Hi all, I recently learned that Jalisco has a website from which you can order certified copies of civil records (birth, marriage and death) via the Internet. The website can be found at: http://registrocivil.jalisco.gob.mx You can pay with a credit card and they use a messenger service to mail your records. Maria
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When surnames were finally given to the Indios,
many of them received names such as Juan de Dios or Maria de los Angeles--saints names were used as surnames. Sometimes they also took on the surname of the patron of the particular rancho, pueblito, hacienda, casa, etc., that they were living at. Marge Vallazza:)
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I would like to invite viewers of the Ranchos forum with the Cervantes surname from Mexico to join the Cervantes DNA Surname Project at http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=L97208&special=True The Cervantes surname in Mexico has its roots as far back as the early 16th Century. You have two important individuals with this surname. The first one is Leonel de Cervantes, he came with Hernan Cortes in the conquest of Mexico in 1521. Leonel de Cervantes was born in Burguillos del Cerro, Spain and was a member of a noble family. He was also a Commander of the Santiago Order of Knights. Leonel de Cervantes escorted Moctezuma out to address his people who were in revolt against the Conquistadors. Moctezuma was then stoned by his subjects. He died later of these wounds. Just after the conquest Cortes allowed Leonel to return home to Spain upon which Cervantes promised he would return to Mexico with his five daughters and marry them to Conquistadors. He kept his promise. He
--- makas@... wrote: Good question!!! I have reviewed some films in the early 1700's (Baptism). I have one film in Colotlan no surnames were given only first names on the records which makes it impossible to find ancestors. Carol --------------------------------- When the Spaniards made converts of the Indios of Mexico they gave them Spanish names. So am I correct that there are peoples of every Spanish surname out there that can eventually trace their genealogy back to where that name was "assigned" and then the trail would end because it would be extremely difficult or impossible to find a written record of the Indio names before conversion. . .OR. . .or do I have this all wrong? Was it only first names that were assigned to them and then as the Spaniards crossbred with the Indios those bi-racial children then had a ligitimate [traceable] name that could be traced back to Spain? How exactly did the names for the indios come about? joseph Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
When the Spaniards made converts of the Indios of Mexico they gave them
Spanish names. So am I correct that there are peoples of every Spanish
surname out there that can eventually trace their genealogy back to
where that name was "assigned" and then the trail would end because it
would be extremely difficult or impossible to find a written record of
the Indio names before conversion. . .OR. . .or do I have this all
wrong? Was it only first names that were assigned to them and then as
the Spaniards crossbred with the Indios those bi-racial children then
had a ligitimate [traceable] name that could be traced back to Spain?
How exactly did the names for the indios come about? joseph
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Wasn't somebody researching the Union de San Antonio area? if so does
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Hola Carrillo researchers:
My great-grandmother was Francisca Carrillo who was
born in Hujecar in 1843. She married Casmiro Muro in
1863 (Santa Maria). Francisca had 15 children that we
know of and we know that 4 came to the US. I know
very little about the Carrillo's going forward,
however I have traced 3 generations back; Francisca's
father was Pedro Nolasco Carrillo born 1812 in
Colotlan; m. to Tranquilana Sanchez; Pedro's father
was Felipe Carrillo m. to Mariana de Casas; Felipe
Carrillo's father was Andres Carrillo m. to Maria
Estefana Martinez. So this puts me in the late 1770's
with the Carrillo's.
My Francisca did make it to the states, my grandfather
Casmiro died in 1911; I find Francisca in the 1930
census in CA living in LA county with her son Juan.
She lived
Hola, Carol. Thanks for the reply. My search continues./Adelante-Raul Felix -----Original Message----- From: Carol TurnerSent: Jun 4, 2004 9:53 AM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ranchos] Alicia of San Jose Hola Carrillo researchers: My great-grandmother was Francisca Carrillo who was born in Hujecar in 1843. She married Casmiro Muro in 1863 (Santa Maria). Francisca had 15 children that we know of and we know that 4 came to the US. I know very little about the Carrillo's going forward, however I have traced 3 generations back; Francisca's father was Pedro Nolasco Carrillo born 1812 in Colotlan; m. to Tranquilana Sanchez; Pedro's father was Felipe Carrillo m. to Mariana de Casas; Felipe Carrillo's father was Andres Carrillo m. to Maria Estefana Martinez. So this puts me in the late 1770's with the Carrillo's. My Francisca did make it to the states, my grandfather Casmiro died in 1911; I find Francisca in the 1930 census in CA living in LA county with her
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I read with great interest the 5 de Mayo article regarding Maximilian and the French forces - all of which is true of course. However, it is my understanding that 5 de Mayo was first celebrated by the Americans, because of another French-related war that was waged against Mexico, after the French had been "kicked out".
This war is called (if I remember correctly) "La Guerra de los Panaderos". A succint recollection of this incident is as follows:
Apparently, Mexican nationals had vandalized bakeries still owned by the French in Mexico City, and a big riot broke out. The French demanded reparations for the French citizens, Mexico declined. It was at this time, that the French sent in troops to once again take over Mexico, but the Mexicans defeated them on May 5th. Mexicans themselves did not see it as a victory because they landed paying restitutions anyway and lost lives during the short lived war/battle.
Americans began to celebrate this occasion, because that was the
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Isn't the "tuna" (the fruit on top of the cactus) also consumed as a potent beverage when left to ferment? Esperanza |
Well, I am not Alicia, but I thought I would answer your question. If you go to http://www.expedia.com/. Select the Maps tab from the top area. Then select the 'Find a Map' link. Then Select the 'Search for a place [North America]'. Type in Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico for the place name and then click on the 'Find a Map' button. A map of Jerez [Jerez de García Salinas], Zacatecas, Mexico should come up. Using the menus you can make it bigger and zoom in or out. I have only driven through Jerez on my way to Colotlan, Jalisco so I don't know that much about it. There is two website you can check out, that have pictures and information. They are at: http://www.galeon.com/berumen/ http://www.jerez.com.mx/ Good luck on your search, Angie --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean"wrote: > The Macias branch of my family is from Zacatecas. I don't know where and there is now no one to ask. I saw a place called "Jerez" on a Document. I wonder if "Jerez
Just one more tidbit on the Nopales recipes. Yes the nopal salad with queso fresco sounds really good, although in our family we never make it that way. We'll have to try them that way. By the way try to use the youngest and most tender PENCAS. A "penca" is what you call an individual stem/leaf/pad. See illustration. That's the top one. The old pencas are too tough, stringy, and inedible. A nopal refers to the entire living organism.
Surprisingly, nopales are very versatile. One way is the way every one has suggested. Cleaning the pencas (dethorning them), chopping into cubes, and boiling with onions and cilantro. Once their done, you drain the water and can be
I love it. Just get us Mexicans to talk about our foods and culture and
Hola Carrillo researchers: My great-grandmother was Francisca Carrillo who was born in Hujecar in 1843. She married Casmiro Muro in 1863 (Santa Maria). Francisca had 15 children that we know of and we know that 4 came to the US. I know very little about the Carrillo's going forward, however I have traced 3 generations back; Francisca's father was Pedro Nolasco Carrillo born 1812 in Colotlan; m. to Tranquilana Sanchez; Pedro's father was Felipe Carrillo m. to Mariana de Casas; Felipe Carrillo's father was Andres Carrillo m. to Maria Estefana Martinez. So this puts me in the late 1770's with the Carrillo's. My Francisca did make it to the states, my grandfather Casmiro died in 1911; I find Francisca in the 1930 census in CA living in LA county with her son Juan. She lived to be about 94 years old and I'm told she died in Delicias, Chiuahua. I've looked at films for the city from 1932-1938 and found nothing. So there is some family there in Chiuahua, I just don't know who yet or
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Hola. I responded to Alicia Carrillo's nopalitos
story because I was seeking info with regards the Carrillo name. I believe my grandfather's name was JOSE CARRILLO but I know very little else about him. Based on a brief autobiography from my mother, JOSE CARRILLO married MARIA GARCIA in Chihuahua. They had one child, a daughter, Guadalupe, born 12/12/03. I have NOT BEEN TO CONFIRM/VALIDATE their marriage or the birth of the child via the Chihuahua City records. I've made two trips to Ciudad Chihuahua (1997-98). Subsequent trips were made to Zacatecas City. My research group (La Familia, Anaheim, CA.) also visited nearby Jerez, Guadalupe and Fresnio. It turns out that my families FERNANDEZ (Grandmother) and FELIX (grandfather) are from JEREZ, ZAC. and a place called Hermita De Guadalupe..which I have yet to locate. I can tell you more about Jerez if you are interested. It is my hope that our research group will visit there again. What I'd like to share with you is that |
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Alicia Carrillo;
I know how you feel about not
wanting to be labeled a Mexican in an Anglo society. Now that we Latino's make up 54% of the population of California it is no longer that much of an issue. I was so very interested to
read your posting and I felt that you put into writing what I had experienced myself. My father lived most of his later years there in San Jose. He lived on Little Orchard street. I visited him there a few times before he died. I still have relations there. The Macias branch of my
family is from Zacatecas. I don't know where and there is now no one to ask. I saw a place called "Jerez" on a Document. I wonder if "Jerez, Zacatecas" is a City, town, parish, rancho, area or rest stop. I have never been there and don't have a map. Do you know, Alicia ? Funny how a thing does not
follow every generation. My children don't speak Spanish, didn't take Spanish in school, don't acknowledge when addressed in |
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Surprisingly, nopales are very versatile. One way is the way every one has suggested. Cleaning the pencas (dethorning them), chopping into cubes, and boiling with onions and cilantro. Once their done, you drain the water and can be used for a variety of dishes. One is a type of salsa, with chopped fresh red tomatoes, white onions, green chiles and cilantro (aka Bandera salsa, because of the colors of the Mexican flag-green, white, and red). Sometimes we even make this variation with chopped avocado (NOT MASHED, that's guacamole). With the
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It appears we have several things in common:
I like nopalitos, I also live in San Jose and we just may share some distant relatives. According to a brief autobiography of my mother (Guadalupe Flores), her biological father's name was JOSE CARRILLO. Lupe was orphaned at a very early age in Ciudad Chihuahua. She believed her mother's name was Maria Garcia (Hidalgo de Paral) but my research indicates her name was Maria Macias. Maria died Ciudad Chihuahua at the age of 17 (1905) leaving her small daughter in the care of an old couple Tomas/Petra Dominquez who later left the child in the care of Alejandra Castillo. MARIA GARCIA/MACIAS supposedly married JOSE CARRILLO (Zacatecas) in Ciudad Chihuahua. I have not been able to find/verify Guadalupes birth (Dec. 12, 1903) in Ciudad Chihuahua nor the marriage of Maria to Jose Carrillo. Guadalupe woujld eventually end up in McFarland,
Calif. as the adopted daughter of Alejandra and Gaspar Flores. Alejandra met Gaspar Flores in |