indique el origen
o la migracion del nombre Don Lucas? Por favor comparte la informacion
que te lleva a tu conclusion.

Mil Gracias,
Lorenzo Cuesta
Sacramento, CA

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http://www.somosprimos.com/inclan/inclan.htm

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON MARIA ROMANA RIOS, BORN ABOUT 1818,
HER PARENTS WERE JUAN RIOS AND ELENA REAL FROM RIO GRANDE ZACATECAS. 
MA.ROMANA MARRIED ANDRES SAAVEDRA, MY GGG GRANDFATHER. IN ROMANA'S 
DEATH CERTIFICATE FROM MAPIMI DURANGO IT STATES THAT HER PARENTS 
WERE "NATURALES DE RIO GRANDE ESTADO DE ZACATECAS"  DOES THIS SOUND 
FAMILIAR? I DON'T KNOW IF ROMANA WAS BORN IN ZACATECAS BUT SHE MAY 
HAVE.

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I believe there is a distinction between a Dispensa and an
Información Matrimonial.  The dispensa was issued by the
bishopric. 
In the case of Los Altos the bishopric was in Guadalajara.  The
dispensa was a permission to marry.  The Información Matrimonial
was
an investigation and once that was satisfied I don't think it always
resulted in a dispensa, but correct me if I am wrong. Also the
Información Matrimonial was conducted by the local parrish.  Both
documents

I believe there is a distinction between a Dispensa and an 
Información Matrimonial.  The dispensa was issued by the
bishopric.  
In the case of Los Altos the bishopric was in Guadalajara.  The 
dispensa was a permission to marry.  The Información Matrimonial
was 
an investigation and once that was satisfied I don't think it always 
resulted in a dispensa, but correct me if I am wrong. Also the 
Información Matrimonial was conducted by the local parrish.  Both 
documents contain a wealth of information.  I have an Información 
Matrimonial that covered the life of one of my ancestors in great 
detail. It talks about where she was born, when she first married, 
widowed, and where she resided until she married (my ancestor) for 
the second time.  I have a dispensa from 1735 for another couple that 
is 21 pages long.  They needed the dispensa because they were related 
to one another and the witnesses name the couple's ancestors four 
generations back!  It was quite a find.

Maria

--- In

Here is a Website that covers the surname "Diaz Infante", from Lagos
de Moreno, Jalisco.

www.diazinfante.com.mx

Jonathan Walker

Joseph wrote:

- Well I guess i'm not much help but 
> what the priests were suppose to do when someone from another parish 
> came to be married in the church they were suppose to contact that 
> parish to make sure they were in good standing. [Note: Can anyone else 
> confirm what I just said. I am pretty sure I read that some place maybe 
> in George Ryskamp's Book].
> 

Ryskamp, does talk about the pre-marriage investigations, in chapter
10, page 193 of his book.  Usually the results, of such investigations
were kept in the "informaciones matrimoniales" or the "diligencias
matrimoniales"

Also, what makes you think that the two wives Maria Genoveba and Maria
Josefa were from a different parish.  Because, at times, people were
not christened in a parish, but the family may have moved to the
parish, after the children were christened, but they lived in the
parish for years.  The priest may then think, that he didn't need to
make any further contact.

Jonathan

Kitty,
When you say that you printed the index to the 811 films.  What index
did you print?  Is it a index of the towns, or a index of the names on
the 811 films?

Thanks,
Jonathan