Esteban Muñoz’s real parents&nbsp;

Hello-----I am Jorge Andres Casarez (y Sanchez)

My genealogy education began when my parents shared the names of their parents and grand parents.

My mother born in DF/MXCD told me of her grandfather: Victoriano Sanchez Calderon. From Jilotepec, MX. In his family was someone who was Jewish and came from Aragon and Andorra.
My Father Andres Casarez was born in Pleasanton, Texas, told me of his father Frumencio Casarez born in Webb County Texas and his father Plutarco Casares who came from and was born in Real de Catorce, San Luis De Potosi, who was married to Felicita Zamorra who was una Huasteca.
- The Texas lineage mixes with Esparza of the Alamo and the Huizar who was a surveyor for the Missions in the San Antonio and Justicia at San Jose Mission.
And for many years that is all that I knew, then 25 years ago I started.
I am focusing on my Casarez ancestors. I have learned of the 1591 Tlaxcala Migration/Exodus/Quizaliztli of the soldiers and their families sent to Zacatecas and San

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Hello Andres. Esparza family

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Hello Jorge Andres,

I am your very distant relative through our Ruiz de Esparza’s lines. You can find many posts that I have made regarding our Esparza family in Nuestrosranchos.

You didn’t write much about your mother’s side of the family. I did a little research using the few clues that you provided.
Is this The death record of your maternal grandfather: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRK5-WKG?view=index&action=view&cc=1923424 ?

Rick A Ricci

A 1656 record

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I'm researching some of my family lines in San Luis Potosí, particularly some ancestors that were born there between 1640 and 1700, and I've found a couple conformed by Joan Estevan de Caceres and Luisa Cavallero, whose daughter Joanna was baptized in the same city on Oct. 27, 1656. They are mentioned as Spaniard neighbors of San Luis Potosí. Maybe there are more relatives lost among these records. The link is above. Good luck with your research.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG25-B1X?i=80&cc=1860864

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Greetings,

My name is Shamuwel. I am a descendant of Don Lope Ruiz De Esparza. Nice to meet you all !

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Hi Rick,I tried to see your…

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Hi Rick,

I tried to see your posts, but give me a moment to navigate the site as it is an enormous amount of content.

Thank you and nice to meet your acquaintance virtually !

Sham

Ruiz de Esparza

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Look up my past posts on Lope Ruiz de Esparza’s ancestors and descendants.

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

New member - Adriana Lopez

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Hola,

Gracias por aceptarme en este interesante grupo. Mi nombre es Adriana Lopez. Mis antepasados tambien han poblado la region del Bajio, he encontrado unos 200 nombres, algunos por comprobar. Me interesa informacion sobre esta region. Mis archivos los voy a ir anadiendo en https://nuestrosranchos.org/adilogue

disculpen la falta de acentos

Jalisco and Zacatecas Ancestors

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Hello all!

I have just recently (last 6 months) started looking into my family history. All four of my grandparents came to the US from Mexico between 1916 and 1922.

My father's paternal line is from Jalisco, mostly Lagos de Moreno and Etzatlan. I've hit a wall on his maternal side. I can't get beyond his mother's parents.

My mother's family is from Zacatecas. Her maternal line has roots in Sombrerete. But on her paternal line, I can't get beyond her grandparents.

I have subscribed to Ancestry, which has helped in addition to Family Search. Are there digital archives from these states/cities in Mexico that we can access? Would appreciate any tips.

Thanks!

Here is my folder: https://nuestrosranchos.org/monica_fisher

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K25R-F?view=index&pers…

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Macedonia baptism record....

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and I think this is Macedonia Rivas baptism record..... but I'm trying to find some other cross-reference before I link it. You can see grandparents here also.

Francisco Arroniz and Macedonia Rivas

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Thank you so much! I did find the birth record indicating Maria Luisa's parents were not married. Now to find Macedonia's baptism record with her parents and grandparents opens up so many doors to explore. Thank you again!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K25R-F?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A684K-TRBW&action=view

I think this is Macedonia Rivas' baptism record -

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I think that here mother's surname is Ramires.....so her name would be Macedonia Rivas Ramirez.....

I am not absolutely sure so I have not linked Maria Luisa Rivas/Arroniz..... if you are confident then I can tie them all together....

there is already quite a tree created if you want to look:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MTCJ-QYD

Thanks for the link to the…

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Thanks for the link to the tree. That really helps.

I filled out a bunch of your family tree.....

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go check it and see if I screwed anything up. I cannot find a direct link to Francisco Arroniz parents? Also he is named as "Jesus Arones" in the death certificate for Maria Luisa Pulido/Arronize/nee Rivas. Anyway...take a peek and either fix what you find or tell me what I messed up so I can fix it. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GLN8-LV6

At first glance the tree…

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At first glance the tree looks good. And I really appreciate your finding Maria Luisa's death certificate. I hadn't been able to find it which I found strange considering she died in Los Angeles. Also, we never knew for sure which type of cancer she had and now we see it was ovarian. Her father is still a mystery. Another person on Nuestros Ranchos told me Arroniz was not a common name in Jalisco/Ameca. So not even sure where he was born. Thanks again for your help.

Now I am wondering if Jesus was the real father???

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.....and Francisco was just the guy that brought the child in to report the birth? Cannot find any info on Francisco so maybe he made up a name? Should probably look for a Jesus Arronis/Arroniz (Jesus Arones on death registration) in Ameca or nearby areas.....

Have no idea where the name…

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Have no idea where the name Jesus came from. The few places her father's name is listed it's always Francisco.

But I did find a marriage record for Francisco Arroniz in D.F., Tacuba in 1922. It says he's 45 which squares with his being 21 when Maria Luisa was born. It lists his parents as Salvador Arroniz and Julia Yanez, originally from Ameca, Jalisco. So far I haven't been able to find any record connecting them with Francisco besides the marriage record. But I'll keep digging.

Have no idea where the name…

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Have no idea where the name Jesus came from. The few places her father's name is listed it's always Francisco.

I think this is her death…

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I think this is her death registration but I"m still following up on other cross-references. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PK2-6DR?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG72-4G2W&action=view

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PJ9-43H?view=index&pe…

I found Maria Luisa RIVAS birth record....

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She was an "hija natural" so there you are. Birth was reported by Francisco Arroniz, reportedly "soltero" (single), and the father is reported as "no conocido" (unknown father--I'm staring squinty-eyed at this commend since Francisco presented the child). The child was therefore given the Mothers surname. She was born in 1895 not 1899

Anyway...see below and while I was at it added more references to your trees.

Francisco Arroniz and Macedonia Rivas

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Thanks for your help, Rick. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any birth or baptismal record for my grandmother, Maria Luisa.

I did find a death record for Macedonia Rivas in Ameca. It lists her as single, not widowed. She would have been around 39 when she had my grandmother in 1898.

And I found a Francisco Arroniz in Ameca who had a large family with his wife, Elena. He would have been 40 when my grandmother was born. So it's a definite possibility that these two are my great grandparents, but who knows. I'll keep searching in the meantime.

Findings on Macedonia and Francisco

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Those two records that you found on Francisco and Macedonia are the very same ones that I found. I do believe that they are your ancestors. Let me know if you find other threads or clues.

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

Francisco Arroniz and Macedonia Rivas

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Hello Monica,

I have a possible reason as why you are stuck on your fathers maternal grandparents. It seems that they weren’t married to each other. A person with her name is listed on her death record as being single, and a person with his name is recorded with a wife with a different name. His name is not a common one in Jalisco, and especially in Ameca. I can trace both of these individuals ancestry back but before that is done it should be confirmed that these are the same people as your dads maternal grandparents. That can be done by getting your maternal grandmother’s birth record or baptismal record and searching for clues, threads, in those records.
Rick A. Ricci

New Member - Researching ancestors in Zacatecas

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Hello Everyone,

My name is Laura Villa and I am oringinally from Los Angeles County, California. My grandparents families come from Zacatecas. I have been working on gathering information, documents, and photos for over 15 years for our tree. I would be happy to share any information I have, and I would also love to connect with any relatives!

My grandfather was Manuel Jesus VILLA who spent most of his life in California. His parents were Margarito VILLA (born in 1881 in Juchipila son of Bruno Villa and Bernarda Perez) and his wife Maria ORTIZ (born in 1886 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter of Calixto Ortiz and Virginia Lara). Margarito and his wife moved back and forth between Mexico and California.

My grandmother was Soledad CASILLAS who was born in Nochistlan. Her parents were not married. They were Isidoro CASILLAS (born 1892 in Nochistlan, son of Severo Casillas Borroel and Daria Teran Tolentino) and Eusebia SOLIS (born 1895 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter or Bernabe Solis and Maximiana "Maxima

Hello from Chicago

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Hello, everyone. I’m new to the group and looking forward to collaborating with all of you. I have been working on my family tree on and off for about 10 years.

I have hit a wall on my paternal line and am hoping for guidance and suggestions on how to move my research forward. I cannot locate birth records or parents of Matias Lepe (possibly y Rodriguez?) born around 1698 in Cocula, Jalisco and married to Bernardina Espinoza. I cannot locate her birth records either.

I also need help tracing my Santana (Santa Ana) ancestors past Joseph Antonio Santana born about 1650 in Sayula, Jalisco and married to Juana Maria Lopez Bueso y Guerrero de Ocon.

Any help you are able to provide on these two ancestors is greatly appreciated!

Vicky

Mexico, Jalisco, Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara, dispensas matrimoniales y matrimonios de extranjeros; ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-DWRT-9?i=84&cat=2358531 (familysearch.org)

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Parents of Joseph de Santana's parents

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Hello,

Here is the "Informacion Matrimonial" of Joseph de Santana when he married Juana Lopez Bueso y Guerrero de Ocon:

In it we find out the parents of Jose de Santana as: Antonio de Santana cc Maria de Castro.

Hope this helps,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Antonio de Santana y Maria de Castro

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Mil gracias, Daniel! That dispensa was a hard one to decipher. I appreciate your help finding this information. Thank you for the link, as well!

Vicky

Lepe Research

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Very interesting, Lee! I am pretty sure your grandson’s wife and I likely have other shared ancestors (Brambilas, Santanas, etc. in both trees).

Thank you for the research leads. I’ve gone down the PARES rabbit hole more times than I care to admit. Such a treasure trove! I always end up getting distracted with fascinating finds and end up in a tangled web! I have much to learn still and you have given me such great ideas. Thank you so much!

Vicky

Lepe Research - Possible research leads

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Vicky,

I have had some luck with various Mexico research with notorial records, wills, and padrons; although I have not checked if the Cocula area is available online and/or at libraries. I have also had some luck with sifting through Michoacan records, but most older records are not yet indexed. Also PARES records are available, but again have not researched the Lepe surname much yet. There are likely others that often check into this site that can elaborate further.

Here is the linage of Alejandra Zermeno (wife of my grandson):

Mathias Lepe b. Circa 1695, of Cocula, Jalisco, Mexico, d. 17 May 1779, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Joseph Toribio "Thoribio" Lepe b. 16 Apr 1732, Cocula, Jalisco, Mexico, d. 2 Feb 1807, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Jose Maria de Jesus Lepe b. 18 Oct 1774, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, d. Bef 31 Oct 1864
Jose Timoteo de Jesus Lepe b. 24 Aug 1842, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, d. 22 Jun 1892, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Maria Juana Lepe b. Circa 1866, Tecolotlan

Mathias Lepe

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Vicky, Welcome to our group!. I know this will not be of any help, but have the same brick wall with regard to Mathias Lepe and Bernardina Espinosa. My grandson recently married to Alejandra Zermeno, and her family also links back to Mathias and Bernardina through Joseph Toribio Lepe and Manuela Brambila. Alejandra's Zermeno family settled in Juchitlan, Jalisco. I have not had a lot of time to research this family, but if I find any clues on the parentage of Mathias, I will post on this forum. Lee

Mathias Lepe

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Hi Lee. Thank you for the kind welcome. I admire the great work of this group. While I’m not a professional genealogist or historian by trade, I have developed a great interest and respect for both fields.

Mathias Lepe is my 6th GG and would love to trace my paternal surname past his generation. Are there any source documents that may not have been indexed yet that I can work on? I have looked and looked for years and keep coming up empty handed. I’d love any and all ideas anyone may be able to offer.

My ancestors through that line are:

Mathias Lepe: ~1698, Cocula, Jalisco

Geronimo Lepe Espinoza: Oct 2, 1723, Cocula, Jalisco (interestingly, his death certificate says he died in a desert)

Juan Clemente Lepe Agras: Nov 29, 1752, Tecolotlan, Jalisco

Jose Anastacio de la Trinidad Lepe Zamora: Jan 29, 1795, Tecolotlan, Jalisco

Jose Bruno de Jesus Lepe Brambila: Oct 5, 1838, Tecolotlan, Jalisco

Agustin Lepe Gomez, Aug 29, 1869, Ayutla, Jalisco

Jose Salvador Lepe Santana, May 14, 1900, Ayutla

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I wanted to introduce myself to the forum. I'm Raymundo Muñoz from Brownsville, Texas. I've been researching (since COVID lockdown) about my fathers paternal side of the family since i know very little from about them and am wanting to know more since that's the last name I carry.

A few things that I know about my grandfather is that he originated in Teocaltiche, Jalisco and then moved to Matamoros area (supposedly fleeing Jalisco for beating up the son of his boss) where he married my grandmother and then immigrated to Huntsville, Texas. If you can see the attachment, it is confirmed (by my father) that his Pablo Muñoz and Virginia de Anda Quesada. If anyone can help confirm that if I am in the right path and lastly if anyone has any information on Jose Maria Muñoz and his spouse Pascuala Gutierrez.

Thank you,

Raymundo

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I have a Jose Esteban Munoz…

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I have a Jose Esteban Munoz who was baptized on 3 Aug 1863 in Zapotiltic, Jalisco. His parents were Antonio Munoz and Ponciana Guerra. Feel free to contact me at pcenteno@razzolink.com

Paul

Panfilo Ramirez Escotos and…

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Esteban Muñoz’s real parents

The closest that I am related is through the Reynoso. Maria del Carmen Reynoso is a descendant of Sebastian Reynoso Renteria and Francisca Ramirez de Hermosillo who I also descend from.

Lee Ingram has the correct parents for Esteban Muñoz. The evidence is in the baptismal records of Pablo Muñoz and Virginia De Anda’s children.

Esteban’s parents are Trinidad Munoz (Jose George de la Trinidad Munoz de Lopez Nava) and Teodocia Losa.

Esteban and Celerina (Selerina, Enedina) Ramirez are parents of Pablo Munoz that was baptized 7 March 1880 in San Miguel el Alto. He was listed as born in Derramadero (Jalisco). https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GPW7-Q?cc=1874591

Rick A. Ricci

Munoz Anda Family

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Raymundo,

Welcome to our group! You list Pablo Munoz (born around 1886 in Jalisco) as the son of Esteban Munoz (Guerra) and Enedina Ramirez. You also list Esteban as the son of Francisco Munoz and Hipolita Guerra. Esteban Munoz Guerra was baptized 3 ago. 1889 (3 Aug 1889) Señor de la Ascensión, Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, México. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR9H-H?cc=1874591&wc=3J6X-16N%3A173503201%2C173503202%2C173770403 : 16 February 2017), Unión de San Antonio > Señor de la Ascensión > Bautismos 1888-1890 > image 231 of 382

Unless there were two Esteban's within the same family, I do not believe Francisco Munoz Gutierrez and Hipolita Guerra were Esteban's parents.

However there is a Esteban Munoz (Lopez Nava) that married Celerina Ramirez on 10 Feb 1879 in San Miguel el Alto. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTXP-J?cc=1874591

Esteban was listed as from Saucillo (Jalisco). I believe Celerina was from Derramadero (Jalisco). I noticed Enedina was

Hello, finally got around to…

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Hello, finally got around to looking into it. I think you are correct. The discrepancy that I found is like you said. I have found 3 different names for Enedina, Celerina, and Senorina. I have also seen 2 different spellings for Esteban vs Estevan.

I have also found little to no information regarding my paternal grandparent Salvador Muñoz whose parents were Pablo Muñoz and Virginia Anda.

I only found 1 baptism record of my aunt (still living so won’t name her) in Teocaltiche, Jalisco that names my grandfather Salvador Muñoz. Her parents (my grandparents) Salvador Muñoz and Alicia Castilleja.

Thanks!

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/MVQ3-H5M

Maria Pasquala Gutierrez

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Maria Pasquala Gutierrez is the daughter of Eleuterio Gutierrez and Maria de San Jose Hurtado. She is baptized on 23/May/1819 buried on 25/June/1857. Her husband Jose Maria Muñoz is listed as still living.

https://www.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2/3:1:9392-5MCN-H/dist.jpg?ctx=CrxCtxPublicAccess&header=Content-Disposition&headerValue=attachment%3B%20filename%3Drecord-image_.jpg

Rick A. Ricci

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Greetings,

Thank you for accepting me into this group and on facebook. My name is Alma Contreras and my family on my mother's side is from a small town named Mala Noche, Zacatecas, Mexico in the municipity Valparaiso. My grandmother is from San Jose de llanetes and grandfather from mala noche. I'm interested in our indigenous background. Who our ancestors are and which tribe.