Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.

Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?

En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.

Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.

Gracias de antemano.

P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.

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Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),

Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".

My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution.

What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the

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Emilie:

Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned many records as an imposition of the new regulations. Priests had to hide and were under persecution, when found were murdered and their records burned (some of them as martirs).

By the way, which italian family are you looking for in Jalpa?

Best regards.

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:10 -0700>

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Alessandro,

Thank you for the explanation.

The ancestors of my father that I think were Italian (not in Jalpa, but in Zacatecas, where my father was born) were Suriano and Lucio.

Emilie
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Emilie:

Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned

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Hello all.

I'm finally getting around to introducing myself and the beginnings of my family research:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17213

It's very exciting to see how far some have been able to take their histories.  Although I'm just getting started in my research,  I hope that at some point, something I've found out will help someone else.

Happy hunting,
Rebecca

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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260

I have been doing Genealogy for 5 years and found my roots from my mother and father side are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco area. I have my genealogy file in the files area of the group under, "Cuellar, Danny" but you can find it directly at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260
So far I gone up to the 1700's and hopefully would like to go back even further to find my ancestors that came from Spain.

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Hello Danny, there goes a big applause for your great job and presentation!
 
Leticia Leon

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La guía completa para tu vida en Mujer de Hoy.
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My name is Mike Gordoa Jr. and I am seeking the family of my father, Miguel Gordoa Acosta.My father was born 29 September 1908 in the vicinity of the Hacienda Pasjae near Pedricenas, Durango (from baptismal record ). He was the son of Alfredo Gordoa and Juana Acosta.My grandmother, Juana Acosta, was born in la Punta, Aguascaliente and I have traced her genealogy back to her grandfather`s family in la Punta ( near Rincon de Romos, Agus. ).
What I know about my Grandfather Gordoa is that he was a mining engineer and was killed in a mining accident in the Cuencame area of Durango in the year 1910. His parents were Miguel Gordoa and Tomasa Mata.I have searched for answers via the FHC and Gordoa`s from Spain and Mexico who helped and encouraged me on my quest to find the family of my grandfather Gordoa.I have found no records of my grandfather`s death or the baptism of my two aunts,Tomasa and Emilia born in 1906 and 1910.My grandmother with her 3 children crossed into the USA at Eagle Pass

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I have just started researching my father's family who settled in
Bakersfield, CA after coming here around the years 1915-1920. His mother was Ysabel
Munoz from Aguascalientes. The surnames connected to her are: Munoz, Esparza,
Soria, Naranjo, Canales, Martinez, Trevino, Renteria, Sepulveda and Garcia.
His father was Jesus Mora from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. For now, I am
concentrating on my Grandfather's family. The surnames connected to his family
are: Mora, Jaime/Jayme/Xayme, Moran, Pedroza, Alba, Romo, Lopez, Cueva,
Villalobos, Delgado, Tiscareno, de Lizaldi (Elisalde?), Esparza and Gabay. I
have already found 2 distant relatives through this site who have been VERY
helpful. Thank you, Luis and Daniel!
I am currently going over the films from Encarnacion de Diaz for the years
1860-1890 trying to find the birth and marriage records for my paternal
grandparents, Sabina Jaime and Narciso Mora. I have found Narciso's information,
but not Sabina's.

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Hello KanakaLele,

I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.

Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:

> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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Stuart,

Confirmations were oftentimes at the same time as baptisms but could also be every 3 or 4 years, depending on when the Bishop could make it to your parish. Sometimes the Confirmandi had to go to another parish rather than wait several years for the Bishop to visit the home parish.

It was not like it is here at a set age.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: Stuart Armstrong
To: "KanakaLele@aol.com"
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 3:58:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction

Hello KanakaLele,

I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.

Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:

> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best

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The 1844 confirmations for Yahualica, Jalisco, lasted days and included well
over a thousand. It looks to me like anyone and everyone of all ages from
the parish got confirmed.

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Hi Sherri
,Its Daniel, I think since La Chona "Encarnacion de Diaz" was a small amry post I think or a small settlement prob. they went to nearby cities, like in my case. I had people from LA Chona who got baptized in Lagos, Tepa, and Teocaltiche. -Daniel

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Sherri,

I took a look at the Ahnentafel Chart for Narcisco Mora Moran, that you have in your folder, and I was able to add a few people to it. I don't know if you already have found these individuals, but take a look at it.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Ahnentafel Chart for Narcisco Mora Moran

First Generation
1. Narcisco Mora Moran was born on 27 Oct 1866 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 1 Nov 1867 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 29 Jun 1942 in Los Angeles, California, USA.

Narcisco married (1) Maria Sabina Jaime daughter of Jose Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza on 20 Apr 1887 in Mexico. Maria was born in 1870 in Santa Maria, Mexico.

They had the following children:
i. Jose Mora .
ii. Maria de la Luz Mora was born in Mexico.
iii. Jesus Mora was born on 10 May 1888 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He died on 9 Apr 1979 in Bakersfield, Kern, California, USA. Jesus married Isabel M. Munoz in 1907 in

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Jonathan,
Thank you so much for sharing your information. I have a copy of the church record for the marriage between Narciso and Higinia but not Narciso and Sabina. The date for Sabina's marriage has to be between May 1888 and early 1889 according to the baptism records of the children of Narciso. I also have not been successful in finding death information for Higinia. The marriage date you have for Higinia and Sabina are identical. Could it be that they are the same person? If so, how could it be confirmed? You can contact me personally at kanakalele@aol.com if you'd like to go into more detail. Also, I have pictures of their graves-would this be something to post on this site?
Sherri Mora
P.S. Are the people you addded part of your tree? If so, does that make us related? I've found 2 possibly 3 other relatives through this site!

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Sherri,

I doubt that Higinia and Sabina are the same person. They have different
parents. The parents of Higinia are Lazaro Muniz and Teresa Lopez. And
Sabina parents are Jose Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza. But with a
little more researching, you should be able to learn more about the two
wives.

Also, the indivuals that I added, they are not from any of my lines (I don't
have any ancestral lines through Mexico). I found those individuals, using
FamilySearch. The reason, that I looked at your lines, is that I have
researched some Mora lines in Encarnacion de Diaz and Lagos de Moreno.

Thanks,
Jonathan

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From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sherri Mora's lines
Date: 05/11/09 00:56

> Jonathan,
> Thank you so much for sharing your information. I have a copy of the
church record for the marriage between Narciso and Higinia but not Narciso
and Sabina. The date for Sabina's

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Hi Jonathan,
Under normal circumstances I would not suspect that they were one person, however, Sabina's father, Jose Refugio Jayme, was raised by Lasaro Muniz and Teresa Lopez-the parents listed for Higinia Muniz. Yes, it's confusing. I'm reviewing films from Encarnacion so I will take a look at your reports and pass along anything I think may be helpful. I find lots of helpful info by just browsing.
Sherri Mora

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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17946

I am doing research on the Reyes and Ybarra families that came from and through Mexico.

I have been researching Juan Joseph Reyes y Diaz, b. between 1716-1723 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico, d. Mexico, married to Maria Gertrudis Reyes between 1740-1748 Zapotlan Del Rey, Jalisco Mexico, b. Between 1720-1727 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico d. Mexico, son - Juan Francisco Reyes b. Bet 1745-1749 Zapotlan El Grande Mexcio, d. 8 Nov 1809 Mission San Gabriel, Alta California.

and

Desiderio Ybarra, b. about 1719, Mexico, married to Guiol b. about 1723

I have extensive information forward but not backwards, like who are the parents of the above, and where did they live, and their grandparents.

I am at a road block here and would appreciate any help anyone can give.

Thank you,

Tina Reyes

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Hi Tina, welcome to the group. I think the mistake people most often make, is not being informed on greography, if you know the geography when researching, this will help you enough. History is important too. Well it appears your area is where my father is from. His grandparents being from Los Altos de Jalisco. Zapotlán el Grande is also known as Ciudad Guzmán. Zapotlán del Rey only has records around the mid 1700 to the present day. Ciudad Guzmán starts in 1666 or so. You have to worry about checking tin the right places. just because you dont find someone in X place doesnt mean they're out there. Zapotlán del Rey will be tricky but Ciudad Guzmán will be easier. Ive done about 3 films from there (they were already in my FHC), people tend to stay around there in the area. You also have to take in consideration Los Altos is up the road from Zapotlán del Rey. They might have also come from there. Send me what you have I may be of some help. My cousin Linda Castañón has also done

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Hi Tina and Daniel, I did check my data base and do not have this Reyes couple.  I will double check what I have but I only enter into into my files my families and the families they married into.  Daniel is right though, the films for Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman have many records for Zapotlan Del Rey.

happy hunting..

Linda in B.C.

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From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:43 AM

Hi Tina, welcome to the group. I think the mistake people most often make, is not being informed on greography, if you know the geography when researching, this will help you enough. History is important too. Well it appears your area is where my father is from. His grandparents being from Los Altos de Jalisco. Zapotlán el Grande is also known as Ciudad Guzmán. Zapotlán del Rey only has records around the mid 1700 to the present day. Ciudad Guzmán starts in 1666

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Tina I checked my records and found in the years you mentioned baptism records from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman do not contain grandparents.  The marriage records do so that would be your best bet for finding elusive grandparents.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Linda in B.C.

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Tina Reyes wrote:

From: Tina Reyes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:02 AM

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17946

I am doing research on the Reyes and Ybarra families that came from and through Mexico.

I have been researching Juan Joseph Reyes y Diaz, b. between 1716-1723 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico, d. Mexico, married to Maria Gertrudis Reyes between 1740-1748 Zapotlan Del Rey, Jalisco Mexico, b. Between 1720-1727 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico d. Mexico, son - Juan Francisco Reyes b. Bet 1745-1749 Zapotlan El Grande Mexcio, d. 8 Nov 1809 Mission San Gabriel, Alta California.

and

Desiderio Ybarra, b

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Juan Arguelles

Born: 1851 Jalisco México

Died: 1923 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Juan Arguelles first wife was named Josepha De La Torres

Married Maria Enciso (Second wife)

Born: 1874 Jalisco, México

Died: 1916 Zacataces, Jalisco México

Their children: # 4 is my Grandmother;

1) Pedro Arguelles

Born: 1896 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Chr: Huejucar, Jalisco México

2) Jesusita Arguelles

Born: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Chr: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Died: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Jesusita died two days after birth.

3) Salvador Arguelles Spouse: Jusus Ledaxma

Born: 1900 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Chr: 1900 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Died: 1950 Vera Cruz, México

4) Virginia Arguelles Cesena Spouse: Arthur Cesena

Born: July 29th 1902 Huejucar, Mexico

Chr: 1902 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Died: July 27th 1978 Stockton, California

5) Constantion Ricardo Arguelles

Born: April 29th 1906 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Died: November 16th 1978 Concord

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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18257

Hello,

I am very excited and happy to be able to be a part of this online community. Over the years I have had a lot of questions as to the whereabouts and descendants of my parents. My parents have been able to furnish some information regarding their ancestry, but there continues to be lots of gaps regarding dates and complete names. I was looking for information online one day when I bumped into this particular website. I knew both my parents were from Aguascalientes, and I had just assumed that their parents were too. Much to my surprise, after I asked my parents about my grandparents they told me that all of my grandparents were from Los Altos de Jalisco.

My name is Hilda del Carmen Davalos Moreno, I am interested in researching the Davalos, Moreno, Lopez, Franco, Marquez, Gutierrez families... I am barely starting so I have a shaky skeleton of information. It is an exciting learning experience to learn about my ancestors.

My