Hola a todos.
He encontrado encontrado en la pagina de
http://www.geni.com/people/Juan-Pantoja-De-Mendoza/6000000008718635886
que Bernardina Mendoza, esposa de Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor, fue
descendiente de Inés Alvarez de Toledo y esta última
fue descendiente de los duques de Alba. esto me parece muy interesante
ya que Bernardina Mendoza es mi ancestro, pero
las fechas de nacimiento no son lógicas ya que Bernardina Mendoza
tiene como año de nacimiento el 1533 y Luis Hurtado
de Mendoza (esposo de Inés Alvares de Toledo) tiene como año de
nacimiento el 1500. como se ve en 33 años no pueden existir 4 generaciones.
Mis preguntas hacia el foro son, ¿habrá un error en las fechas? o
¿simplemente no hay relación entre Bernardina Mendoza y Luis Hurtado de
Mendoza?
Agradesco la aclaración que presten a mi gran duda.
Saludos.
Atentamente:
Mario González
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Bernardina Mendoza did not descend from the Juan Pantoja that we have been tracking in this thread. Bernadina’s parents and ancestry can be found at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24761
The information that was gathered in this original thread was not in vain as it led to understanding the vast and complicated Pantoja ancestry.
Thanks to Erik Andres Reynoso For providing valuable genealogical information that clarified the identities of her parents and grandparents.
Rick A. Ricci
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Otro dato incorrecto es el de Gonzalo Núñez de Sotomayor que según se dice nació en 1531 en Guadalajara y esto no puede ser ya que la primera fundación de Guadalajara (en Nochistlan) fue el 5 de enero de 1532 y duro en ese lugar hasta el 8 de agosto de 1533
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Hola a todos:
Estoy de acuerdo en lo que dice nuestro amigo Carlos Peredo, es improbable la conexión que se ha hecho de Bernardina de Mendoza con los Duques de Alba, al menos la proporcionaba en algunos sitios de Internet.
Cometí el error hace tiempo de confiar en lo establecido en los sitios de Internet pensando en que no había razón por la cual inventar parentescos o fechas pero con la experiencia te das cuenta que todo debes tener documentado para que goce de validez y es ahí cuando empiezas a dudar de información sin fuente alguna y después por mero análisis como el que ha hecho Carlos Peredo con las fechas de nacimiento de sus supuestos progenitores te das cuenta que los datos en la web son falsos.
También por mi parte he logrado desmentir otras supuestas líneas gracias una investigación rigurosa y en otros casos los nombres son correctos pero a propósito suelen cambiar las fechas como un número en un año por ejemplo: 1681 a 1687. Yo creo que en estos casos, es preferible que
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Enrique, yo seguí la misma línea de los Señores de Mocejón sin revisar bien las fechas.
Vamos a analizar estos datos:
a) Juan de Pantoja tuvo el regimiento de Michoacán en 1538. Fuente: Archivo General de Indias, Audiencia de México.
b) A Juan de Pantoja se le hace hijo de Martín, Señor de Mocejón y de Inés de Mendoza. Su hija Catalina de Pantoja fue la que casó con Álvaro de las Cuevas. Fuente: Fundadores de Nueva Galicia. Guillermo Garmendia Leal.
c) Bernardina de Mendoza, viuda de Gonzalo Núñez falleció el 22 de Febrero de 1614, fue enterrada en San Agustín y testó ante el escribano Diego Rubio. Fueron sus albaceas Diego de Zúñiga y Baltasar de la Peña. Fuente: Partidas de Entierro del Primer Libro Mixto del Archivo del S. Metropolitano de la Ciudad de Guadalajara. Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra.
Ahí tenemos un rango de dos fechas en los que podemos ubicar a nuestros personajes, Bernardina falleció en 1614 y su abuelo Juan está en Michoacán en 1538.
La partida de entierro de
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Carlos Peredo
Hola Erik, hola a todos
Creo que nos aproximamos a situar correctamente en el tiempo a Bernardina y su familia, de acuerdo a datos que expongo enseguida, coincido contigo Erik que Bernardina debió nacer por 1548 por lo siguiente:
Bernardina debió casar por 1570 (de unos 20 a 22 años) ya que su hija Catalina casó antes de 1600, digamos 1595 ya que la primer hija de ella y de Baltazar de la Peña que he localizado llamada María fue bautizada el 7-feb-1600 en Guadalajára, Mex., así que sí esta Catalina Mendoza Núñez Sotomayor casó por 1595, debió nacer por 1575.
Lo anterior es apoyado también por las fechas de nacimiento de los hijos de Luisa (la hermana de Catalina Mendoza Núñez Sotomayor) casada con diego de Zúñiga, ya que dicha boda se verificó el 25-oct-1603 en Guadalajára, Jal., por lo que Luisa debió nacer por 1583 y así sería unos 8 años menor que su hermana Catalina.
Un dato interesante lo es el que en la partida de bautizo de uno de sus hijos a Luisa se le
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Carlos Peredo
Solo como sugerencia quisiera mencionar como posible progenitor de Alvaro de la Cueva al Doctor Juan de la Cueva y Mendoza genarca de los Fernández de la Cueva de Tecolotlán según información que nos fue compartida hace algunas semanas aquí en nuestros ranchos.
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Hello Carlos,
Can you tell me more about El Docto Juan de la Cueva y Mendoza.
What post mentions him.
Thanks
R.A.Ricci
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Hello Carlos,
Can you tell me more about El Docto Juan de la Cueva y Mendoza.
What post mentions him.
Thanks
R.A.Ricci
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Carlos Peredo
El node en que se nos compartió la información sobre los Cueva de Tecolotlán es :
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/22112
Por otra parte y siguiendo en el enigma de Juan de Pantoja es posible que estemos hablando de dos muy diferentes.
Resulta que el Corregidor de Michoacan llamado así llegó -según declaró él mismo- a la Nueva España antes de la conquista acompañando a Hernán Cortés:
" ..que es vecino de Mechuacán , natural de Medellín e hijo legítimo de Pedro Pantoja y Catalina Rodríguez; y que ha veintiseis años que pasó a esta Nueva España, que fue antes que esta cibdad se ganase....fue con Cristóba Dolid a la conquista de Michuacán.....que ha trece años que es casado y tiene seis hijas y dos hijos y que se hayó en la última pacificación de la Nueva Galicia, y tiene en encomienda el pueblo de La Guacana y tiene muy poca gente..." Andariegos y Pobladores.
Sobre el anterior , Dorantes de Carranza dice que su hija María casó con Francisco Madaleno.
Por la
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Carlos Peredo
Encontré la partida del fallecimiento de una hermana de Bernardina Pantoja Mendoza; se trata de Ana DE ULLOA !!! que murió el 26-jun-1630 en donde se declara que fue hija de Álvaro de las Cuevas y de Catalina Pantoja y que dejó de albacea a Baltazar de la Peña (el yerno de Bernardina).
Entonces, Álvaro de las Cuevas sería un Ulloa? o viene por los Pantoja ?
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Hello Carlos
I believe that the line that I have descending from Gonzalo Pantoja is the correct one. It is through Gonzalo's maternal grandmother that we have Ulloa I believe that I have discovered why Garmandi Leal mixed up his line with the one that descends from the duque de Alba. There are three other connections which make Gonzalo Pantojas descendents Cousins, 2nd and 3rd cousins to to the Alvarez de Toledo family. He must have come across documents stating that they were closely related and went to the one relationship that does not I belong as our direct ancestors.
Thanks again for your work in trying to figure out this mess. I have more on Gonzalo Pantoja's ancestors and the details as to how they are closely related to the Alvarez de Toledo family but will hold off on providing this info since we need to focus on making a solid connection with each link from Catalina Pantoja to Gonzalo Pantoja.
There is a Pantoja page on the internet that has some good info on the
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Bernardina Mendoza.and Ana Ulloa may descend from Gonzalo Pantoja jr and Juana Merlo Ulloa
More research is needed to verify Juan Pantojas parents. We do not know if he is the same Juan that lists Pedro as his father.
There were many Juan, Pedro, and Gonzalo Pantojas in Mexico during the 16th century.
I found a Captain Juan Pantoja and Lord of Ixtlahuaca that accompanied Narvaez on his 1st expedition to Mexico. This Captain Juan Pantoja may be the same Captain that was killed by Vasco Porcalles' brother, surnamed Sotomayor, during another expedition.
Another Juan Pantoja went to Honduras and stayed there.
There is another named Juan de la Cueva Pantoja
There is a Gonzalo Pantoja that is the father of Jeronimo Pantoja Zuniga (aka Geronimo Zuniga)
There is a Pedro Pantoja that married into the Ovando family
Another Pantoja married into the Ribera family
R.A.Ricci
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I have been able to confirm the connection between the Ulloa family and the Pantoja family. I have found wills that show their correct lines. . Many experienced genealogists have posted articles with clear mistakes in their lineage Diego Merlo was an uncle and not an ancestor. Diego is the son of Juan Merlo el bravo. Some genealogists have erroneously stated that this Juan is the son. Constanza is the wife of Diego and not Juan. Again some make the mistake of making constanza the wife of Juan. Constanza was known under different last names but they aren't mistakes and she is the same person as she sometimes used her maternal grandmothers last name and sometimes she used her fathers surname. Diego did have two sons named Juan with one named after his paternal grandfather and another surnamed after a maternal grandfather which added to the confusion but Diego leaves a will that that clearly indicates who the different Juan's are. Diego, his father Juan, and his maternal
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I think the Merlo-Ulloa family is interesting but not related to our Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza Ulloa Pantoja who married our Gonzalo Núñez de Sotomayor, the reasons are :
The Merlo Ulloa relationship with the Pantojas of Mocejón starts around 1510 when Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero marries Juana de Merlo Ulloa y Toledo.....
At this same time Juan Pantoja Rodríguez the conqueror of Colima was marriying his first wife NN, with whom he had a son by the name of Pedro Pantoja born in Spain around 1520 who inherited la encomienda de la Huacana from his father on 1565.
It´s clear that this line of Pantojas is not related then to the Merlo-Ulloa line
Now the line of our Bernardina comes from the same Juan Pantoja Rodríguez or another one by the same name who lived around the same time and therefore was not the son of Gonzalo Pantoja and Juana Merlo.
This Juan Pantoja was born well before 1510 when Gonzalo Pantoja married Juana Merlo, because he marries María de la Peña around 1515-1520
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If the the timeline that you are you are using is correct then I agree with your reasoning. However, I disagree with your dates on Gonzalo Pantoja And Juana Merlo Ulloa. I believe that Gonzalo Pantoja and Juana Merlo Ulloa married at least two decades earlier, most likely twenty-five to thirty years earlier than you are proposing. The dates showing juana as marrying at a later date are supposing that she descended from the toledo which is in fact an error that genealogists made many years later when they were fighting for an inheritance in court. Her stepmother was a Toledo not her. Even some court documents wrongly refer to he rdescending from the Toledo in the inheritance fight. Her father, brother and herself are clearly from an earlier age than the false lines state. Her maternal grandfather and uncle left wills that show that they were from an earlier age. they had many connections with the royal court which is why they kept these wills.
Juana Merlo Ulloa had half siblings
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To Carlos Peredo
I believe that you are correct in your analysis of the date ranges for all the people you addressed in this post except for Juana Merlo Ulloa and her husband
Even though I calculated a birthdate for her of 1460, this date is closer to the latest that she was born. An strong argument can be made that her birth date is in the 1450's.. This would make her closer to 60 in 1510. This age calculation allows for at the very least one added generation, maybe even two. The calculations are based on known data regarding Juana's mother, Giuomar Ulloa, when Giuomars stepmother conceived her children and when she passed away.
Rick A Ricci
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Hello Rick
I´m really puzzled wilth this Juana Merlo and I´m guessing that there may be two different Juana Merlos in different time ranges because from what I´ve seen Juan de Merlo " El Bravo" married for his third time with Guiomar de Ulloa around 1430 and
https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=HFO3uEVyLmkC&pg=PA284&lpg=PA284&dq…
they were the parents of Diego de Ulloa born ca 1430 and Juana de Merlo Ulloa but......she must have been born around 1460 because I´ve found that she and her husband Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero founded the Mayorazgo of Benacazón on 1537 so I´m supposing that she was born around 1460, married around 1480 and when she was about 77 years old founded the said Mayorazgo!
So could she be the sister of Diego de Merlo ? sounds unlkely, because we know that Diego was Alcayde of
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Hello Carlos,
There were at least three Juanas . Our gonzalo Pantojas wife, has a maternal aunt Juana. The aunt was born after her sister Guiomar. Their father remarried soon after this first Juana was born and had more children with his second wife. The dates of the second marriage and children help date these people which is why I gave you a birthdate on our second Juana in 1450s.
I believe your analysis helps confirm that The birthdate that I gave you for this second Juana Merlo is 1450s not 1460. if her father dies like you say in 1454. Let's give her a birth date of 1450 So if Gonzalo is given a birth date approximating hers then I believe that it makes room for another generation where pedro is not his brother but their son. This would explain the Ulloa in the family line.
The third juana Merlo that you mention is most likely the cause for the confusion of the birth date on the second Juana Merlo, who was married to Gonzalo. Did Gonzalo marry two Juana Merlos ?
That
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Hello Carlos
I took a look at one of the sources that you provided. The book confirms much of what I stated regarding the errors in some court documents. The book states, just like I did, that there is a clear error, they said "tiene un error evidente" and they go on to explain what I had explained in a previous post. The mistakes that were made were used by many genealogists to come up with the false genealogies and caused much confusion regarding the birth dates of the involved individuals. These mistakes are so prevalent that I began to think that maybe I was wrong and that I should go and start over all again with this branch since so many people follow these different lines. Now that you found a source that confirms my claims, I will not start all over again. Juan Merlo is the father of Guiomar Ulloa and Diego Merlo. They also have a sister named juana and multiple half siblings. This book also confirms what I said about diego and Constanza Carillo having two sons named
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Hello Carlos
Contributing to the mixed up lines that everyone has is the following information:
Juan Merlo el Bravo and Guiomar Ulloa Yanez (born about 1430)
Daughter
Juana Merlo Ulloa (born about 1450 and Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero
Juan Merlo also marries Isabel Alvarez de Toledo
Juan Merlo who is el bravo and Guiomar Ulloa Yanez are also the parents of
Diego Merlo Ulloa and he is married to Constanza Carillo and they are the parents of two Juan's:
Juan Merlo and Juan Carillo ( full brothers)
One of these Juan's is the father of
Diego Merlo who is married to another Isabel Alvarez Toledo
Who it seems have two daughters ,
One named Juana Merlo and another named Isabel Alvarez Toledo (named after her mother)
So we have three Juana's in the family, one Juana Ulloa and two Juana Merlos
And three isabel Alvarez de Toledo
And numerous Juan Merlos, including the set of brothers named Juan but with different surnames.
And at least two Diego Merlos
At least two Gonzalo
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Hello Carlos
You wrote:
The Merlo Ulloa relationship with the Pantojas of Mocejón starts around 1510 when Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero marries Juana de Merlo Ulloa y Toledo.....
But Juana Merlo Ulloa and Juana Merlo Toledo are different people. The first Juana was Gonzalo Pantojas wife and a great aunt to Juana Merlo Toledo. If Gonzalo did marry a second Juana Merlo, it was most likely this great niece and that would explain the confusion and conflicting timelines. This may also explain the conflicting information regarding Juana Merlos parents.
The marriage to a Juana Merlo toledo could have occurred in 1514 just like you claim.
Our line of descent that you and I both share comes from Juana Merlo Ulloa.
If Gonzalo did remarry in 1514 then all documents after this must have contributed to the mistakes in the family tree as this second Juana Merlo (Juana Merlo Toledo) did descend from diego Merlo Ulloa (he was her grandfather and brother to Juana Merlo Ulloa)
If gonzalo
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Hello and thank you Carlos,
I continued researching using the resources you provided. The sources you provide confirm that Guiomar Ulloa was the third and last wife of Juan merlo, confirming my earlier research that she survived him. My earlier research identified her as a widow and favorite of the Queen. I became unsure of this info because the court document that erroneously implied that the second wife was the last wife. She had to be the last wife if she is the same Guiomar Ulloa that is the queens favorite.
I believe that the resources that you provided support the Pantoja Merlo family tree that I have presented in these posts.
One of the books is down the street from me at UCLA.
Thanks again,
Rick A Ricci
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There is conflicting information as to the name of Martim Alfonso de Merlos wife, the parents of Juan Merlo el Bravo. One of the sources that Carlos provided claims her name is Leonor Acuña and a couple of pages later claims that it is teresa Acuña. Leonor and Teresa Acuña are sisters. Leonor is identified as being married twice having to two other men in another other source.
Further research identifies Leonor as a very busy bride. It seems that she had multiple marriages, her husbands kept dying. According to Luis de Salazar y Castro, Leonor is the sister that was a wife of Martim Alfonso de Merlo, Sr de Valdenebro
Juan Merlo el bravo had a sister, Catalina de Merlo, that married into another very prominent family that had many business ties with the Spanish King, just like juan Merlo's father in law. All of their lives revolved around the King and or Queen.
Many Gonzalo Pantojas identified themselves as Gonzalo Pantoja Portocerrero. The first or earliest one was
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The last testament and will of Diego Merlo and other primary sources support the conclusions of my research on this family. The problem is that many genealogists in the 1600s and 1700s had already mixed up the members of this family and wrote incorrect genealogies in their books.
Juana Merlo is the daughter of Juan Merlo "el Bravo" and Guiomar Ulloa Yanez. She is not the same Juana Merlo that is the daughter of the Juan Merlo Toledo, son of Diego Merlo, Guiomars brother. This second Juan Merlo is married to an Alvarez Toledo, the same surname of his mother which adds to the confusion.
Juan Merlo El Bravo is one of the only, maybe the only foreign knight, acknowledged to win in tournaments in Germany during this time. Juan went to Germany and challenged the Germans stating he was the best. Then he proved it when they took him up on the challenge.
Juan Merlo el Bravo and Guiomar Ulloa Yanez (born about 1430)
Juana Merlo Ulloa (born about 1450 and Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero
Pedro
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Bernardino hurtado de Mendoza Pantoja s ancestor, the famous knight, Juan Merlo, who descends mainly from. " Christiano Viejos" also descends from a third cousin of the Prophet Mohammed. This ancestor, besides being Mohammed's third cousin is the brother to the mother of one of Mohammed's wives.
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Hello Carlos
Great work finding juan Pantoja son of Pedro Pantoja and Catalina Rodriguez. I believe that we are on the right track and will solve this puzzle soon. We have made great progress in these few days. Fortunately, I found a couple of sources that should help us solve, or at least add a couple more pieces to this puzzle. Unfortunately, I won't be able to travel and get these books until after the school year ends in June so we have at least a month until I open up and see these prizes. I was able to see a line from one of these books and I can already tell you that this book will reveal some information. The bad news is that I can only see the second half of the sentence so I don't know all the info. Luckily I can tell from the second half of the sentence that it will provide us with some valuable information.
Many good genealogists have stumbled with the Merlo (Melo) /Suarez-Alvarez Toledo Ulloa line associated withe the Pantoja family. They screwed up because there are
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Dear Mr. Ricci and other Members,
As far as whether Dr. Juan de la Cueva y Mendoza may have been an ancestor to Bernardina de Mendoza I simply don't know. I know from her from this thread.
The thread that mentions Dr. Juan de la Cueva-Mendoza y González is one I started on 28 Feb 2014 and I called it "Origen de Beltrán de la Cueva: Re-encontré la conexión a España!" Unfortunately I have only limited info on Dr. Juan de la Cueva-Mendoza y González, and what I have I found in Gabriel Agraz García de Alba's article "Origen y Desenvolvimiento de la Familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán" published in Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica, México DF, 1952, p. 56.
I quote Mr. Agraz here:
"Décimosegundo nieto, Doctor Juan de la Cueva Mendoza y González, natural de la ciudad de Úbeda, donde fué regidor y Dña. Inés de Castro, de la antigua y noble familia de los 'Fernández de Castro.'"
In English this says that Juan de la Cueva Mendoza y González was from the city of Ubeda
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I forgot to mention who Dr. Juan de la Cueva's parents were.
Per Mr. Gabriel Agraz Garcia de Alba's work, Dr. Juan de la Cueva was the son of Diego de la Cueva y Mendoza and of Maria Gonzalez. Diego was son of Ruy Perez de la Cueva and of Sancha de Mendoza. This is where the Mendoza name comes in.
As you can see in the post of 28 Feb there was some debate as to how Ruy came into the picture. But Sancha de Mendoza was of the Hurtado de Mendoza line. Ruy and Sancha probably lived during the 1400s, probably the earlier half of the century.
This is from "Origen y Desenvolvimiento de la Familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán" published in Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica, México DF, 1952, p. 56.
Sergio Salés
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Great work Sergio,
Ruy Perez de la Cueva is the son of Gil Martinez de la Cueva and Blanca Fernandez de la Cueva. Ruys parents are second cousins. These two parents have been mistaken for uncle and niece instead of second cousins.
Many genealogists present a different family tree then the one that I am presenting here. The reason for the different lines is that there are three Diego Fernandez de la Cueva, all closely related. I will present the three with roman numerals I, II, & III to keep them straight. What makes this line even more confusing is that there are two Gil Martinez de la Cueva. They have two different titles which differentiates them. One Gil is Blanca's father and the other Gil is her husband. There are also two wives surnamed Alfonso de Mercado.
On Wikipedia they have Beltran de la Cueva as the son of one of Diego Fernandez de la Cueva III primer Visconde de Huelma and the wife of Juan Fernandez de la Cueva, Maria Alfonso de Mercado, so one of us is wrong. I don
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Hola Carlos,
Me parece muy lógica la relación que haces de los Pantoja y me alegra que mencionaras a los Ulloa. Francamente no tengo idea de dónde salió ese apellido. La sugerencia del Doctor Juan de la Cueva y Mendoza también me parece de mucho interés, de los otros de la Cueva que mencioné lo único de interés es el nombre de Bernardina y la ascendencia Mendoza pero aún así y sin mayores documentos que prueben el enlace con Álvaro de la Cueva, no es una pista fuerte ya que no hay evidencia que pasaran a Indias.
Habrá que tener en consideración la descendencia y parentescos del Doctor Juan de la Cueva.
Saludos,
Erik R.
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Giuomar Ulloa esta casada con Juan Merlo
Guiomar is the third and last wife of Juan Merlo, most genealogies posted on the internet do not list her as Juana's mother.
The family knows that they are connected to the Toledos so they assume that the second is the mother of Juana. but in court documents that dealt with a dispute over property inheritances there is a mistake made and Genealogist read this mistake and ran with it. The court documents make what At least one other mistake where they list Juan's two wives as sisters. documents show that Diego Merlo And juana are Guiomars biological children. The actual connections of the Pantoja and the Alvarez Toledo family are many. The Alvarez Toledo family married often into different branches of the armildez family. The three branches are the Lopez de Ayala, Pantoja,
Post Script
In her life, Guiomar was a very privileged woman who had the highest standing in the royal court of the Catholic kings. If Queen Isabella left the court
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Mario González my Spanish is bad but I have seen a family tree that shows Luis Hurtado de Mendoza Guzman is Bernardina Mendoza 3rd great grandfather as demonstrated below.
Luis Hurtado de Mendoza Guzmán & Inés Toledo
Next generation
Inés Mendoza & Martín Pantoja
Next generation
Juan Pantoja & María Peña
Next generation
Catalina Pantoja & Alonso Cuevas
Next generation
Bernardina Mendoza 1533-1614 married 1554 Gonzalo Núñez de Sotomayor 1531-†
The tree said Un proyecto desarrollado desde el Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas de la Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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Carlos Peredo
Hello rmcneal,
We are currently discussing this line in the following node : http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/19810
And as you will see there´s a lot of "information" on the net that is at best misleading.
The "information" that you found in that Proyecto of the UNAM is unsustainable because
Luis Hurtado Mendoza Guzmán Suárez de Toledo nació por 1515 y fue primogénito de la Casa de Orgáz y casó ca 1535 con Inés Álvarez de Toledo, ellos tuvieron a :
Inés Toledo y Hurtado de Mendoza nacida ca 1550 (hermana del 6º Conde de Orgáz), la cual casó ca 1570 con Martín de Pantoja Portocarrero 11º Sr de Mocejón; esta pareja tuvo a :
Luis Pantoja Portocarrero Hurtado de Mendoza, quien nació ca 1570 y testó el 15-oct-1608 en Toledo, el fue 12º Sr. de Mocejón y Benacasón y casó el 12-feb-1597 con Sancha Silva Guzmán (quien murió en 1649),ella al parecer ya viuda dió poder en 1620 a su hijo Martín Pantoja Portocarrero 13o Sr de Mocejón bautizado el 19-sep-1600.
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Carlos, Thank you. I posted that information in 2012 hoping to discover if it was good information or not. Your response and information was worth waiting for. I appreciate it.
Randy McNeal
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Carlos, thanks again after reading your response I started looking for more information and I found a little more in some snippets I was able to pull from, "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia": Guadalajara - Volume 1 - Page 43 and 64. The snippets didn't give me the parents of Benardina Mendoza but it does say, if I am reading it correctly that Martín Pantoja and Ines Mendoza had a son Juan married to Maria de la Pena (on the same page which I can't see all of it mentions Catalina Mendoza. I am hoping somewhere on that page it lists her parents). The closest library to me with this volume is 175 miles away but I will try to get there with in the next couple of weeks to research further and maybe find some source to back up what I am able to find in the book.
Fundadores de Nueva Galicia": Guadalajara - Volume 1 - Page 43
Cuebas, Alvaro de los (hizo testamento el 28 Enero 1590), ceccino de Guadlajara, reino de Castilla, cassado con Catalina de Pantoja hija de Juan de Pantoja y de Maria de
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The Pantoja surname was originally Hermildez or Armildes.
Garci Gonzalez Pantoja and Mencia Daza are the parents of
Tello Pantoja, Martin Pantoja, and Gutierre Gonzalez Pantoja
Our line continues with Tello Pantoja Sr. de dehesa de Vanegas
Tello Pantoja is married to Aldonza de Monroy (daughter of Estevan Rodriguez de Monroy and Maria de Guzman.) (Another source names Tellos maternal grandparents as Alvar Rodriguez de Monroy and Maria Guzman).
Son:
Gonzalo Pantoja, "el Mayor" born abt 1445, Sr de Mocejon, Regidor de Toledo, Guarda, y Vassallo del Rey is married abt 1465 to Elvira Portocerrero, Sra de Bencezon y Mocezon (daughter of Fernando Portocerrero and Maria de Guzman). Elvira was the one who inherited the title Sra. De Mocezon after her brothers died. She was the tenth Sra de Mocezon, and had children in the 1470's. the children and grandchildren may have earlier birthdates than we have seen in these posts which could allow the additional generation that we are struggling
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Carlos Peredo
Como aquí se ha comentado, respecto a la ascendencia de Bernardina de Mendoza hay en la red varios "arboles" genealógicos que la hacen descender de Martín de Pantoja e Inés de Toledo, creo que todos ellos partieron de la "información" proporcionada por Garmendia Leal en su trabajo de "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia", así que creo que eso disculpa a todos aquellos que subieron a la red esos "árboles genealógicos", sin embargo, aunque lo haya publicado un estudioso de prestigio, no necesariamente lo así publicado es verídico.
En el presente caso creo que precisamente por haber sido publicado por alguien de prestigio se formó un embrollo que no se solucionó por no cuestionar siquiera que lo publicado fuera erroneo.
Puedo afirmar , con los datos que he podido verificar, que es imposible que Bernardina sea bisnieta del Martín Pantoja que casó con Inés de Toledo la hermana del Conde de Orgáz relacionada con los Duques de Alba.
We know so far that our Bernardina was the
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Hello Carlos,
I agree with you that Garmendia Leal is wrong. Bernardina Mendoza may not descend from the dukes of Alba but she is their cousin. I have found proof that Gonzalo's great great grandmother is also the ancestor to the dukes of Alba. I have also found another link to the mendoza family.
The next step though is to see where Garmendia Leal got all of his information and to try to get it right.
We have evidence that she descends from the Pantoja line, and the Ulloa link has been found, so now we need to solidify the connections and study the alfonso Cuevas mendoza line. The connection that I made with the Merlo family makes this family high nobility, true aristocrats, not just nobility. It would be nice to get in contact with Luz Montejano and show her what we have found so far.
Keep up the excellent work.
R A Ricci
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