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If any of you ever go to downtown Ciudad of Zacatecas? And you pass through the hotel, "Meson Del Jobito?" There are two large paintings of the Second Conde and his wife of the Hacienda of San Mateo on the wall near the receiptionist. We have seen it when my woman and me took a short cut through the block by passing through the hotel. When I saw those paintings, I told my woman who they are.

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2niz90p.jpg

Here is the website of Meson Del Jobito Hotel:

http://www.mesondejobito.com.mx/index.php/tour-virtual

He estado investigando, desde hace 7 años el àrbol genealogico de el apellido De Garibaldo. He llegado hasta diez generaciones atraz y estoy detenido a causa de que ya no encuentro registros. El ùltimo que tengo es del Matrimonio de Lorenzo De Garibaldo con Catalina Sorita, efectuado en enero de 1660 en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara. Hay alguien que me pudiese ayudar?

Hola a todos,

I recently traced my ancestry to Sebastian Merino and Thomasa de la Cruz (Rodriguez?) from Aguascalientes. I descend from them through their daughter Rosa Maria de Arenas who married Juan Salado de Aguilar.
Here is the burial info of my ancestor Rosa Maria de Arenas:

Name: Rosa Maria Arenas
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 29 Aug 1738
Burial Place: Aguas Calientes
Birthplace: Aguas Calientes
Race: Black
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name: Juan Salado
Father's Name: Sebastian Merino
Mother's Name: Thomasa De La Cruz

Now, at first I thought that this Sebastian Merino was the same Sebastian who was son of Bernabe Merino and Maria Gutierrez, but then I read on his testament that this Sebastian was married three times: first with Juana del Castillo, then to Maria de Jaen and lastly to Nicolasa Ruiz de Esparza. He never mentions his marriage with Thomasa de la Cruz (Rodriguez?).

Here is the link to the testament:
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Merino-11

But then, on the last paragraph of his testament he states that a piece of land should be given to his "hijos naturales" Nicolas Merino and Sebastian de Arenas. His last son made me suspect that he has to be somewhat related to my ancestor Rosa Maria de Arenas.

Then, I found the burial info of Sebastian de Arenas (he has the same parents of Rosa Maria de Arenas). I believe this Sebastian de Arenas is the one on Sebastian Merino's testament.
Name: Sebastian Arenas
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 16 Jan 1748
Burial Place: Aguascalientes
Birthplace: Aguascalientes
Race: Black
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Sebastian Arenas
Mother's Name: Thomasa De La Cruz

Now, this got more confusing because I ended up finding the marriage record and marriage dispensation of Sebastian Merino (de Arenas) and Thomasa Rodriguez, not sure if it is the same Thomasa de la Cruz. They married on 13 Nov 1689 in Aguascalientes. On his dispensation he is "hijo exposito."

Here is la dispensa:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-32133-10?cc=1874591&wc…

Hello all,

I saw a previous topic about what possibly happened to the records pre 1800 for Juchipila and I would like your help in working my Enriquez line in Amoxochitl.

The last one ends with Sixto Enriquez and Manuela Reynoso both born around 1800.

Thank you!

Emilie, looks like, APOSILCO.

Hola Members/Primos , I am a little confused . I have a Micaela Garcia married to Cristobal Ramirez -(marriage date I cant find) with the following children:
1) Maria Yanuaria Garcia born Sept.22,1814 in San Juan de Los Lagos
Bautismos-San Juan de Los Lagos -1809-1816 Image # 349 -padres no conocidos
2) Maria Petra Ramirez Garcia born Oct. 28,1823 in San Miguel el Alto
Bautismos-San Miguel el Alto 1821-1832 Image # 107
3) Felipe de Jesus Garcia Ramirez born Feb. 11,1828 in San Miguel el Alto
Bautismos-San Miguel el Alto 1821-1832 Image # 330
4)Yrineo Garcia Ramirez born July 08, 1832i in San Miguel el Alto
Bautismos-San Miguel el Alto 1821-1832 Image # 670

All state with the exception of one that the Abuelos Paternos-Ygnacio Garcia and Rafaela de La Torre and Rafaela de La Torre- which are the Parents of Micaela Garcia.
The problem is I also have a Micaela Garcia daughter of Ygnacio Garcia and Rafaela de la Torre married to Vicente Reynoso 16, of Sept. 1799 in Guadalajara with children born from the years of 1806 thru 1823.
I am thinking maybe Ygnacio Garcia and Rafaela de La Torre had 2 Micaelas with different first or middle names . Any thoughts ?
Ronnie el Confundido

Can someone tell me what the village or town is where M. Buena Haro was born?

Her baptism is listed at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18104-37688-22?cc=1883377&wc…
This is in Nayarit, in La Yesca church, bautizmo Oct 21, 1894, image 646. Her parents were Antonio Haro and Rosa Romero.
The image is the 2nd one down on the left side.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

I am a member of Nuestros Ranchos and I am interesting in buying the following books… Does any of you know how I could get them or if someone at Nuestros Ranchos would have copies to sell?

1. Los Protocolos de Rodrigo Hernandez Cordero
2. Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia by Mariano González Leal

Thanks so much,
Ivan Gallo
(650) 996-5383
ivan.gallo@icloud.com

Me interesa adquirir los libros:

1.- la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
2.- Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (tomo 1 y tomo 3)

Alguien me podría indicar donde podría conseguirlos?

Raul Hurtado Pérez

My Great Grandfather (1851? - 1923) owned this whole mountain called, "Cerro Blanco" it is the mountain with the flat surface directly in the middle of the photo. He also owned the flats surrounding at the base of the mountain in the front side directly towards you on the photo. He supposedly sold it to the "Torres family sometime after the revolution. I already know what my Great Grandfather owned. When I went to visit the "Cerro Blanco" with an uncle. We went to the right side of the Cerro Blanco where there is an incline to go up the mountain. We explored the top of the mountain, while my uncle was telling me so many things about my Great Grandfather, what he owned, the talk of the town, etc. Then we walked to towards the left of the mountain until we got to the edge and we had a view of the other mountains off in the distance including the "Cerro De Huistle" mountain. All the time my uncle showing me areas in the Cerro Blanco and telling me so many things about my great grandfather. We walked back towards towards the right side of the mountain and began walking down the incline. At one spot, near the incline there is a tall cylindar stone shaped column standing up with a large bowl like depression on the top of the column. From the inclinde of the mountain we were walking on, we both jumped to the top of the stone column and stood on the bowl like depression which is about 10 feet in diameter. My uncle showed me these weird writings and symbols carved along the edges of the bowl like depression. I could not understand what they were or what was the purpose of that tall stone column. Seems like it was there during ancient times and man made.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/sy6rsp.jpg

I found this document that was written by Calixto Madera (1851? - 1923)in August 4, 1893 about the production of Honey in our town:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/otnnd3.jpg

I have been a group member for a couple of years and have enjoyed the
discussion on a number of topics. While I consider myself to be an active
genealogist, I have been limited (with some exceptions) to exploring the
areas of Tamazula de Gordiano and Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco. These Jalisco
connections are my father's side. The other long strand of family comes
from Sinaloa. That work is much like the work of Jalisco--mostly church
records of baptisms and marriages.

My sense is that opening up to the other two states, Colima and Nayarit,
will not produce great numbers of people because most 20th century
immigration to the U.S. has come from the areas of Jalisco, Zacatecas,
Michoacan, Guanajuato, Sonora and other northern states. The coastal
communities of Sinaloa, Colima and Nayarit do not have as many descendants
as the other areas.

The organizers of the site should have the greatest say in this as they do
the bulk of the work. They are the ones who will feel any new work load.
For me, I read the subject matters and decide whether I will follow the
thread of the message or topic. It may be I do not use the site the way it
was intended and I am unaware of the gold that lies beneath the surface.

Hay 'sta mis dos centavos!
Juan Manuel Carrillo

Here are my thoughts:

I don't like the idea of advertising the group as focusing on additional states; however, if a conversation topic leads to Nayarit, Colima, or perhaps Durango (there was a unified zone with Zacatecas in the 1600's) as an offshoot of having ancestry from our original focus area, I would not put a stop to it. There is no point in stopping a conversation that might be helpful to researchers.

For example, I found some of my ancestors from Durango listed in Zacatecas notarial records that were listed on Nuestros Ranchos, but I would not suggest we now include Durango in the Nuestros Ranchos forum. At the same time, I would hope that I would not be stopped if I asked others if they had encountered one of my ancestor's names while researching. I think the key here is to remain flexible without expanding the group too much.

Alice

I’ve just accepted a person into the group whose ancestors come from La
Yesca, Jalisco (now Nayarit). As I previously stated I’m not going to
interfere with discussion related to the states of Nayarit and/or Colima.
The website/internet representation of the NR group will remain “For those
doing research in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes”. I don’t expect
the atmosphere of the group to change very much but if it does I’ll revisit
my decision at that time.

Solo he aceptado a una persona en el grupo cuyos antepasados provienen de La
Yesca, Jalisco (ahora Nayarit). Como afirmé anteriormente no voy a
interferir con la discusión relacionada con los Estados de Nayarit o Colima.
La representación de sitio web/internet del grupo NR permanecerá "para
aquellos que hacen investigación en Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes".
No creo que la atmósfera del grupo va a cambiar mucho, pero si lo hace yo a
reconsiderar mi decisión en aquel momento.

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

since I dont have relatives in those states I dont really care.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:11 PM,
wrote:

for Joseph and Rosalia
I found a brother the Ana de la Trinidad Garcia and the information on the record is part of the history of the district of Jerez, Zac and I thought the people from the television show research Feliciana Ceballos might want to add it if it's not too late.Also my Spanish isn't what it should be so I would appreciate you reading the records again to make sure I did not record it incorrectly
Linda in Olympia, Wa.
.
marriage dispensation requested 5 June 1795 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Bernardo Garcia Espanol from Monte de Garcias age 24
parents: Juan Pioquinto and Polonia Villegas both living
with Polonia de la Cruz Huisar Espanola from Mercado age 18
parents: Josef Guisar and Decideria de la Cruz both deceased
marriage dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
........trunk.....Juan Garcia and Ysabel Gutierres
Marcelino Garcia..............Pascuala Garcia..1st degree
Pioquinto Garcia..............Lasara Hurtado...2nd degree
Jose Bernardo Garcia...Decideria de la Cruz..3rd degree
...............................................Polonia Cruz Huisar...4th degree
witness: Ancelmo Diaz Espanol age 76 from Jerez said:
the trunk Juan Garcia is from the line of the baron who were the originators of Saus de Garcias, Monte de Garcias and el Mercado.
source: 168037 Sagrada Mitra film
page 40
.
also:
marriage dispensation requested in Jerez, Zac
Jose Julian Garcia Espanol from Saus de los Garcias age 48
widower of Maria Marcela Caldera 5 years buried in Jerez
parents: Bernardo Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Sotelo
with: Maria Feliciana Zeballos Espanola from El Durasno age 44
widow of Luciano Caldera 8 years buried in Jerez
parents: Agustin Zeballos and Rita Bermudes both deceased
marriage dispensation 3rd degree
.......trunk......Unknown Garcia
Juan Garcia Gutierres....Juan Garcia el menor..1st degree
Bernardo Garcia..............Ana Garcia....2nd degree
Julian Garcia......................Luciano Caldera...3rd degree
source: 168139 film
page 774
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-94550-39?cc=1874591&wc…
.

What are the good reasons and bad reasons to open up the group to the states
of Nayarit and Colima? Can y’all generate some discussion on that topic?
Let’s hear the pros and cons.

Do you think that opening the group to those doing research in Nayarit and
Colima would suddenly open the group to vast numbers of new members? Would
the discussions wildly go into topics that would alienate the current
membership? There are many members of the group that rarely speak out.
Please consider stepping into this discussion. I’d like feel the groups
pulse on this thought.

¿Cuáles son las razones buenas y las razones malas para abrir el grupo a los
Estados de Nayarit y Colima? ¿Ustedes pueden generar alguna discusión sobre
ese tema? Escuchemos los ideas buenas/malas de ese tema.

¿Crees que si abrimos el grupo a aquellos que hacen investigación en Nayarit
y Colima abriría grandes cantidades de nuevos miembros al grupo? ¿Las
discusiones iría en temas que podría alienar a los miembros actuales? Hay
muchos miembros del grupo que rara vez hablan. Por favor considere entrar en
esta discusión. Me gustaría sentir el pulso del grupo en este pensamiento

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

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My ggggggg grandparents "Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709?) and Maria De La Candelaria" were at "Minillas of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico" I know they had 2,000 hectares in 1698, until his great grandson (my gggg grandfather) Francisco Madera (1723 - 1790) showed up in "Rancho De Los Madera's of Huejuquilla.

I found this map of the area and it shows that Minillas is a mining area. I wonder if mining was done there back in the 1600's.

http://mapserver.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/tematicas/…

Here is a picture where you can see, "Minillas" on the map. If you look to upper left corner. You will see "Bajio De Madera's. In town of Huejuquilla there are two Rancho Madera's. "Bajio De Madera's and San Jose De Madera's."

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2lw4qdg.jpg

I'm OK with opening up the group to include: Nayarit, sinaloa, Michoacan
and guanajuato. My ancestors were from Jalisco, Guanajuato, Michoacan,
Aguacalientes. I still have family in: Jalisco, Michoacan, Guanajuato,
some have migrated to Sinaloa, and to the USA, namely, Texas,
Colorado, Indiana, Illinois, California, Arizona.

I am bias to Jalisco, Michoacan, Guanajuato. However, I will defer the
decision to the older members of this group, since I joined about a year
ago.

Perhaps, a subgroup should be formed to specialize in the evolution of
Nueva Galacia which would include migration or the creation of Sinaloa,
etc.

Or "Decendants of Nueva Galicia. " Just a thought, or leave the group "as
is."
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Some of the names of the ranches in Jalisco are rather interesting. My grandfather was identified as being from La Jabonera, San Juan de los Lagos when he married. I looked up the definition of La Jabonera and it means soapdish. I then saw on Google Maps that there was a La Jabonera in San Juan de Los Lagos, as well as Lagos de Moreno. This left me confused, because an aunt once told me our Campos family had land in Lagos de Moreno, yet christening/wedding records say La Jabonera, San Juan de Los Lagos. Did the people of Lagos de Moreno use the church in San Juan de Los Lagos? Also, does anybody know why a ranch would have a name like soapdish? I would love to figure out which is the right ranch and view it using Google Maps.  

Alice

My mother's family came from Mezquitic Jalisco. She is 86 years old and she tells me that in years that were dry (drought) many families would move to other places. One popular place was Nayarit. Some families would return after the droughts, but others would remain in Nayarit. Her family eventually moved to Nayarit and I remember visiting my grandparents as a child and they had many friends from Mezquitic living in Nayarit. My grandparents moved there so their kids could continue with their studies, so that is another reason why some jalicienses moved to Nayarit.

Sent from my iPhone

An applicant to the group says this:

"La Yesca municipality in Nayarit which was a part of Jalisco in the 19th
century"

Can someone please send me a list of places that historically were part of
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes but are in other states now?

Thanks for your help

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Joeseph, as far as I am concerned we should open the group to persons doing research in Nayarit and Colima , as well as Zacatecas, Aguascalientes. Since those states belonged in the kingdom of Nueva Galicia during the pre independence of Mexico.
Remember that one of first founding of Guadalajara was in Zacatecas and also in Compostela, Nayarit.

Thanks

Jose A Torre ( De La Torre )

Sent from my iPad

I am reading Lope Ruiz de Esparza's entry on Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias Volumen VII, and comparing it with the original document posted here on nuestros ranchos, thanks to Arturo Ramos. I'm just curious, where on the internet can you browse through these books of "Contratacion"? I am not that familiar with the PARES website, so I'm not really sure how to look for these documents if they are available at all online.

Steve in NC

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Friends,

Anyone with members from the vast Pelayo family surely can trace their roots to Miguel Cayetano Villegas Pelayo and Maria Lucia Angela Vidro Lopez Andrade. But the family of Matriarch, Lucia Angela, has remained elusive as we have never found a marriage or birth for her. I may have resolved the family links, but it is confusing and complicated so I am presenting my findings so that others can confirm or disprove what I believe to be true and possibly add other data.

The Dispensa of Alejo Rafael Pelayo and Lina del Carmel Lopez
Dated: 28 January, 1804 is important primarily because it
provides us the succession of names for Lucia's maternal line (however I believe the tree is erroneous in the connection to Antonio Lopez). In researching Lazaro and Eugenio I learned that they also used the names Lopez and Toscano interchangeably.

Geneological Tree: Antonio Lopez
Lazaro----------------------------------Lucia
Eugenio---------------------------------Francisca
Nicolas---------------------------------Lucia
Lina------------------------------------Alexo
(Bride) (Groom)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-25472-12?cc=1874591&wc…

The key Dispensa that was most helpful to me is for Jose Maria Ponse and Maria Nepocemia Luna dated: 23 March, 1819.
Genealogical Tree: Domingo Lopez/Lucia Toscano

Quiteria Lopez-------Sisters------Francisca Lopez
Agustina Rosa Padilla-------------Rosa Vidro
Jose Luis Ponse-------------------Celia Luna
Jose Maria Ponse------------------Maria Nepocemia Luna

This tree gives us the specific names of Domingo Lopez and Lucia Toscano

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-31173-11176-8?cc=1937239&…

The marriage for: Domingo Lopez and Lucia Toscano took place on 8 February, 1701
in Tecolotlan. It is important to note that Lucia also uses the name Solis and her parents are listed as: Francisco Luis Toscano
Isabel de Zuniga