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Pasajeros a Indias de Liébana y sus valles circundantes 1503 - 1790

según la documentación del Archivo General de Indias

José María González-Cotera Guerra

Marzo, 2005
http://www.liebana.org/

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http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
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Durante muchos años la genealogía de los Llanos de Valdés de Juanactic,
sabían que eran descendientes de Juan José Llanos de Valdés, pensando que
era Juan José de Llanos Y Valdés nació en 1652, en Jerez los
Genealogistas no se ponían de acuerdo sobre aceptar esta premisa, que si
era que si no era , y no es hasta el año pasado que el señor Pinedo Valdés
entra en contacto conmigo que reviso la información que yo tengo con la del
y logro ubicar a los papas de Pedro José Porque el me da los nombres y
tenemos su registro de familyserch de matrimonio, entonces se logra ubicar
como hijo de Juan Joseph Llanos de Valdés de Godoy nació en Jerez de García
Salinas, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil el 26 Julio 1714 ,
Resulta que si eran descendientes de Juan José pero de un Juan José que
nació 62 años después del Juan José en discusión, solo falta ubicar copias
de de actas para asegura ,

*Primera generación*

1.* Pedro José Llanos de Valdés Fernández*. de *Juanactic* Municipio
de Villa Guerrero en el Estado de Jalisco

*Segunda generación*

* *

2.* Juan Joseph Llanos de Valdes de Godoy* nació en Jerez de Garcia
Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico y tuvo su bautismo infantil el 26 Julio 1714 en
Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Él murió en Jerez de Garcia
Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Juan se casó con Margarita Fernandez de Miranda
el 4 Agosto 1744 en Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico.

3.* Margarita Fernandez de Miranda* nació en Jerez de Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, Mexico y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Jerez de Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, Mexico. Ella murió en Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico

*Tercera generación*

* *

4.* Salvador de Llanos Y Valdes* nació en Jerez de Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, Mexico y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Jerez de Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, Mexico. Él murió en Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Salvador se casó Antonia Carlos de Godoy.

5.* Antonia Carlos de Godoy* nació en Desconocido y tuvo su bautismo
infantil en Desconocido. Ella murió en Desconocido.

*Cuarta generación*

* *

Please keep in mind that the Research list
(research@nuestrosranchos.org) is for communication directly related to
our research in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes

There is a lot more flexibility of discussion on the General list
(general@nuestrosranchos.org) which can accommodate brief flurries of
discussion on areas outside of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
and for general genealogical topics.

The Announce list (announce@nuestrosranchos.org) is strictly for
announcements.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Has anyone come across this family in research

Jose Desiderio Velasco born c 1820

Maria Ana Montenegro b 1826

their son Martiniano Velasco b. 1847

The 1870 census for Santa Cruz County, California shows there birthplace as
Guadalajara. They came to California in 1855, where nine more children were
born.

Jose and Maria ( or Mariana) were thought to have returned to Mexico before
1900.

Eric Robledo Edgar

Si, la herencia es algo curioso y en mi familia ha cambiado muy poco de
los tiempos antiguos. Mi padre que fue el mas chico de los hombres
heredo nada y por eso se vino a los Estados Unidos con los otros dos
hermanos. El Rancho que estuvo en la familia de mi padre sigue en
nombre de mi primo que fue el unico hijo del mayor de los hermanos de mi
Papa. Por eso la historia es muy interesante--porque se repite.

Por parte de mi Mama, el rancho quedo en nombre de un tio. El no fue el
mayor porque el mayor decidio irse a la ciudad de Mexico y crio su
familia alla. A mi Mama como mujer le toco muy poco porque estaba en
los Estados Unidos cuando murio su Padre.

A veces parece injusto pero en nuestra experiencia fue mejor que mi
padre haya immigrado. Tres de los cuatro tenemos educacion
universitaria. De los primos que se criaron en el D.F., cuatro de los
cinco tienen educacion universitaria. Quizas si mi padre y tio hayan
heredado los ranchos, tendriamos otro fin...como rancheros!

Yes, inheritance is interesting and in my family, things have changed
very little from ancient times. My father was the youngest male and
inherited nothing which is why he immigrated to the U.S. like his other
two brothers. The ranch which had been in his family is currently owned
by my male cousin who was the only son of my father's oldest brother.
This is why history is interesting--it repeats itself.

As far as my mother, the ranch is owned by one of my uncles. He is not
the oldest because the oldest decided to go to Mexico City and raise his
family there. My mother as a woman received very little because she was
in the U.S. when her father died.

Sometimes it seems unfair, but in our experience, it was best that my
father immigrated. Three out of four of us have college degrees. From
the Mexico City cousins, four out of five have college degrees. It's
possible that if my father and uncle had inherited the family ranches,
we would have had a different fate... as country folks!

Irma Gomez Gtz.
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I've just come across Casiyas as a form of Casillas (which is also treated
as a distinct surname by FamilySearch). I was wondering if those who
regularly research the Casillas surname frequently run across this variant.
Its an obvious variant but one that I hadn't considered. I've run into
Cacillas before. Are there other variants?

I have just become aware that FamilySearch.org makes a distinction between
the "...cia" and the "...sia" forms of this name. It is my impression that
these names are interchangeable. The first "c" is sometimes an "s", but
that passes the "exact spelling:off" screen, but not the second "c" or "s".
Basically, that means one has to look-up both forms of the name when
researching.

Is anyone familir with Matansas Jalisco area?

estos achivos los tengo en pdf, menos los Dicionarios que no los puedo combertir a pdf, PEROMM SERIAN PARA EL FORO NO PARA MANDAR INDIVIDUALMENTE POR CORREO
Pasajeros a Indias de Liébana y sus valles circundantes 1503 - 1790
Monografia de Jerez Zacatecas
Monografia de Zacatecas
Tratado de Heraldica
Analisis Geodemografico de los apellidos en mexico
Diccionario Heraldico
Letras heraldicas para escribir en pc
Dos hojas de los decendientes de moctezuma del Archivo de Pares
Los Cuatro Diccionarios novohispanos de tomas hillerkuss en word aunque fue un regalo y no se si seria etico regalarlos mas adelante

Arturo Ramos y Bil Figueroa, pudieron convertir el bak de Bernanrdino
fernandes de velasco, del siglo 14
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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
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que ramos la pagina esta fallando

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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
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*

Cayetano de La Vega* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico se
casó con *-Luisa Antonia Ramirez*. -Luisa nació en Rincón de Romos,
Auguascalientes, Mexico
*

Francsco de Chaves* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se
casó con *-Teresa Garcia*. -Teresa tuvo su bautismo infantil en Rincón de
Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.
*

-Jacinto Castañeda* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se
casó con *-Maria Gertrudis Martinez*. -Maria nació en Rincón de Romos,
Auguascalientes, Mexico
*

Vicente Luebana* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se casó
con *-Ana Martinez*. -Ana nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico
*

Manuel Romo de Vivar* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.

se casó con *-Maria Gertrudis Luera*. -Maria nació en Rincón de Romos
Auguascalientes, Mexico.
*

Manuel Antonio Femad* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.casó
con *-Maria Josefa Esparza*. -Maria nació en Rincón de Romos,
Auguascalientes, Mexico.
*

Francisco Garcia* nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Juana
Silveria Gil*. -Juana nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
*

-Joachin Pedrosa*. Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Maria
Antonia Sanchez*. Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico
*

Marcelo de La Torre* nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó
con *-Gertrudis
de Araisa*. nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*

Juan de Luna* nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Juana
de Arce*. -Juana nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*

Felipe Diaz* nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Josefa Medina* el
15 Febrero 1705 en El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*

Francisco Cardona* nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Luisa
Gonsales*. -Luisa nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*

Diego Romo de Vivar* tuvo su bautismo infantil en 1550 en Rielves, Toledo,
España.se casó con *-Catalina Perez*. -Catalina nació en Rielves, Toledo,
España
*

Juan De Molina* tuvo su bautismo infantil en Triana Sevilla, Andalucía,
España.se casó con *-Elvira Marquez*. -Elvira tuvo su bautismo infantil en
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Estimados amigos quiero saber si se esta planeando una reonión de Historia y Genealogía en Los Altos como la hubo en Valle de Guadalupe en el 2008, me gustaría poder cooperar de cualquier forma y proponer sea en San Miguel el Alto y con una mayor duración y actividad académica.

Hasta pronto.

Lic. Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

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en Google en la seccion de libros se encuentra un libro para ver casi esta completo y se encuentra en ingles sobre
The Encomenderos of New Spain, 1521-1555 Escrito por Robert Himmerich y Valencia

1823. Jalisco, formerly a Province, is elevated to the status of State. The Jalisco of 1823 is considerably larger than the Jalisco of today, including regions that are today in the states of Nayarit, Colima and Zacatecas.
I found this in a historical journal regarding the state of Jalisco
 
El ano 1823, se eleva Jalisco como estado, siendo anteriormente solo una provincia. El Jalisco de 1823 siendo mas grande de lo que es hoy. Incluia regiones de Nayarit, Colima y Zacatecas.
 
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

Las Genealogías de Jerez Zacatecas siempre serán inconclusas.
Serán inconclusas por la extracción de archivos de la iglesia, según consta en documento presentado en el libro de Filigranas, Fundaciones y Genealogías del Sr José León Robles de la Torre en el tomo de Jerez, Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, en la pagina 60, donde dice que el día 5 de julio de 1867, a nombre de gobierno del estado se le entregaran los libros, en total fueron 96 en total, 56 de bautismos, 22 de matrimonio, y 18 de defunciones. Los cuales aparentemente fueron quemados e la revolución, para poder avanzar en nuestra genealogía solo nos queda seguir buscando en los archivos de la sagrada mitra que no fueron consultados por la genealogista Doña luz Montejano, no se si alguien sepa mas de esto

Navegando en internet me encontre un gedcom de Bernardino de Velazco el supuesto padre de Diego, nadamas que es muy pesado 18,852 lo que seria el bak, pero poca gente que desiende de diego lo tiene, como podria compartirlo

I updated my file on my DE ESCOBEDO ancestral line down to and including my parents

Hola a todos,
Con los árboles genealógicos de Uds y un análisis de ADN podrian ayudar a otras personas. Desde el 9 de Junio hasta el 24 de Junio www.familytreedna.com tiene un descuento de mas de 50% de análisis de ADN Y-DNA37+mtDNA por US$119 para los que participan en cualquier proyecto. Recomiendo que participen en en el proyecto México-DNA usando el siguiente enlace - http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Mexico-DNA
El administrador del grupo tiene una fantástica página en http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm y tambien un foro en http://www.ybase.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=511
El envio internacional solo son US$6 extra. Si necesitan traducción de íngles a español estoy a sus ordenes.
Saludos

Hello everyone,
Using your family trees and a DNA analysis you could help a lot of people out. From June 9 to June 24 there is a %50 discount on Y-DNA37+mtDNA for US$119 for participants in any group project. I recommend joining the Mexico-DNA project at http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Mexico-DNA
The admin has a great site at http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm and also a forum at http://www.ybase.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=511
International orders are only US$6 extra.
Saludos

Hi All, I am wondering if anyone has any San Miguel El Alto films on Loan or are located at their local FHC.

I have this line that I can find possibly the grandparents of one ancestor, since I dont have the marriage of the parents.

María Jesús Gutiérrez de la Cruz
24 June 1829
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, México
Hija de Pedro Gutiérrez y Isidra de la Cruz

Many Thanks,
Daniel

mendezdelcamino@live.com

Hello Everyone, seeing the post today in regards to Y DNA results, It occurred to me that I said I would share my results when they came in. Sorry I didn't do this sooner, although I'm sure no one was losing sleep over it ( HA !) My Y DNA results are E1b1b1a2 \ Shorthand E-V13. It is the 3rd most common haplogroup among European men and considered one of the core or founding groups in Europe. It is the only E subclade that is found in low frequencies (2% ) in N. Africa. This subclade is associated with the Balkans where the largest worldwide percentage of E-V13 is found. It is used to identify ancient peoples such as the Illyrians, Thracians and Macedonians, as well as Greeks. Modern populations that show high percentages of E-V13 are Albanians, Peloponnesian Greeks, Bulgarians and Macedonians.

As far as Spain is concerned, it is found in low numbers and mostly confined to the west of the country, the highest percentages being found in Extremadura (9%), Galicia (7%) and NW Castile (6%). It was, at one time, thought to be found in Spain due to ancient Greek exploration and settlement, but Greek settlements noted are only found on the east coast in the regions of Cataluña and Valencia. The vast majority of “E” Y DNA in Spain is associated with the Berbers, but this is sub clade E-M81.

One theory as to how a DNA marker so prevalent in the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean made it's way to Western Europe and Spain can be found in a town in Wales called Abegele. A study was conducted involving the town and out of 18 men tested, 7 tested positive for the marker E-V13. A wider study was conducted and it concluded that 40 % of the men in the town carried the E-V13 marker. It turns out in antiquity; Abergele was an important Roman town. It was not garrisoned by Romans \ Italians, but by Thracian auxiliaries and other men with a Balkan origin. A similar scenario could also apply to Spain, perhaps the marker made it's way there with auxiliaries in the Roman army ? The E-V13 marker also found it's way into Afghanistan and Pakistan with the men in Alexander the Great's army. A small percentage is found amongst groups who claim these men as their ancestors.

I've understood that the coat of arms was a first born to first born to
first born "thing". Heck how would I know if my line of Puentes
currently wears the Coat, heck even if it does it wouldn't be me since
my brother is older than I and my Dad is second born and my grandfather
was second born and my great grandfather was second born, hmmm this is
getting interesting. Anyway I wasn't willing to shell out any money for
something I am not going to wear.

Yes I think you do have to pay to get the info they offer but I would
just do a print screen of what you see and then call one of the
libraries that own this set of volumes
(http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html) and see how much
they charge for photocopy services:

Name Vol. Page
Cerroa 26 101
Cerrudo 26 102
Cervantes 26 102-108
Cervató 26 102
Cervato 26 102
Cervatón 26 102
Cervatos 26 102

and

Olaeta 63 188
Olagorta 63 191
Olagüe 63 191
Olaguer 63 191
Olaiz 63 194
Olaizola 63 195
Olalde 2 130

There will be pages and pages of info on these names, all in spanish,
and that should cover the written part of names you are researching.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

I've understood that the coat of arms was a first born to first born to
first born "thing". Heck how would I know if my line of Puentes
currently wears the Coat, heck even if it does it wouldn't be me since
my brother is older than I and my Dad is second born and my grandfather
was second born and my great grandfather was second born, hmmm this is
getting interesting. Anyway I wasn't willing to shell out any money for
something I am not going to wear.

Yes I think you do have to pay to get the info they offer but I would
just do a print screen of what you see and then call one of the
libraries that own this set of volumes
(http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html) and see how much
they charge for photocopy services:

Name Vol. Page
Cerroa 26 101
Cerrudo 26 102
Cervantes 26 102-108
Cervató 26 102
Cervato 26 102
Cervatón 26 102
Cervatos 26 102

and

Olaeta 63 188
Olagorta 63 191
Olagüe 63 191
Olaguer 63 191
Olaiz 63 194
Olaizola 63 195
Olalde 2 130

There will be pages and pages of info on these names, all in spanish,
and that should cover the written part of names you are researching.

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

This is a message sent to me from a fellow ranchos member, Olivia
Jaurequi-Reyes.

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fw: [CA-SCGS] California Legislation Threatens Records
Availability - Need Your Help
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:07:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Olivia Jaurequi-Jaurequi
To: Joseph Puentes

Hello Jospeh,
I received this email yesterday and thought I'd forward it along to you
to be sent to Ranchos members if you think appropriate. Don't know if
you've received any information on Assembly Bill 130 which is to be
heard in the Senate Appropriations Committee sometime soon. I'm
associate with GSHA-SC and received it from my contact. If passed the
bill will most probably affect most researchers in California.

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Heights, CA

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donie Nelson
To: GSHA-SC eNews List
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 4:29:02 PM
Subject: FW: [CA-SCGS] California Legislation Threatens Records
Availability - Need Your Help

Dear Researcher:

Please read the message below from our colleagues at SCGS. This affects
anyone who accesses California records now or in the future. We need to
write to Gov. Schwarzenegger NOW.

Donie Nelson
eNews You Can Use
Genealogical Society of Hispanic America - Southern California
310-204-6808
http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/GSHA.htm
*************************************

If anyone in the group has information and feels inclined to help please
send reply to this person who needs help in researching how to find a
person buried in Guadalajara in 1993.

thanks,

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Nuestros Ranchos user notice
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:14:39 -0400
From:
Reply-To: kjsooners@classicnet.net
To: moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

I am so sorry that I didn't reply sooner. This isnt really what I was
looking for. I need help with questions in regards to doing research in
Guadalajara - finding out where someone is buried. We dont have alot of
genealogy to share because there is only one family member that is
buried there and we just recently found out that is where he passed
away. He left Texas in the early 1960's and we had no idea on where he
went. He died in 1993 and is buried there. We just don't know where.
Trying to find out information on cemeteries as his granddaughter will
be coming to this area for Christmas 09 and would like to visit his grave.

Thank you for your help.