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Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the

Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the mexican phone book?  If so, is there any 'Campos' or 'Alvarez' names you could send me?  I haven't made much progress with any new information for my mexican families.  Especially Alvarez!  I am beginning to think my father's father was a 'myth'!!  I went to the obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm site, but I don't understand what it is.  Can you educate me?

Regards,
Carol Lester

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jun 30, 2005 6:44 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

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joseph

They still bury people in that cemetery.  I saw the
grave diggers taking dirt out of an existing burial so
that it could accommodate a coffin atop of the
existing one!  Some families are so poor that they
bury relatives atop of existing coffins/sites.  

Yes, when I was inside that old cemetery I felt that I
was among my past relatives.

Alberto.

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

> The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is
> different than here stateside.  I wanted to visit
> all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
> records.  Our host could not understand my desire to
> go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past!  He
> did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los Haros, I
> found all the names I have been researching clear
> back to the 1750's.  One could almost feel the
> ancestors... I also went to the cemetery in El
> Durazno.  They absolutely refused to take me to
> Panteon de los Dolores in Jerez, they said enough
> was enough...
>  
>  I

Thank you.

Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> 
> Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> >Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Hey, Jose, we could be related!
> >  
> >
> 


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http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

Alberto Duarte wrote:

Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.

Thank you.

Hey, Jose, we could be related!

I guess you're right, we did eat well at the expense of hotel rooms & baths!
We only ate out in Mexico because it was cheaper to feed a family of eight
with big appetites. :)  Occasional burgers in the U.S. happened more rarely.

During our trips, we would pile into a hotel room the night before arriving
to our first destination: Ags (my dad's family immigrated there from Jal.in
the 1950's) for showers.  The other 2 nights were spent in the car.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte [mailto:albertodua@...] 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:32 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole

You ate real good!  I envy you.  I can count the number of times on my left
hand that my dad took us to a restaurant.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San Diego, a 
> Mexican-Amer co-worker telling me that another made tamales funny.  I 
> responded with how does she make them?  He

I visited the same cemetery when I visited Jerez a
number of years ago.  I took photographs of the
headstones (those that I thought that were related to
me).  The church and cemetery were probably very
beautiful in their time, but yes, the site has been
neglected.  

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Dear Jose,
> It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one!  I
> did get to go to a 
> cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was
> more to the name, but 
> I cannot recall it.)  It was very interesting.  Some
> of graves are 
> covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved
> marblery.  A few are 
> very distant relatives or family connections of my
> grandmother's.  What 
> was also sad about this site was that here these
> folks had spent a LOT 
> of money to perpetuate their existence and the
> cemetery was so 
> neglected and overgrown with weeds.  One grave had a
> broken slab and 
> bees had made their hive inside.  My husband, our
> guide, and

You ate real good!  I envy you.  I can count the
number of times on my left hand that my dad took us to
a restaurant.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San
> Diego, a Mexican-Amer
> co-worker telling me that another made tamales
> funny.  I responded with how
> does she make them?  He answered that she folded
> them instead of tying the
> ends with a small strip of hoja.  I smiled because
> we fold them, and I kept
> wondering why they tied the ends in all of the
> Mexican restaurants in San
> Diego.  This is when I discovered that this was how
> they made them in Baja
> California where my first co-worker's mom was from,
> and many of the
> restaurant cooks in the area.  By the way, I vote
> San Diego for the best
> Mexican restaurants.  In San Diego, my husband & I
> never got that stuffed
> feeling we often get from Northern Calif. Mexican
> restaurants, unlike my
> mom's.  
> 	I remember while traveling to

You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San Diego, a Mexican-Amer
co-worker telling me that another made tamales funny.  I responded with how
does she make them?  He answered that she folded them instead of tying the
ends with a small strip of hoja.  I smiled because we fold them, and I kept
wondering why they tied the ends in all of the Mexican restaurants in San
Diego.  This is when I discovered that this was how they made them in Baja
California where my first co-worker's mom was from, and many of the
restaurant cooks in the area.  By the way, I vote San Diego for the best
Mexican restaurants.  In San Diego, my husband & I never got that stuffed
feeling we often get from Northern Calif. Mexican restaurants, unlike my
mom's.  
	I remember while traveling to Mexico as a kid to visit my abuelitos,
we used to have some of the best steaks in the Northern states from Ciudad
Juarez through Durango, Zacatecas, etc., to our final destination: San Juan
de los Lagos.  My dad would give

Dear Jose,

It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one! I did get to go to a cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was more to the name, but I cannot recall it.) It was very interesting. Some of graves are covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved marblery. A few are very distant relatives or family connections of my grandmother's. What was also sad about this site was that here these folks had spent a LOT of money to perpetuate their existence and the cemetery was so neglected and overgrown with weeds. One grave had a broken slab and bees had made their hive inside. My husband, our guide, and myself were the only ones there and it was a sobering experience.



Sorry, I don't know anyone's address or anything. Leonardo de la Torre Berumen and Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada are two gentlemen whom I met on my trip. Bernardo and Leonardo collaborate a lot on historical research. You might be able to get Leonardo's email address from Mimi Lozano's Somos Primos

Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.

Thank you.

Hey, Jose, we could be related!



Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Jose,
> 
> I have a 2002 phone book that has a section for
> Jerez. Would you like 
> for me to send you a scan of all the Macias?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> zendean wrote:
> 
> >Margarita;
> >    My great grandfather and ggmother were from
> Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder, 
> >is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife
> Leonarda Ramirez are and 
> >have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me
> that they visited them in 
> >Zacatecas when they were little and that the
> Macias's lived on a farm there.
> >    I wonder if you know some one that is there now
> that I can correspond 
> >with to ask about them.
> >
> >Jose Macias
> >usa20@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Margarita Vallazza" 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian

Margarita;

My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now that I can correspond
with to ask about them.

Jose Macias
usa20@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy

My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
or two:

I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
healthy drink.  She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in

It's all regional:
Funny, if you ask the people from Zacatecas if their
food tastes better, 99% will tell you that there is
food is much better.  And if ask the people of Jalisco
if their food tastes better, 99% will tell you that
their food is better.  To me, the Mexican food here in
California is the best (But I won't tell that to my
wife).

Alberto.

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Irma,
>  
> Jalostitlan and Tlachichila Zacatecas are only about
> 2 hours from each other so I''m sure that many foods
> are very similar, this must be one of those foods.
>  
> Alicia
> 
> Irma GomezLucero  wrote:
> Alicia,
>     You're making me hungry.  My parents used to
> make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits. 
> Unfortunately we didn't appreciate it because of the
> lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> Irma
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> From: Alicia Carrillo [mailto:alliecar@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48 PM
> To: ranchos

St. Xavier is near the Alameda and Piasano streets
that are just west of Washington Park.  Most of the
old homes have been torn down (probably because the
area was becoming a slum area).  Nearby, there is a 6
lane bridge crossing over to Juarez.  From the bridge
you can see St. Xavier. 

Most of people that lived in the St. Xavier church
area were originally from Chihuahua, such as my
mother's family, and many were from Zacatecas/Durango,
such as my father's family.  The great majority of the
people were very poor, but their sons and daughters
eventually made the core of our great generation--hard
working, outstanding citizens.  Many of the second
generation want on to become doctors, lawyers,
engineers, actors (Antony Quinn, Gilbert Roland),
teachers, politicians, war heros, and athletics (Ted
Williams mother was from there).

The next generation will even be greater!

Alberto.



--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Where is St. Xavier's?  I don't recall ever hearing
>

Where is St. Xavier's? I don't recall ever hearing the name. I used
to go to Sacred Heart and then after we moved when I was 8 to Little
Flower (over by Lakeside Shopping Center) and finally to St. Joseph's
which was the closest Catholic church near our house when we lived near
5 points. Don't y'all just love this conversation? I do! Marge:)
On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

> Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
> clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
> neighborhood and search for them. 
>
> Your grandfather was probably well know in the old
> barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old
> barrio and he probably knew some of