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Sophia,
I have the wife of Cristobal Gutierrez-de-Mendoza (abt. 1659) as Maria Gutierrez-de-Laris (abt. 1663). I show he died on 24 Mar 1718. Is this the same person? Have I made a mistake in my Tree?

Eloise Gomez Reyes

You said "the rest is just what the royals except the genealogy". I don't understand that sentence. The "rest" is what?

I am interested in your message because my husband has Ornelas in his ancestry. Who are your Ornelas after the one born in Lagos de Moreno in 1567? Do you have a straight unbroken line from then until the late 1700s? I have traced my husband's Ornelas back to a Jph. Benito de Ornelas who was born in San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco in 1759. His parents were Jose de Ornelas and Maria Gusman or Maria de los Dolores Martin. Jose Benito married Ma. Ylaria Villalobos in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco on Jan 16 1790. She was born in 1737 in Ayo el Chico. Did any of your Ornelas end up in Lagos, Encarnacion or Ayo el Chico?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] How do you get evidence for Noble/royal lines?

Diana & Ramon

Merry Christmas

Carlos & Nancy Yturralde

---- patricia burton wrote:
> Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008
>
> Dear Group--
>
> Many years ago when I was an active part of SHHAR in Orange, California, I was given a poster which was about Don Martin Casillas--
> Architect/ Alarife of the cathedrals Puebla de Los Angeles, Mexico City and Guadalajara. Listed as his some of his descendants were the following seven SHHAR members; Tony Campos and his wife Clarisa Vega, Ramon Godinez, George Herrera, Ophelia Marquez, Mary Lou Montagna, and Lillian Wold.
>
> There were pictures of two cathedrals and various people. In the center was a large picture of Don Martin Casillas. We were told later that the picture was actually that of Miguel de Cervantes, the writer of Don Quixote. Ha-ha-ha, what a laugh we got from that.
>
>
> Here is more from the poster which was given to me by Lillian RAMOS Wold:
>
> Don Martin CASILLAS was born in Almendralejo, Extremadura, Spain about

Estimado Eduardo:
 
Tendras informacion de Elena Cueto Diaz nacio en Sayula, Jalisco en 1888 estuvo casada con Manuel C. Michel Zamora ;se que era hija de Francisco Cueto Vale y Maria Diaz Gonzalez, me gustaría saber si tienes informacion sobre hermanos, ancestros de ella,
 
Saludos
 
Jorge A. Michel

--- El lun 9-feb-09, Eduardo H Seoane escribió:

De:: Eduardo H Seoane
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Quieren Ayuda a encontrar sus antepasados? Do you want help in finding your ancestors?
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 9 febrero, 2009, 10:48 pm

Si quieren tener mejores resultados, simplemente pongan más datos. No se
limiten a nada mas poner los dos apellidos que buscan. Pongan información de
familiares: hermanos, cónyuge(s), hijos, etc.... ¿Cual es el primer nombre?
¿Cuando nació, se caso, murió- en que fecha, y lugar y mas importante por que
cree eso? Personas no siempre utilizan los dos apellidos, a veces utilizan el
de la madre, ciertas familias utilizan el

Estoy buscando el apellido CUETO DIAZ que al parecer tiene origenes en Sayula, Jalisco.
Alguien tiene datos sobre este apellido?
Gracias

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Estoy buscando el apellido GOMEZ ACEVES que al parecer tiene origenes en los
Altos de Jalisco.
Alguien tiene datos sobre este apellido?
Gracias

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Let me know how I can help...I have some free time coming up.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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the pilot site:
Click on to the record
just above your grand mothers name - click "copy to clip board"
then click ok.
I then open my word program
under "file" I click "paste"
and there appears your file.
 
If you need further assistance, contact me directly and I can
take you through the steps in detail.
Lots of luck in your research.
Helyn
San Jose, CA
 

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Esther wrote:

I was hoping someone might be able to help me with this: I searched the pilot
program and found my grandma, Maria del Carmen Ornelas, b 28 Nov 1900, Jesus,
Guadalajara, Jalisco.  Her father, Doroteo Ornelas and mother, Rosa Cortez. The
film #1106706 and batch # is C01861-3.  The record is only for view at this
time. 

Does anyone know if there is a way to get a copy of her birth record?  Or
maybe it is only in extraction format and not ready for realease?  I could
order the film but it takes forever. 
 

Esther ya buscaste en el Censo Federal de México de 1930? Esta en el
internet, en Piolot.FamilySearch.Org , no
te lo recomiendo al menos que sepas aproximadamente adonde vivían tus
parientes cuando se tomo el Censo. El censo te va a decir, el nombre,
la edad, si es, soltera, casada por lo civil, casada por le iglesia, viuda,
viviendo en unión libre, divorciada, etc... Lo mejor es que te va a ayudar
para que sepas adonde no buscar. Por ejemplo, si esta viviendo en unión
libre entonces para que buscar en el registro civil o parroquial. Lo único
que a lo mejor encuentras en esos registros son los hijos; bajo este
ejemplo. Si esta casada por lo civil y o por la iglesia entonces con las
edades de los hijos te puedes aproximar a la fecha de su boda y encontrar
los registros de los niños.

Otra cosa que puedes encontrar ahí son los padres de ella si aun viven.
Tendrían aproximadamente, unos cincuenta a setenta años. Lo bueno es que te
da la edad y su estado civil, y otra cosa que no

I can get you a copy of that record on Monday :•)

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Esther wrote:

> I was hoping someone might be able to help me with this: I searched the
> pilot program and found my grandma, Maria del Carmen Ornelas, b 28 Nov 1900,
> Jesus, Guadalajara, Jalisco. Her father, Doroteo Ornelas and mother, Rosa
> Cortez. The film #1106706 and batch # is C01861-3. The record is only for
> view at this time.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way to get a copy of her birth record? Or
> maybe it is only in extraction format and not ready for realease? I could
> order the film but it takes forever.
>
> Doroteo Ornelas came from Guanajuato and Rosa Cortez de Leon from Santa
> Cruz de Astilleros. I cannot find Santa Cruz de Astilleros by Guadalajara.
> Could it have changed names later? If any one can help me I would be most
> greatful.
>
> Escribanme si necesitan traduccion. Gracias. Esther Jordan (Lopez)

Gracias por la informacion.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: John Inclan
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Datos de Felix

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
Search Results | Download | Print

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JOSE YLARO. FELIS Pedigree
Male Family

________________________________
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

________________________________
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA TEODOCIA FLORES Family
Marriage: 10 JAN 1835 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico

Carlos,
I would be interested in the book, I love books

Carlos,
A mi me interesaria mucho este libro, los libros valen mas que el oro.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: "cyturralde@cox.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 3:56:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cronica de la Provincia de Santiago de Xalisco

For those who might be interested we have one copy of : Cronica de la Provincia de Santiago de Xalisco, Escrita por Fr. Nicolas Antonio de Ornelas Mendoza y Valdivia. Pulished in 1952 by Instituto Jalisciense de Antropologia E Historia. The price of the book is $46.00, which includes US shipping costs. The book is in good condition, but has light spot on face and the front edge of book has darkened. Inside page have some yellowing, but are clean.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

Aquí está el enlace:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#p=0

Nada mas haz clic en el mapa de México y vete al final de la pagina y haz clic en el enlace de nombre, México, Aguascalientes, Catholic Church Records, 1616-1961

Here is the link:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#p=0

Just click on the map of México and scroll all the way to the bottom of the page and click on the link titled, México, Aguascalientes, Catholic Church Records, 1616-1961

Thank You! I am very happy to hear this, I am going to the website NOW! Most of my ancestors came from Aguas and Los Altos and Zacatecas Valles, I just call all of them Nueva Galicia or Los Altos all in general eventhough usually Los Altos usually refers to Jalisco but include the Alteño family of Zacatecas, Aguas Gto. and Michoacán. This is wonderful, I can acutally view entire films at home now to a specific place of my research, it would be conveniant for matching names and recordsbut this is a start! It can also svae me money from ordering films for Aguas. I think for all of us doing Aguas research take advantage of this great opportunity! -Daniel Camino
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Should there be anyone who would like to purchase a copy of Los Senores de Zacatecas, we have one available.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- mcortez wrote:
> Just a note to inform everyone that the book has been sold. Thanks to all
> who expressed an interest.
>
> Maria Cortez

As many of you probably already know there are XIV edited volumes of the "Pasajeros a indias" that deal with those who emigrated to "las Indias" between the years 1509 and 1701 these books are available for purchase from the "Archivo General de Indias". I looked up the cost of the last seven and they run about 135 Euros a peace. I found an excellent blog that tells how you can access the information in the books online. I have actually been using the website that is referred in the blog for quite some time. It is called, here is the URL: Pares.mcu.es and it is a tremendous treasure-trove of information.
the URL for the blog article is:
http://genealogiablog.blogspot.com/2008/06/pasajeros-indias-un-viaje-de…
good luck with your searching!

Esperanza,

Thank so much for the information on robados. The family lore has discussed the class conflict between this two lines of the family. You have clarified this wonderfully.

As for the change of town names, this is surely not the case here. Sierra de Pinos is the established name.

I guess I need to go back to PInos and not be so shy about asking questions. I visited in 1997.

Now my husband and I are retired but in the last 12 years I have new responsibilities and limitations, nine grandchildren of which we babysit 3. Now I have to schedule around them.

SOCAL

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

Patricia,

An extraction from the "dispensa matrimonial" archived at the "Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" can be found in Luz Montejano's book "Sagrada Mitra...". The original document consists of 12 sheets (12 fojas). The extraction reads as follows:

"Villanueva, Zac. Agosto 19 de 1700. Exp. 253.- Demanda de Promesa de Casamiento, e Información Matrimonial.- En Villa Gutierre del Aguila, se levantó la información de Agueda de Estrada, española, de 20 años de edad, vecina de Villa Gutierre del Aguila, feligresía de Santiago Xalpam, hija legítima de Leonor de Villagrán y de Hipólito de Estrada, difunto; contra Feliphe Alonso, español de 26 años de edad, soltero, originario de la Villa de Aguascalientes, vecino de esta feligresía, hijo legítimo de Joseph Alonso, ya difunto y de Theresa Ruiz de Esparza, vecina de dicha villa; por haberle dado su palabra de casamiento y tenido una hija y no haberle cumplido. Declaración del pretenso: Que el no haber puesto en ejecución

If your asking about the connection of Felipe and Pedro Alonso not sure, but he should be a grandchild

Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos was the patriarch was he not? through microfilm Ive seen, maybe Bill can

elaborate? -Daniel P.S. I can type the actual full dispensa if anyone wants it.
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Sure Patricia! I used María Luz Montejano Hilton's "Sagrada Mitra de la Guadalajara"

The "Dispensa" took place August 19 1700, for Felipe Alonso de los Hinojos y Agueda

de Estrada is on page 561 and entry # 2186 it should state the place as Villanueva,

Zac. If you want it on film I guess it's this where it says rollo 168358 OAH 264 pt. 2

Matrimonios Hojas Sueltas, 1636-1707, 2da serie. 19 de agosto de 1700. The reason

for the dispensa was because Felipe and Agueda were 2nd cousins 1 removed

both descending from Lope Ruiz de Esparza: Here is the chart

Lope Ruiz de Esparza

Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza María Ruiz de Esparza

Teresa Ruiz de Esparza Josepha Márquez de Ulloa

Felipe Alonso de los Hinojos Leonor de Villagrán y Ulloa
(pretenso)
Agueda de Estrada (pretensa)
(prob. y Bocanegra but need to look