Communication I had with Colotlan Yahoo Group





Emilie Garcia wrote:

So what did she say, Joseph?  Will she send you tapes or
snippets of their programming for your podcasts?

boy am I hoping she will but she hasn't written back yet. I just sent
off the email to her yesterday. I'm hoping she is going to take my
proposition to other decision makers in the group to consider the
proposal.

  That would be great if you can connect.  I can understand
quite a bit of Spanish, but can't think on my feet fast enough to speak
it.  At least you give it a go, you are not shy.

I will try. . .if i can't get those that are fluent to help me
interview in Spanish I'll do it, but people should be forwarned it will
be like a 5 year old speaking to a grown up. let's see what happens. .
.maybe good things will come about and we can find talents bilingual
folks volunteering sometime soon.



thanks for your compliments and support. . .su abrazo recibido y otro a
tigo tambien



joseph

  Nothing ventured nothing

Communication I had with Colotlan Yahoo Group

So what did she say, Joseph?  Will she send you tapes or snippets of
their programming for your podcasts?  That would be great if you can
connect.  I can understand quite a bit of Spanish, but can't think on my
feet fast enough to speak it.  At least you give it a go, you are not
shy.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.  I am sure they appreciate your
efforts to speak the language, and only the really mean people there will
criticize your not having a full grasp of el Castellan.  That is why I said
that you deserve a lot of credit for what you do.  You keep coming up with
so many ways to get information for us.  I send you un abrazo fuerte. 
We all help others as you told me to continue doing, but we don't all have your
talents in finding resources.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:37
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Communication I had
with Colotlan Yahoo

El Salitrillo, Zacatecas

Oh, thanks, Victor,
 
My ancestors must have been living in the Salitrillo that was in the
municipality of Tepetongo, partido de Jerez, since my father was born in
Jerez.  What is a partido?  I thought Jerez was a municipality,
no?
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA  ----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:50
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: El Salitrillo,
Zacatecas

Hello Emilie,

Have you read the description of
Salitrillo in the "Diccionario
Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los
Estados Unidos Mexicanos."

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Salitrillo.
5 ranchos del Estado de Zacatecas: Uno del partido de
Fresnillo,
municipalidad de Valparaíso. - Dos del partido de Jerez,
municipalidad de
Tepetongo. - Otro del partido de Nochixtlán,
municipalidad de Toyahua. -
Otro del partido de Villanueva,
municipalidad de Jalpa.

The
coordinates that you found are

Help With Questions

Joseph, 

How about asking if there are official Bracero Program statistics 
from the early 1900s?  I'm sure there must be something because every 
worker was issued an ID card. 
http://www.farmworkers.org/bracero/braceric.GIF

Also, I recommend anyone interested in the subject from a general 
perspective to take a look at the following publication at the 
University of Texas (in Spanish):

http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/uscir/binpapers/v2b-6bustamante.pdf

Here's a quote:

Areas de origen en México

Tres entidades han sido clasificadas consistentemente en los primeros 
lugares como proveedoras de migrantes: Jalisco, Michoacán y 
Guanajuato. A ellas se agregaron Chihuahua, Durango y Zacatecas.
Gamio señalaba en 1930 que el 54.3% de los migrantes mexicanos 
provenía de esos tres estados del centro-occidente de México 
(Michoacán, Guanajuato y Jalisco), siguiéndolos en importancia Nuevo 
León, Durango y el D.F. (Gamio, 1930) (ver Cuadro 1).

It also includes the destination places for most of

Help With Questions


okay some have problems with finding out the "Where" in Mexico they came
from. I want to eventually get interviews with people in INS and Social
Security and other gov't offices to see what information is freely open
to the public that might give clues on where in Mexico people came from.


Can you all email me directly with your thoughts on what questions can
be asked of people high up in these organizations. I'd like to go
prepared and can only think of these questions:


1) With regards to the freedom of information act what info is available
to the general public in (their organization).


2) On the records that are available what kind of information is usually
collected?


3) What time periods did these records cover?

4) What preliminary work can the information seeker perform to
facilitate the look up of records?


5) Are there specific forms that need to be used for information request?

6) Are there costs involved with requesting records? And if so what are
they?



  

Ax List: First Notice - doi: January 31, 2006--happy new year!



Happy New Year. . .as is the tradition I'm going to start 2006 off
right. You all probably know that I run a tight ship when it comes to
the very basics of this group and the rediculously easy two
requirements: 1) do you own work and 2) Submit a representative tree to
the group from our target area.

                                                         [no
gedcoms or living individuals in the tree].





Well periodically I send out my Ax list. The Ax list is those folks
that have joined but haven't submitted their genealogies. For the first
few notices I don't get specific I figure you know who you are so let
it be just a notice. Later I'll get specific and as the "Ax Day"
(January 31, 2006)  draws near you will definitely know you are about
to be cut from the list.



Big Secret: If you want to be
spared the Ax please communicate with me (makas@...). . .thats
right just toss me an email and say, "Orale Chavo,  let me tell you
whats going on with me. I am swamped and need more

El Salitrillo, Zacatecas

Hello Emilie,

Have you read the description of Salitrillo in the "Diccionario
Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos."

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Salitrillo. 5 ranchos del Estado de Zacatecas: Uno del partido de
Fresnillo, municipalidad de Valparaíso. - Dos del partido de Jerez,
municipalidad de Tepetongo. - Otro del partido de Nochixtlán,
municipalidad de Toyahua. - Otro del partido de Villanueva,
municipalidad de Jalpa.

The coordinates that you found are completely in a different area of
Zacatecas, right in the border of Coahuila.

Victor.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Hello, all,
> 
> I have recently discovered more generations on my father's side. 
They include the surnames Tinajero, Olague, Valdez, Feliz, Flores,
Suriano, Salasar, Munos, Lucio, Vasquez, Garcia, Quijas, Banegas,
Escobedo and possibly Mata.  Most of these were baptized or married in
Tepetongo, Zacatecas

El Salitrillo, Zacatecas





Emilie Garcia wrote:


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Yes, Joseph,
 
We might be related,

time will tell.


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  Thanks for all you do.  You have added a new dimension to this
hobby for Hispanics that did not exist before.  I nominate you for
something----Webmaster of the Year, what say you all?

thanks but don't go doing that, just return any benefit you have gained
by always being willing to help those that might not ever be able to
help you, but tell them to keep the loop going and when they are ready
to one day help someone that needs their help.



aim to give a little more than you take,



joseph


El Salitrillo, Zacatecas

Yes, Joseph,
 
We might be related, and/or your ancestors were close neighbors and friends
of my ancestors.  I see your surnames among the marriages of the collateral
lines (marriages of my ancestors' children that I do not descend from) in my
tree, or they were padrinos for each others' children.  The place name was
sometimes abbreviated to el Salto., I think (in the baptismal records I reviewed
recently at the local FHC).
 
Oh, by the way, I finally found how to download your podcasts.  I read
an article in the newspaper about podcasts, and it suggested downloading some
programs called "receivers".  I found a small one called ppr.exe at
primetimepodcast.com.  After I installed the receiver, I selected two of
your podcasts and the computer brought up the Download Manager, which I did not
know about, and I could actually see the podcast downloading after selecting it
from your NuestrosRanchos.net and that other new site you have.  It takes
approximately 45 minutes to

El Salitrillo, Zacatecas

Betcha I'm related to you, BUT it may take years to find out.as none of
my surnames match your surnames from the same location. Actually I
suspect that El Salitral and El Salitrillo were one in the same place
but that is just a hunch. Santa Maria, Espinoza, Nava, Miranda, Ortiz,
Lugo, Torre, Garcia,



If they are not the same place then somewhere close to each other
because some children were born in one Rancho and some in the other.



joseph





Emilie Garcia wrote:

Hello, all,
 
I have recently discovered more generations on my father's
side.  They include the surnames Tinajero, Olague, Valdez, Feliz,
Flores, Suriano, Salasar, Munos, Lucio, Vasquez, Garcia, Quijas,
Banegas, Escobedo and possibly Mata.  Most of these were baptized or
married in Tepetongo, Zacatecas, but they lived in a community called
El Salitrillo in the early 1700's to the late 1800's.  Does anyone else
have any connection to these families from this location?  Both the men
and the women used

El Salitrillo, Zacatecas

Hello, all,
 
I have recently discovered more generations on my father's side.  They
include the surnames Tinajero, Olague, Valdez, Feliz, Flores, Suriano, Salasar,
Munos, Lucio, Vasquez, Garcia, Quijas, Banegas, Escobedo and possibly
Mata.  Most of these were baptized or married in Tepetongo, Zacatecas, but
they lived in a community called El Salitrillo in the early 1700's to
the late 1800's.  Does anyone else have any connection to these
families from this location?  Both the men and the women used various
surnames, but my research has proved that they are one and the same. For
example, my great-grandmother Rafaela used the surnames Tinajero, Flores, Felix,
or Suriano.  Her father Hilario (Ylario) used the surnames Tinajero or
Felix.  Her mother Teodocia Flores also would sometimes use the surnames
Felix or Suriano. This made finding their children a challenge, to put it
mildly.  I finally found my grandfather as Francisco Olague Felix, when I
expected to find him as

OT: Cell Phone Hoax

My apologies, it won't happen again..
Linda in Washington

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Deena Ortiz"  wrote:
>
> Just a reminder that when you send a message to the list that has 
nothing to 
> do with the purpose of the list, it's nice to precede the subject 
line with 
> OT (off topic).
> 
> Secondly, I usually check everything I receive before I forward it 
to see 
> whether is may be a hoax.  Most of them usually are.  The 
information about 
> cell phone telemarketers is somewhat mixed: 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> ~Deena Ortiz~
>





Communication I had with Colotlan Yahoo Group


just wanting to keep people in the loop for possible cooperation with
the Colotlan Yahoo Group. Boy does my Spanish leave a lot to be desired:




Norma Angelica Mendoza Sandoval wrote:

Hola a Todos! Hola Joseph!
Respecto a tu pregunta…

La Radio Universidad de Colotlán retransmite (vía Internet) desde hace dos
años la programación de Radio Universidad de Guadalajara, es decir no
contaba con un equipo de trabajo que pudiera producir y transmitir programas
locales. Actualmente estamos (estudiantes del Cunorte y yo) produciendo el
primer programa local… es un programa cultural que arrancó ayer, 6 de
octubre, con un programa dedicado a la Peregrinación de la Virgen del
Rosario a Santiago. Todavía no contamos con un servidor que nos permita
retransmitir desde colotlán vía Internet (para que nos puedas escuchar en
Carolina) sin embargo es una prioridades en esta etapa de arranque. Con
decirte que la estación esta incomunicada y todavía no cuenta con teléfono
pero estas cosas las iremos

OT: Cell Phone Hoax

Just a reminder that when you send a message to the list that has nothing to
do with the purpose of the list, it's nice to precede the subject line with
OT (off topic).


Secondly, I usually check everything I receive before I forward it to see
whether is may be a hoax. Most of them usually are. The information about
cell phone telemarketers is somewhat mixed:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp


~Deena Ortiz~



Interesados???

Hola Joseph, si me mandas mas informacion probablemente pueda ayudarte.

Norma

Joseph Puentes wrote:



Llego a un punto donde estaré entrevistando a personas en español. Mi
español definitivamente es sobrevivencia español y NO es la calidad de
Entrevista español. ¿Hay cualquiera en el grupo que serían interesados a
Entrevistar a Autores en un tema del interés al Entrevistador? Horita no
tengo alguien a entrevistar pero el dia viene pronto.

joseph




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message of interest for cell phone users

I'm passing this along, in the event you were unaware, as I was!


Subject: Cell Phone Telemarketers


FYI....

JUST A REMINDER... 31 days from today, cell phone numbers are being 
released to telemarketing companies and you will start to receive 
sales calls. YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS...

To prevent this, call the following number from your cell phone:
888-382-1222. It is the national DO NOT CALL list. It will only
take a minute of your time. It blocks your number for five (5) years.


OR you may go online to register your home and/or cell phone at: 
www.donotcall.gov .







Interesados???

hi Jonathan and Francisco,



my Spanish is pretty good conversational Spanish but I wouldn't go past
that. For interviews in Spanish I am looking for volunteers so I can
put up Author interviews online via my podcast. What I want to do is
find willing volunteers to go to the "books in print" database [ask
your local public or university library if they are subscribed to this]
and scroll down to a book to a subject they are either studying or want
to study and try to arrange an interview with the author. What I've
done is google the authors name and try to find an email. Contact the
author and ask if they would be willing to be interviewed. If they
respond positively then you would ask them to send you a list of
questions they would feel comfortable answering in relation to their
book. OR. . .or you would just give them the telephone for 10-30
minutes and let them give a presentation about the book that would
include a reading or two, but I don't want the session to be nothing
but

Interesados???

Joseph,

Me puedes mandar los detailes, de lo que quieres.  

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Llego a un punto donde estaré entrevistando a personas en español. Mi 
> español definitivamente es sobrevivencia español y NO es la calidad de 
> Entrevista español. ¿Hay cualquiera en el grupo que serían
interesados a 
> Entrevistar a Autores en un tema del interés al Entrevistador?
Horita no 
> tengo alguien a entrevistar pero el dia viene pronto.
> 
> joseph



Interesados???



Joseph Puentes wrote:



Llego a un punto donde estaré entrevistando a personas en español. Mi
español definitivamente es sobrevivencia español y NO es la calidad de
Entrevista español. ¿Hay cualquiera en el grupo que serían interesados a
Entrevistar a Autores en un tema del interés al Entrevistador? Horita no
tengo alguien a entrevistar pero el dia viene pronto.

joseph

Joseph:


Podrias mandarme mas informacion sobre estas entrevistas?


O es que quieres entrevistar a uno de los miembros de ranchos? Gracias, Francisco



Yahoo! for Good

Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Interesados???



Llego a un punto donde estaré entrevistando a personas en español. Mi
español definitivamente es sobrevivencia español y NO es la calidad de
Entrevista español. ¿Hay cualquiera en el grupo que serían interesados a
Entrevistar a Autores en un tema del interés al Entrevistador? Horita no
tengo alguien a entrevistar pero el dia viene pronto.


joseph



Genealogy Podcasts

Here are some podcast sites, that are about genealogy:

Dear Myrtle Family History Hour (posted every Tuesday):
http://dearmyrtle.com/

The Genealogy Guys Podcast (posted every Sunday):
http://www.genealogyguys.com/

Nuestra Familia Unida:
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/

For those of you, that are new to podcasting. A podcast is a audio
program, that is put on the internet, for people to download and
listen to, at their own leisure.

Also, for those of you, who are using a dialup internet connection.
Remember when you click on the podcst button, to listen to the
podcast. Remember, that podcast has to download. Usually, the
podcast are aleast 10 megabytes in size. So it will take time to
download.

I have listened to all the podcasts, that are on each of the above
site, and I have really enjoyed all of them, and I have learned
something new, from each podcast.

Jonathan




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Professor George Ryskamp Interview Online

As an aside, I would like to say that the NARA Symposium was great, 
particularly the sessions with George Ryskamp.  I also enjoyed meeting 
you Joseph and Natalie.

There was not much of a turnout but I hope they continue to do these 
symposia...  Next year we have to help them publicize the event a bit 
more.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I've got a new podcast online from the Hispanic Family History 
Symposium 
> this past weekend at NARA in DC. It is not actually part of the 
> Symposium but a personal interview I conducted immediately after the 
> Symposium.
> 
> the location is: http://NuestrosRanchos.libsyn.com
> 
> I hope to have 5 more presentations from that Symposium online in the 
> next week or two.
> 
> joseph




Professor George Ryskamp Interview Online


I've got a new podcast online from the Hispanic Family History Symposium
this past weekend at NARA in DC. It is not actually part of the
Symposium but a personal interview I conducted immediately after the
Symposium.


the location is: http://NuestrosRanchos.libsyn.com

I hope to have 5 more presentations from that Symposium online in the
next week or two.


joseph