El Teul Film

Hello:



Dr Inglis came to Texas on several grants to put the Nagcodoches [?] Archives in some sort of order.  I met him in Austin and invited him to speak at a small meeting that the genealogical club had in Houston.  He was then asked to speak at several other conference/meeting, etc.  He was a professor who married a Cuenca native and lived in Seville.  It was through Doug that I was able to enter the Archives in Seville and handle some of the Guadalajara  Archives - his wife had worked there at one time and he knew some of the people.  I went in blind....he helped me go through the paper work in order to do research there....pictures/ letters of recommendation; or at least that was what we did at the time....



Dr. Inglis said he could not make a living doing historical research so he had a business in computers at the time.  He was living in Seville.  I have not spoken to him in years.  We had him as a guest at our home;;;;this was in the 1980's when our kids were in college.  It

Guadalupe(s) born in 1932

Thanks Angie,
 
I guess in addition to learning genealogy we also learn about history and religion.
 
Alicia

aajay1073 wrote:

Alicia,

Yes there was some signifiance in that name.  December 1931 was the
400 year anniversary to the Virgin de Guadalupe.  So I imagine all
the children in the early part of 1932 were given that name.  Funny
you should bring this up since about a week ago, I was talking with
my uncle who was born in 1931 and has the name Guadalupe. 
Anyway...someone else started talking to us and he asked my uncle
were you born in the year of the Guadalupe's.  My uncle laughed and
said he was born before.  Later when the man left, I asked my uncle
what was that all about.  He explained to me that most of the
children born in 1932 were given the name of Guadalupe in honor of
the Virgin de Guadalupe.

Hope this helps...
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo
wrote:
> Jose Luis,
> 
> I'm sorry, I did not even think of that but as we

Who's going to the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium in DC???

This sounds interesting and since it is a short walk from my house 
and only $25, I will be attending.  I can get a digital recorder and 
record some of it for you in a .WAV file or something similar.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure who lives on the East Coast from the Juarez group but 
in 
> Ranchos there is:
> 
> Arturo Ramos,
> Natalie Coleman,
> Jeannette Soriano
> and me.
> 
> anybody going to this?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: I'm going to try to get the day off from work but I'm not 
> optimistic. If I can get to the conference I might try to record 
part of 
> the presentation to include in my Podcast series. I'm not sure how 
that 
> would work.
> 
> GENEALOGY
> 
> Hispanic Genealogy Symposium
> Saturday, September 24, 10:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the Presidential 
> Conference Center
> In a one-day Hispanic Genealogy Symposium, archivists and 
genealogists 
> will discuss primary sources as well as secondary sources available 
on 
>

Research Helps

Victor,

The only thing I know about [Film Number] Field is what it says in help:

"If a record contains both a batch number and a film number, then use 
only the batch number for your search. Film number searches are valid 
only when there is no batch number."

And as far as [Serial/Sheet Number] I have only ever seen it to be 
[00].  So I don't think that is any help.

Personally, I have never used either field in my searches.

Angie

P.S.  I knew you were jk ... ;-)

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Angie,
> 
> Thanks.  I was just joking!
> And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
> purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?
> 
> I've tried entering data into the [Film Number] field in a similar
> fashion to the [Batch Number] as some recommend field but nothing 
happens!
> 
> Victor 
>




Guadalupe(s) born in 1932

Alicia,

Yes there was some signifiance in that name.  December 1931 was the 
400 year anniversary to the Virgin de Guadalupe.  So I imagine all 
the children in the early part of 1932 were given that name.  Funny 
you should bring this up since about a week ago, I was talking with 
my uncle who was born in 1931 and has the name Guadalupe.  
Anyway...someone else started talking to us and he asked my uncle 
were you born in the year of the Guadalupe's.  My uncle laughed and 
said he was born before.  Later when the man left, I asked my uncle 
what was that all about.  He explained to me that most of the 
children born in 1932 were given the name of Guadalupe in honor of 
the Virgin de Guadalupe.

Hope this helps...
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Jose Luis,
>  
> I'm sorry, I did not even think of that but as we all now know it's 
very possible and I'm sure you're right there will not be any formal 
church records. As we all know

Year 1932, Virgen De Guadalupe

Regarding my earlier question about a particular significance in the year 1932 of the name Guadalupe. I just googled Virgen de Guadalupe and I found a web site with a lot of information about the Virgen but I think I might have a response to my question about some significance to the year 1932. The Virgen appeared to Juan Diego in the year 1531 and maybe they were commemorating the 400 year anniversary of her appearance. Tlachichila belongs to the Diocese of Guadalajara and I know that our lady is much revered in that region. Has anyone else encountered this naming phenomenon for this year in your area of research?

 

Alicia Carrillo...........San Jose, Ca

 

Church Records/Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio





Alicia Carrillo wrote:


 I will also order the Ordenes de Sacerdocio and I don't know if
these would also apply to nuns. I know there have been nuns in our
family in Mexico.

I'm interested in hearing what you find out after looking at some of
these films.



please do give us a detailed report about the films in general, thanks,



joseph

 
Muchas Gracias Joseph................Alicia Carrillo.........San
Jose, Ca
 




Joseph Puentes wrote:

yes:


Title

Documentos eclesiásticos, 1604-1898

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra en
Guadalajara.

Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio.

Documents regarding ordinations to the priesthood within the Roman
Catholic Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco - Church records

Mexico, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Research Helps

Angie,

Thanks.  I was just joking!
And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?

I've tried entering data into the [Film Number] field in a similar
fashion to the [Batch Number] as some recommend field but nothing happens!

Victor 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Victor,
> 
> Thanks for the info!
> 
> After all the information you have given me, your honor was never in 
> question.  :-)
> 
> Thanks Again,
> Angie
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
> wrote:
> > Angie,
> > 
> > I found that the percentage sign does act as a wildcard, at least in
> > some instances.  For example if you enter a last name and want to
> > apply a filter in Events, and/or Year Range and/or State, if you leave
> > the First Name field blank you'll get an arror message.  But doing
> >

Alicia and the prieshood records of the church

Jose Luis,
 
I'm sorry, I did not even think of that but as we all now know it's very possible and I'm sure you're right there will not be any formal church records. As we all know in the early Catholic Church the church was very powerful. For that and for many other reasons Mexico had the Cristero Rebellion. My mom and aunts tell stories about how dominant the parish priests were to the point of naming the children. Mom said that when I was born she took me to have me registered because my dad was in El Norte and the priest told her that my name should be Juana and that it could not be Alicia because my name was not the name of a saint. Mom said she told the priest well there is now a new saint and it's Alicia and she will be named Alicia.
 
Yesterday while perusing records for baptisms I came across about 6 months worth of baptisms where all the children were named Guadalupe both male and female and this was in 1932. It was Jose Guadalupe, Maria Guadalupe, Tomas Guadalupe, Mariana

Who's going to the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium in DC???

I'm registered! Anyone else coming to the conference? Hope to see you 
there.
Natalie in VA

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure who lives on the East Coast from the Juarez group but 
in 
> Ranchos there is:
> 
> Arturo Ramos,
> Natalie Coleman,
> Jeannette Soriano
> and me.
> 
> anybody going to this?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: I'm going to try to get the day off from work but I'm not 
> optimistic. If I can get to the conference I might try to record 
part of 
> the presentation to include in my Podcast series. I'm not sure how 
that 
> would work.
> 
> GENEALOGY
> 
> Hispanic Genealogy Symposium
> Saturday, September 24, 10:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the Presidential 
> Conference Center
> In a one-day Hispanic Genealogy Symposium, archivists and 
genealogists 
> will discuss primary sources as well as secondary sources available 
on 
> the Internet to trace family history. Featured speaker Professor 
George 
> Ryskamp of Brigham Young

Church Records/Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio

Wow that was quick, It's amazing what you get when you put it out there.
 
I have been trying to recruit different family members into geneaology. I was supposed to meet with a tia today up at the Fremont FHC. I went yesterday to do my research so that if we both went today I could dedicate all my time to training her. She called this morning to say she couldn't make it but while I had her on the phone I grilled her regarding some records I found yesterday. She was born in Jalpa Zacatecas and her maternal grandmother and my mom's grandfather were brother and sister so that makes her my Tia Josefina. Her grandmother Herlinda Olmos married J. Refugio Valenzuela of Jalpa Zac and they had a son named Adalberto who's birth/baptism records I found yesterday. She was telling me about his family of brothers and sisters and said he and two of his brothers were priests and that Adalberto had spent 10 years in Rome at the Vatican.
 
This along with other stories I have heard led me to wonder

Research Helps

Victor,

Thanks for the info!

After all the information you have given me, your honor was never in 
question.  :-)

Thanks Again,
Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Angie,
> 
> I found that the percentage sign does act as a wildcard, at least in
> some instances.  For example if you enter a last name and want to
> apply a filter in Events, and/or Year Range and/or State, if you leave
> the First Name field blank you'll get an arror message.  But doing
> that same query with "%" in the First Name field you'll get back a
> recordset.  Have I saved my honor? -- jk -- ;-)  
> 
> Victor
>



Alicia and the prieshood records of the church

Alicia;  I think your question about if there are records of the births of children born to priests and nuns is brilliant !  I can imagine that there probably are no formal records unless they were entered as part of the normal birth/christaning of the Parish. Then they would use their own given names instead of the names taken as part of the new life they became when they took their vows.
   I do remember achialogists finding the remains (bones) of new borns in the catacombs benieth some churches in France. Human nature is what it is, and the practice of putting newborns to die down there must have been hard for the nuns, but necessary.  Ergo, as you postulated, it may have been that they had them baptized before abandoning them. There are catacombs beneigth many catherials in Mexico and your theory does have merit. It could also be that some of the "Hijo natural" entries were actually babies born to the local clergy and brought at their request by a parishoner.
   I would be most

Church Records/Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio

yes:


Title

Documentos eclesiásticos, 1604-1898

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra en
Guadalajara.

Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio.

Documents regarding ordinations to the priesthood within the Roman
Catholic Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco - Church records

Mexico, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Geneal�gica de
Utah, 1957-1958

Physical

131 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes

Note - Location [Film]

Ordenes 1648-1881 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 168673 ]

Ordenes 1600-1699 - 
FHL INTL Film [ 168674 ]

Ordenes 1600-1628, 1714 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 168675 ]

Ordenes 1620-1659 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 168676 ]

Ordenes 1604-1691 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 168677 ]

Ordenes 1614-1668 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 168678 ]

Ordenes 1668-1684 - 
VAULT

Church Records

Does anyone know of any records that can be accessed to see if someone has gone either into the priesthood or to be a nun. Stories I have heard about numerous relations that were priests and nuns have led me to want to look for these records.

 

Any help would be appreciated......................Alicia Carrillo, San Jose Ca

Research Helps - & Tnks!

You are welcome, Emily.

Gracious and courteous as always even with little details like this. 
We'd all do good by following your example and act as if there is a
person behind each other's monitor and keyboard!  

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
> Victor,
> 
> Thanks for that last tip.  That will save me lots of time if I can
avoid getting that message about "if you only enter a last name, you
must not enter another field"  or something to that effect.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA  -----
> 




Research Helps

Victor,
 
Thanks for that last tip.  That will save me lots of time if I can avoid getting that message about "if you only enter a last name, you must not enter another field"  or something to that effect.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA  -----
 
----- Original Message -----
From: v.h.villarreal
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Research Helps
 

Angie,

I found that the percentage sign does act as a wildcard, at least in
some instances.  For example if you enter a last name and want to
apply a filter in Events, and/or Year Range and/or State, if you leave
the First Name field blank you'll get an arror message.  But doing
that same query with "%" in the First Name field you'll get back a
recordset.  Have I saved my honor? -- jk -- ;-) 

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073" wrote:
> Victor,
>
> Too funny...when I started working on my family tree in 1998, I did
> create my own program, which I still use today

Who's going to the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium in DC???





I'm not sure who lives on the East Coast from the Juarez group but in
Ranchos there is:



Arturo Ramos,

Natalie Coleman,

Jeannette Soriano

and me.



anybody going to this?



joseph



ps: I'm going to try to get the day off from work but I'm not
optimistic. If I can get to the conference I might try to record part
of the presentation to include in my Podcast series. I'm not sure how
that would work.


GENEALOGY

Hispanic Genealogy Symposium

Saturday, September 24, 10:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the Presidential
Conference Center


In
a one-day Hispanic Genealogy Symposium, archivists and genealogists
will discuss primary sources as well as secondary sources available on
the Internet to trace family history. Featured speaker Professor George
Ryskamp of Brigham Young University will join National Archives staff
archivists Kenneth Heger, Reginald Washington, and Claire Kluskens. A
fee of $25 is payable by cash or check at the door. Enter through the
Special Event entrance on Constitution Avenue.

Josie T. Trevinos Genealogy



I've just added Josie T. Trevino's Zacatecas, Zacatecas genealogy to
the Yahoo briefcase. As always the briefcase and other linked works can
be found in the "links" area of the group.



go to "Links"



go to "AAAAA - Genealogies"



go to "Josie T. Trevino" or another folder



click on the link and be directed to the Yahoo Briefcase where you will
click on Josie T. Trevino again


Links
>

href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/Genealogies_001052028367">AAAAA
- Genealogies

>
Josie T. Trevino (josiett3@...)

Name Creator Actions


href="http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/makas_nc/lst?.dir=/Genealogies&.view=l">Maria
Dolores Liendo



This work continues back to the 14th Century
ask her about it.


http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/makas_nc/lst?.dir=/Genealogies&.view=l


Research tips


I agree with you,
Natalie!  I think we can learn a lot from other people's
contributions.   I am still learning a lot about this computer and I
really look for easier ways to do things.  A file of research tips is a
great idea!


Josie in San Antonio,
TX


size=2>=============================================================================


Message: 13


Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:49:00 -0000


From: "Natalie"


Subject: Research tips


I am in favor of a file of research tips - where all
the wonderful and


helpful tips can be consolidated or listed. I need
all the help I can


get :)!


Natalie Coleman, VA

Posadas

Is anyone here old enough to remember a book published in 1959 
titled "Nine Days to Christmas", by Marie Hall Ets, illustrated by 
Aurora Labastida? Ms. Labastida was awarded the 1960 Caldecott Award 
for her illustrations.
It is about the nine days of posadas in Mexico. One of my favorites.

Natalie Coleman, VA



Posada

I just attended the posada on Olvera Street this past Christmas, so the 
tradition is still alive, even in the United States.  I have a 
childhood friend who has started hosting a posada at Christmas time 
among her friends (who are all Chicanos) and their kids.

We used to get together with a very large group of family and friends 
as kids in San Gabriel, California for the Posada every Christmas.  If 
I remember correctly, it was done for several days, because I remember 
families taking turns at hosting.  There were always bags of goodies 
for the kids after the ritual of parading and asking for shelter.. and 
champurrado.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long" 
 wrote:
> 
> In the early 50's they did a Posada at the Catholic church in our 
> town, Stockton Ca. that had the largest Mexican population.  My 
> brother and cousin were both 5 years old and recruited to be 'Indios" 
> for the Posada which was made up of children only.  We still laugh

Research Helps

Angie,

I found that the percentage sign does act as a wildcard, at least in
some instances.  For example if you enter a last name and want to
apply a filter in Events, and/or Year Range and/or State, if you leave
the First Name field blank you'll get an arror message.  But doing
that same query with "%" in the First Name field you'll get back a
recordset.  Have I saved my honor? -- jk -- ;-)  

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Victor,
> 
> Too funny...when I started working on my family tree in 1998, I did 
> create my own program, which I still use today.  But my program 
> doesn't do all the fancy charts and reports.  So I was going to add 
> that to my program when I found the PAF program.  I liked the reports 
> and tools in that program so instead of adding that functionality to 
> my own program, I created a tool to convert the data in my program to 
> a GED file and I then import it into a PAF file.  All this probably 
> sounds

Posada

In the early 50's they did a Posada at the Catholic church in our 
town, Stockton Ca. that had the largest Mexican population.  My 
brother and cousin were both 5 years old and recruited to be 'Indios" 
for the Posada which was made up of children only.  We still laugh to 
this day about how humiliated these macho little boys were to be 
dressed in white pants and shirt and have an orange crate full of my 
dish's strapped on their backs.  They went to different 'stations' 
asking for help but were refused until they got to the church where 
they asked and were admitted.  Everyone got a bag with an orange and 
some popcorn after.  Sadly that's all any of us remember about the 
Posada.  The tradition was discontued by the church by the 60's.... 
another lost tradition from Old Mexico....
Linda in WA.