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Not offended at all.

Of course I was brought up over here, not in mexico. I think we left there
for good when I was like 4 or 5.

But I was baptized as a baby a couple months old, then when I was like in
first grade I went to catacizim and then made my first communinon, then 13
or 14 my confirmation.

But I guess things are just different everywhere and with each family also.



              ~~glo~~






From: Smiley 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:56:55 -0700 (PDT)

...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as I am NOT an authority on
this subject. I spoke in more detail with my MIL and she said that the child
is baptized when they are under 1 year old, then at the age of 3 or later,
they are then confirmed. The timeframe depends on the parents. If the
child has NOT been presented to the church before this time, then

I made my confirmation in my teen years, not shure which but I think it was
like 13 or 14.

              ~~glo~~






From: Alicia Carrillo 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:50:30 -0700 (PDT)

Chris, this all depends on which years you're looking for. In most parishes
this occured at the same time as baptism and in some parishes shortly there
after.

Alicia

Chris Pineda  wrote:
Hey all,

I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
born in Tlaltenango.

The problem is that this is the second time, where I
haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
moved there.

Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage

To add a note to the conversation about confirmations - I've read hundreds of confirmation records, both in Mexico and Puerto Rico, and they are not usually worth reading unless you're really desperate.  Most list no dates and no parents, and give just the child's name and the padrinos.  

And as for the expuestos, I've come across several who were expuesto en la casa de Don So and So; and I've found them being married 20 years later or included in a will, and listed as Don or Doñã -- hijo/hija natural de, or hijo/hija reconocido de ---, the natural children of the son or daughter or of the master of the house, but unacknowledged at the time of birth because, for people of a certain social status, to have a child out of wedlock wasn't socially unacceptable. 

I've come across several reference to baptisms in Mexico of children over three months old, and the priest explained in the record that the delay was caused by the fact that the rivers were so high that it prevented the child from

Smiley

Hola Chris

Well I was raised Catholic in Mexico. I got my confirmation when I
was 13 or 14, I do not remember exactly. The same thing happened to
my brother who is 3 years older. However, my oldest brothers and
sisters, as well as my parents, were confirmed on their childhood
soon after they were born. Once, I asked my grandma why I did not
have my confirmation when I was baptized, and she told me that in the
past, it was a common practice to confirm children before their
second birthday; however, some priests adviced the parents no to get
the confirmation at that age and wait until the child was 13 years
old, so that he/she could be able to understand the real meaning of
confirmation. I remember that I had to go to

Smiley

I appreciate all the help people have given me on my
questions.

In regard to the 'Expuestos" question, I did notice
that what followed the 'Expuestos' heading were a
series of names without last names or parental
information (unlike the regular baptism records). So
the notion that these children were abandoned makes
sense. This was for baptism records in the 1850s for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.

As for the Confirmations question, the timeframe I was
looking was for in the Tlaltenango records was 1895 or
so, so if I find

Hola Chris

Well I was raised Catholic in Mexico. I got my confirmation when I 
was 13 or 14, I do not remember exactly. The same thing happened to 
my brother who is 3 years older. However, my oldest brothers and 
sisters, as well as my parents, were confirmed on their childhood 
soon after they were born. Once, I asked my grandma why I did not 
have my confirmation when I was baptized, and she told me that in the 
past, it was a common practice to confirm children before their 
second birthday; however, some priests adviced the parents no to get 
the confirmation at that age and wait until the child was 13 years 
old, so that he/she could be able to understand the real meaning of 
confirmation. I remember that I had to go to saturday classes to 
prepare for my first communion for a couple years, and an extra year 
of classes to get my confirmation. 

After that year of studying, I received my confirmation from the 
bishop of Ciudad Guzman who put some oil on my forehead and then

I appreciate all the help people have given me on my
questions. 

In regard to the 'Expuestos" question, I did notice
that what followed the 'Expuestos' heading were a
series of names without last names or parental
information (unlike the regular baptism records). So
the notion that these children were abandoned makes
sense. This was for baptism records in the 1850s for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.

As for the Confirmations question, the timeframe I was
looking was for in the Tlaltenango records was 1895 or
so, so if I find anything I'll be sure to let you
know. 

Again, I really appreciate all the emails.

Chris Pineda

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> 
> No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and
> benefit from each 
> other's experiences.  I myself was born in
> Guadalajara and I was 
> confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a
> year of my 
> baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris'
> question was 
> related to an ancestor so I answered it according to
> the

No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and benefit from each 
other's experiences.  I myself was born in Guadalajara and I was 
confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a year of my 
baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris' question was 
related to an ancestor so I answered it according to the timeframe 
Chris was referring to (1800's or so) for a gggreat-grandfather.

The records I have examined for expuestos are pretty clear in the 
language they use that the child was abandoned.  They list no 
parents' names and the child is not given a surname.  They are also 
very specific as to the location where the child was left.  Such as, 
being left on the doorstep of Don Ygnacio Sánchez.  They also say 
the child is being baptized, not just blessed.  Thus, you find them 
in the baptismal books, as Chris did.

I also do not profess to be an authority on the subject, but only 
speak from my own limited experience.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Smiley 

I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take place at about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received. 

 

In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used to take place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to "Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed

Smiley

Hi Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the child's
life.  Shortly after baptism.

Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's
doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private
residence.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda
wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.  
>
> The problem is that

Smiley

I am so excited I know you can all hear me sing and dance. This afternoon I attended my first meeting for a newly formed group. It's called Los Caxcanes de Tlachichila and it falls under the purview of La Federacion de Clubes Zacatecanos de el Norte de California. Meaning that it is fully sanctioned by the Club Zacatecano which is affiliated with the 3x1 in Zacatecas and Mexico City.

 

Prior to tonights meeting the main method of communication and fundrasing was by word of mouth to a very small group of individuals who were continously taxed with raising money for the 3x1. For every dollar raised here,  the fedral government and the state of

http://groups.msn.com/LAGUNAGRANDEZACATECAS

Este espacio esta dedicado a las personas de "Laguna Grande", Monte
Escobedo, Valparaiso, Tepetongo, Huejucar, Jalpa, Etc.

well i just got back from the beach and promptly delayed in
unsubscribing one but proceeded to unsubscribe 5 individuals. I was
actually very happy that I got as much response as I did from those that
had not submitted their work. . .kinda makes me feel like people are
finding value in what we are doing in Ranchos and making and effort to
stay part of the group. I just want to thank everyone for their
participation and interest in the group. I started Ranchos to help me
and you all have been there ready to help many many times. thanks,

joseph

ps: Here is the letter I sent out to the 5 members

----------------

if you feel I've made a mistake contact me. otherwise you have been
unsubscribed from the Ranchos Group.

Joseph Puentes
Owner/Moderator

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Hi Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the child's 
life.  Shortly after baptism. 

Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's 
doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private 
residence. 

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda  wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.   
> 
> The problem is that this is the second time, where I
> haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
> born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
> born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
> moved there. 
> 
> Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
> timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
>  But I was also thinking that I could request the
> Confirmation records but I really have no idea

Hey all,

I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
born in Tlaltenango.  

The problem is that this is the second time, where I
haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
moved there.

Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
But I was also thinking that I could request the
Confirmation records but I really have no idea when
this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
not raised Catholic.

On another note, I've noticed a page after each year
of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by
a
ser

Hey all,

I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
born in Tlaltenango.   

The problem is that this is the second time, where I
haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
moved there. 

Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
 But I was also thinking that I could request the
Confirmation records but I really have no idea when
this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
not raised Catholic. 

On another note, I've noticed a page after each year
of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by a
series of names.  Does anyone know what this means?

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,

Chris Pineda


		
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