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Hola primos y primas,

In my lines I have Diego Delgado and Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano, married 22 Feb 1637 in Aguascalientes. She was daughter of Cristobal Martinez Lozano and Maria de Islas. They’d live on Pendencia in Sierra de Pinos, I have them with four offspring:

1. Baltasar Delgado, m. Petronila Niño
2. Maria de Islas, m. Diego de Guzman y Rivera
3. Juan Delgado, m. Anna Gonzalez de Rubalcava
4. Francisco Delgado, m1. Petra Martin Chavez, m2. Juana Delgado y Valenzuela.

Diego Delgado died sometime before 1671, probably in Pinos, and Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano died in Charcas, SLP, and was buried 16 Jul 1676. Her albaceas were her son, Baltasar and Juan, both who lived in Charcas.

I know Diego Delgado had an older brother named Juan Delgado, who also lived on Pendencia, born around 1604-1607.

Question: are they sons of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz? Their son, Juan Delgado (m1. Juana Rivera, m2. Maria de Vargas), would have been the same age as Diego Delgado’s older brother. (whose signature I have, but none appears on Juan Delgado-Diaz's 1669 dispensa, to compare).

Anyone know anything?

Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Published by hfaizcorbe – Mon, 2024-03-04 08:54 | Permalink

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Sometime ago I read your findings on Diego Delgado, his wife and family in law. At the time I didn`t realize that Juan Diaz, his father in law happened to be one of the founders of Celaya on January 1st, 1571 (There are no other mentions to a Juan Diaz in the area until at least 1611, and this one was married to a certain Agustina Rodriguez, mestiza and he himself apparently a mestizo, and they both lived in the village of San Miguel in 1614). He and the other founders were granted land at the beginning of 1574 and they made the commitment to keep them for, at least, ten years, but by 1582 he had sold his. This might have happened probably because he was a master shoemaker and not a labrador, and it can also be the reason why he moved to San Luis Potosí.

The founder of Celaya were 30, and they had to be, and actually were, heads of family, i.e. at least married, and in most cases had children. This means that it was highly probable that they were all above 20 years of age. That would

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Hola Héctor,

Very interesting and very plausible, that Juan Diaz was among the founders of Celaya. Great lead! From the approximate birth years of his children, he could easily have been born before 1550. And I agree with you about RMB’s assessment, and that he was speaking of another person with the same name, likely Juan Diaz de Silva, who was a maestro zapatero.

According to Fray Cristobal Cabrera’s testimony in his criminal case (Oct 1626), Juan Diaz was living in Sierra de Pinos around 1610, with his daughter and her husband, and that he was very old and extremely poor, for which reason he visited the convent where Fray Cristobal was guardian for meals: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDY-QCXR?cat=31792

Here is a carta de venta, dated 29 Aug 1617, Juan Diaz, resident of San Luis Potosi, sells partes de dos minas que tiene en Sierra de Pinos to Pedro de Castañeda. I can’t say with complete certainty that this is our Juan Diaz, but he mentions that the mines were

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Hola, Manny,

Congratulations on your research. It is truly impressive. I'm very grateful to you because the information that you provide has helped me get a more precise idea on another of Celaya's founders.

As I believe I mentioned before, all of Celaya's founders on whom I have been able to gather information other than their names and land grants were dead by 1600. Although it's not impossible that the Juan Diaz that you have found coul've been one of the founders, there is a chance that he might have been his son. By January 1st, 1571, they were all heads of a family and, if I'm correct, they all had to be of at least 25 years of age, or have been emancipated by their fathers.

Another of the founders was Juan Gallego, who seems to have had a son, Hernan Gallego or Gallegos, married to a Mexican indian and living in Apaseo at the beginning of the XVII century. Little more is known about him. But considering that many of the founders participed in the foundation of the village together

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Published by rojasdelgado – Mon, 2015-12-21 22:24 | Permalink

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I am sorry I cannot answer your question, but I do want to give you information (In case you don't have it) about one of your Delgado ancestors.

I came across this while researching my own Delgado line from Tlaltenango and Atolinga, Zacatecas.

Juan Delgado is in the following book "Spain's Patriots of Northwestern New Spain" the link follows:

http://www.somosprimos.com/hough/nwus.pdf

He is listed among the Spanish Patriots who fought against England during the American Revolution. He is listed alphabetically on page 48 on the pdf document. He was son of Bartolome Delgado, who was son of Francisco Delgado, who was son of Diego Delgado as you previously posted.

Other helpful links.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5F8-DQV
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5FZ-KNN

I hope this helps your research.

Ruben

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Tue, 2015-12-22 09:07 | Permalink

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Hello Ruben,

Thank you for sharing that. I was approached by a member of the DAR in regards to that historic link; as it turns out, Juan Joseph Delgado was actually the grandson of my g7's Bartolome Delgado and Francisca Josefa Echevarria y Merquelin, and son of Juan Manuel Delgado and Matiana Contreras. So, he was my 1st-cousin 7 times removed (so my sisters don't qualify for the DAR).

It's great to have a link between our zacatenos and the American Revolution!

Do you descend from this same family?

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Thank you Manny for asking the questions about Diego Delgado and Juana Dias. And thank you Ruben for the most valuable information on Juan Joseph.
Juan Joseph Delgado (2nd Cousin 6x)although he is related from his mother Mateana Contreras Rodriguez as well, I had the informational PDF when I first started last year but I forgot I had it. I was able to add his family to my ancestry account and only merged his 1st and second wife Juana diaz Trevino montemayor etc that were listed on the PDF. Here is his ID(L44C-41J) on Familysearch.org. Happy Holidays to all!!

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Hola primos y primas,

I was going through notary records in San Luis Potosi, and I found Diego Delgado, miner from "El Descubrimiento de Nuestra Señora de la Concepcion de Sierra de Pinos," registering some mines in Pinos. From the timeline, I'd say this is Diego Delgado, who was married to Juana Diaz:

24 Jan 1603, Registro de Minas
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7NS?mode=g&i=163&wc=…

11 Mar 1604, Registro de Minas
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7JN?mode=g&i=113&wc=…

His name also appears in other mine claims on the same roll, in reference to other mines registered in Pinos.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Manny,

This is good information. Its really nice to find out how our ancestors made their money. Do you know what kind of mine it was like gold or silver? Also you say they lived on Pendencia, is that a place or does that mean something? also when someone is registering a mine does that mean they own the mine? i recently connected to this family through my ancestor Rafaela Delgado

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Delgado-287

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas were known for their silver mines, though there was some gold, mercury and other metals. These would be "mine claims," as we call them in English, and yes, the registrants owned the mines, unless they were registering them in someone else's name.

Pendencia is a hacienda, north of the town of Pinos; these days, it's a "mezcalero" hacienda, where they grow cactus and distill their own tequila.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hola Primos,

I think I’ve found the two documents that can establish that Diego Delgado, who married Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano, was the son of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz.

This is the IM for Nicolas Gomez, Mulato Esclavo de Diego Delgado, of the Pendencia, for his marriage to Juana Maria India, 11 Sep 1647, in San Matias, Pinos.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B7RG-6?i=45&wc=3PS9-W38

Appearing as testigos, are brothers, Juan Delgado (35y) and Diego Delgado “El Moso” (25y), españoles, vecinos de la Pendencia. According to Juan’s declaration, Nicolas was born in the home of his brother, Diego Delgado, who is Nicolas’s master. Diego Delgado El Moso says he’s known Nicolas for 18 years, and that he was born in the home of his father, Diego Delgado (“El Viejo”).

From the timeline, approximate ages and location, we can surmise that Diego Delgado “El Viejo” is the same who married Juana Diaz, and Juan Delgado is their son, b. 9 May 1604, married to Maria de Vargas and

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I wanted to make a correction, regarding this entry, since it's not a mine claim, but the registration of a lot in Pinos, with an ore mill & smelter, quarters for Indians, and a main house. It had a water hole and was next to the lot of Pedro Narbais [de Carvajal]:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7NS?mode=g&i=163&wc=…

The only baptism record I have for their children is for Juan, b. 9 May 1604, Sagrario, SLP. He's likely the oldest, so Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz might have been married the previous Jun 1603, and in SLP.

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hola prim@s,

I thought I’d do some catch-up on the Delgado’s of the Pendencia. It’s been more than 6 years since I started this thread, and I’ve accumulated some information about this family since.

First of all, I can confirm that Diego Delgado “el Mozo” and Juan Delgado were the sons of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz. On 13 Mar 1656, Diego Delgado, resident of La Pendencia in the jurisdiction of Sierra de Pinos, born in the City of Celaya, the legitimate son of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz, gave power of attorney to doña Isabel Martinez Lozano his wife, and to Juan Delgado his brother, and to Juan Martin Chavez, miner and resident of La Pendencia, so that they could write his testamento, as he was very sick and unable to do so. He named as his legitimate children and heirs:
- Juan Delgado age 16 (b. 10 Sep 1639, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.)
- Baltasar Delgado age 14, (b. 2 Jan 1641, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.)
- Francisco Delgado age 8 (b. 23 Apr 1647, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.)
- Maria

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Thank you Manny for this very valuable info.

It's been a while seen I've been able to add new ancestors to my tree, keeps getting harder.

I descend from Diego Delgado & Juana Díaz through their son Joseph Delgado > Luis Delgado Tiscareño > Teresa Delgado > Andrea Maldonado > José Tomás Fernández de Palos, etc. This line survives in Coahuila, in the area of Monclova.

Regards,

Bernardo Menchaca

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