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Hello Bill,

You recently wrote about your ancestor Vicente RUIZ DE ESPARZA and his second wife, Rafaela de TRILLO y Delgado.
Could Rafaela TRILLO be the same person as Maria Raphaela Catharina CARRILLO, or does Vicente have a third marriage?

I came across the following last night, the "Carrillo" is very clearly written:

INFORMACION MATRIMONIAL: Pilot Site
Aguascalientes, Sagrario INFO MAT 1775, Images 453, 454, 455
Sep 15 1775
Vicente RUIZ DE ESPARZA, originario y vecino de Aguascalientes
hijo lexitimo de Francisco RUIZ DE ESPARZA y Josepha de VLLOA, difuntos
Viudo de Catharina de OROSCO y Rayas nueve meses ha, sepultada en esta parroquia
con
Maria Raphaela Catharina CARRILLO, espanola, orig y vecina de esta Villa
hija natural de Manuela CARRILLO
TESTIGOS: Don Eugenio de ESPARZA, Domingo de ESPARZA, y Jose Alvino PRIETO

Thank you in advance for your imput.

Gloria Delgado

Published by Rose_Hardy – Sun, 2009-08-09 19:34 | Permalink

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Gloria

Have you found Vicente's marriage information to Catalina (Catarina) Orosco de Ralla? I am going through the marriage info images and recognized the name. Film 1747 at the pilot site, image 350

Rose

Published by gloriad648 – Sat, 2009-08-08 12:01 | Permalink

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Hi Bill,

With all due respect and gratitude for how you have helped me and so many others with our troubled and tangled lines of research, may I offer an alternative opinion, another point of view:

While it's of course possible for one marriage record to be botched or mixed with another, it's very difficult for me to believe that Vicente RUIZ-ESPARZA's marriage and informacion matrimonial records were both botched in exactly the same way, given that they were recorded on different days, the records themselves are clear, neatly done and complete, with the added definite identification of Vicente's first wife Catarina OROSCO.

However, as you do, I too feel that the information about Rafaela TRILLO being Vicente's wife is also absolutely overwhelming, especially with the definite statement that she was Vicente's second wife. I'm inclined to put less weight on the evidence of her death record, though, for in this case it is not the testimony of her parents that she is una hija legitima

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Hi Gloria,

Thank you for your assessment of Vicente Ruiz de Esparza's marriages. In
all honesty, I had not paid much attention to the children of his first
marriage. However, I had noted in my records that his first son Joseph
Cayetano had been baptized more than a year before Vicente and Catarina were
married. Notice that the actual baptismal record is also included in the
book. In that record, dated 15 April 1746, he was declared "hijo de padres
no conocidos". The note, written by the priest with instructions from a
higher church authority in Guadalajara, was added 23 March 1787. No wonder
he is referred as Don Jph Cayetano. He was already 41 years old when the
note written. His baptismal record reads as follows:

Al margen: "9. Joseph Cayetano Español 37."

"En la Iglesia Parroquial de la Villa de Aguascalientes en quinse de Abril
de mil setecientos quarenta y seis años baptise solemnemente a Joseph
Cayetano que nació en esta villa el día trese del corriente mes

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Published by Bill_Figueroa – Thu, 2009-08-06 19:30 | Permalink

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Gloria,

I replied to your message without changing the subject, so it says for Bill
Figueroa. I guess you could have easily missed it thinking that it was your
own message. Did you get my reply?

Bill Figueroa

Published by Bill_Figueroa – Mon, 2009-08-03 16:30 | Permalink

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Hello Gloria,

I'm glad you asked that question. I found these records a few years ago, and wondered if the priest had made a gross error when he wrote the marriage record. So far I've not been able to find a third marriage. However, no other records mention María Raphaela Catharina Carrillo. I'll give some additional data before I draw my conclusion:

Their first child, José Ricardo, was baptized 8 April 1778 in Aguascalientes. His parents are listed as Dn. Vicente Ruiz de Esparza y Da. Raphaela Delgado (Bautismos 1777-1779, Image 121/365 Foja 158b)

My ggg-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad, was baptized 2 Feb 1781 in Aguascalientes. His parents are listed as Vicente Ruiz de Esparza y Rafaela Delgado (Bautismos 1781-1782, Image 11/298 Foja 10)

José Gabriel Felipe, was baptized 24 Nov 1783 in Aguascalientes. His parents are listed as Vicente Esparza y Rafaela Delgado (Bautismos 1781-1786, Image 97/192 Foja 93b)

Their fourth and last child, José León, was baptized 16 April

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