Hola Susana,

The link that Danny provided appears overwhelming, but it has a lot of good info. Here it is again, for your convenience: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22972

Read my post from 28 May 2015; in the last paragraph, I include another clue supporting that Cristobal Lozano and Francisco Martinez Gonzalez were brothers.

Otherwise, from documents we’ve seen, we know only that Benito de la Isla had 3 daughters: Maria de Islas y Moctezuma, Magdalena de Lavezaris, and their mestiza half-sister, Maria de Islas.

I’ve seen nothing linking Benito de la Isla cc Juana Navarro to this family, other than the the corresponding name & surname. Nor have we seen anything linking Maria de Isla cc Cristobal Lozano to this family (along with her supposed sister, Petrona). The surname “Isla/s” was used by various individuals and families throughout Colonial Mexico, and it’s hard to determine whether there are any links. Everything is still speculation, at this point.

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Alex

I'm not opposed to the idea of two Benito de Isla's. I've just never seen an actual document that definitely says that there are two and I think the dates still work fine with just one Benito de Isla. If you figure that Benito de Isla was fairly young when he came over in 1557, which would make sense since he's listed as the servant of his uncle Guido de Lavezares, then he was probably born sometime around 1540. There's no issue with him being alive and having kids in the 1580s or even 1600s, that is of course if he didn't die before 1573. But, there's no way that Maria de Isla y Moctezuma or Magdalena de Lavezares were born prior to 1573, so their Benito de Isla was definitely alive well after 1573. Also since Juana Navarro has come up I also think that she's the wife of Benito de Isla and most like the mother of Maria de Isla y Moctezuma and probably Magdalena de Lavezares. Jaime Holcombe names her as the wife of Benito de Isla and her specific date of death and even her

Hi Susana,

I too descend from this couple and I'm confused by a couple of your statements. I'm familiar with the dispensa you refer to, but I'm unsure of what you're stating it's proof of. You tend to make definitive sounding statements and then offer very little in the way of actual proof. I can tell you I too am not sure who the parents of Maria de Isla married to Cristoval Lozano are either, but suggesting that Luisa de Isla, daughter of Maria de Isla, hija bastarda de Benito de Isla, most likely lived in Nochistlán and Maria de Isla, wife of Cristobal Martinez Lozano lived in Aguascalientes is rather unusual proof of anything. Are you suggesting that a child can't live in a different city from their parents? That's rather odd. Then you offer the statement, "Maria de isla and Christoval Lozano didn't have a daughter named Luisa de Isla." Are you saying you're not aware of a child named Luisa or that they definitely didn't have a daughter named Luisa?

I re-read the letters of Jaime Holcombe too and you have to remember that there are errors in even the best genealogical works.

So here's a question that maybe Chris or Manny or Alex can answer. In Holcombe's letters there's this passage about Nicolasa Ruiz de Esparza, daughter of Luisa Ruiz de Esparza who is the daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana "Maria" Lozano:

“Y la pretensa (Nicolasa Ruiz de Esparza) es mestiza porque su padre es mestizo y su madre es casi india.” If Luisa de Esparza was “almost an Indian,” why, that takes back to her Grandparents, Lópe Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca de Gabay y Moctezuma; Cristóbal Martínez Lozano and María González de Islas. One of the witnesses was her Grandfather, Pedro Ruiz de Esparza y Gabay, married 2) Margarita González..."

So, Jaime Holcombe has Cristobal Martin Lozano and Maria de Islas as the parents of Juana "Maria" Lozano and obviously Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca de Gabay y Moctezuma are the parents of Pedro Ruiz de