TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

Arturo and Joseph,

Suzanne Harris of NARA has returned the batch of five requests I sent her. There were two cover letters that I will paraphrase here:

"Since 1845 there had been attempts in the United States to create or require a record of aliens within the country. Registration of alien enemy residents of the United States was required during World War I under section 19 of the President's Proclamation of November 16, 1917. A central set of records of the registration of alien enemies [Germans and ?], consisting of their registration affidavits, was assembled by the Department of Justice in Washington, DC during the war. However, in 1940, the Department of Justice reported to the National Archives that these registration affidavits had been destroyed with the permission of Congress. A small number of these registrations have survived and can be found in our regional archives in San Bruno, CA and Kansas City, MO. It is possible that others have survived on the county or state level."

"It was not until the Alien Registration Act of 1940 that a registry came into existence. The new law caused incoming immigrants and all aliens in the United States to be fingerprinted and to register annually with the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Under this act, resident aliens registered at their local Post Office. In order to receive copies of Alien Registration records for the World War II period, it is necessary for you to submit the enclosed Freedom of Information/Privacy Act (Form G-639) request to the Immigration and Naturalization Service Headquarters, now know as the US Citizenship and immigration Services (USCIS), in Washington, DC.---"

Linda,

My brother had the FamilyTree Y-DNA test done. His results are posted to
Gary Felix DNA Surname project. He tested R1b. If you want more details,
please contact me directly.

Maria

Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:38:31 -0500
> From: Linda R Romero
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA testing
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <08506187-0AAA-468A-A28D-76015EC48CCF@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Has anyone on the NuestrosRanchos list had a Y-DNA or mtDNA test with
> FamilyTreeDNA or other testing facility?
>
> I've had my Y-DNA results for the Romero Surname and they are
> unusual. I am interested if anyone whose ancestors are from the
> Jalisco area has been tested. I am looking for comparisons and
> possibly connections back to Spain and the Mediterranean area.
>
> Linda
>
>
>

Dear Ranchos Members,

I have with the help of Arturo up-loaded my husband's genealogy
GEDCOM file to my Genealogy folder. Looking forward to linking with
other Ranchos Members.

Last evening after sharing what I thought was a link with Maria
Cortez, she answered my e-mail with "It's a Match." After only 3 days of
being a Ranchos member, a new found "cousin." "How Sweet It Is! "
Hoping that, that match will also include Alicia's ancestry and many others.

Patricia Silva Corbera

I am aware that the following films were filmed in
Zacatecas:
"The Cisco Kid" (the one with Jimmy Smits and Cheech
Marin);
"The Old Gringo" (Gregory Peck, Jane Fonda - ?? - I
can't remember for sure)
They both have scenes featuring the Cathedral in the
city of Zacatecas.
What other films have been filmed in Zacatecas?

Speaking of film - I grew up in Los Angeles, and when
I was young (5-10 yrs of age) we would go once or
twice a month to see Mexican movies at a theater in
downtown L.A. (I think it was called the Million
Dollar) - this was in the 40's. That was when Mexico
had a film industry. My favorites were the films of
Jorge Negrete and the ones of Cantinflas. Anyone else
ever go see the Mexican movies??

Hey - Y'all have a grand weekend - Happy Father's Day
to you father's out there.

Natalie

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

I apologize, I wasn't clear in my message about not knowing how to
submit.. I meant all my records, 23,000 or more names with many not
connected to me... yet!

Ancestry.com has 2 family tree sites, OneWorldTree is a pay site. Once
you check into the family tree section there is a box to the right,
there is a section marked Ancestry World Tree, that's the free site so
a person doesn't have to pay to see records from that site.
Unfortunately when you post in one they put it in the other also. I
don't like them making money off of files I submit for free but the
option is others not being able to find relatives with what I have
posted. I have not submitted my records to Familysearch but do plan to
in the future, at least that site stays free to everyone and once I've
done that then I'll pull my records from Ancestry.com.
thank you for the very prompt response, very appreciated.
Linda in Everett

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Stuart,

I am in the same boat you are. My husband's ancestors were from the exact same places you mentioned. The place where they were baptized, married, etc is not the same place where they were born or buried. You have to look for the phrase "originario de" for the name of the place they were born. For example, I was looking in the records of the La Encarnacion (Jalisco) church for baptisms and marriages thinking my husband's ancestors were born in the town of Encarnacion de Diaz where the church is located, then I realized that the records kept stating they were "originario de Santa Maria" which must have been a large hacienda village nearby. It seems they had big cathedrals in some towns (pueblos, villas?) where people living in the surrounding haciendas would come to be baptized, etc.

Also it seems some of these haciendas had villages in them that had chapels (capillas?), and some records of sacraments performed in the chapels ended up among the records of the larger churches. I have Mr. Platt's book, but it is very daunting. It is in Spanish, and confuses me more. I think even if it was in English, it would be confusing. So what I do is I just use whatever designation is in the Family Search Catalog for place names. It seems they kept track of the changes and they use the most current place names. A town may have had the name for example of Santa Ysabel, but now it is known by the name of some military officer, General xxxx (I forget his name). As for places of birth, I do look for the "originario de" in the record.

If it wasn't for the index (IGI) that gives me a clue as to which church's records to look in, I would be out of luck. Like you, I have no history, since my father left Mexico almost 100 years ago and never went back. He became a naturalized citizen I think when the Nationality Act of 1940 became law and all aliens had to register. He just did not want the hassle of reporting to the INS all the time.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

My father's nick name is el Chorro's (he had stomach problems I think) , his brother Manuel is el Profe (Professor), Gregorio was el Piojo (small one/ lice), Jose is known as el Mocho to this day (he accidently cut a couple of his fingers off), Antonio is Maraguas (unsure of meaning), and my grandfather's nick name was el Guero (light one).

To this day most of the people from Jalos or Tecua that live in Sacramento refer to people they know by their apodos. For exampleif they are talking about Jose Gutierrez they say, Jose el Coyote.

That's all for now,
Maria Elena (AKA Nena or Chaparra) Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Listen up everyone please follow Arturo's instructions. Filling the Data
that is missing from you profile will help the search engine work
better. if you don't know how to do it then email me privately and we'll
walk through it together (makas@nc.rr.com)

joseph

The link should be working now Joseph....

This brings up two issues that I had put off due to (paying) workload which I should bring up now...

The first is that there are many members who have not filled out their user profiles
and thus they come up blank in the Who's Who list as well as when someone does a
location or surname search.

Can everybody please take a moment to go into their user profile and make sure
that the information is filled out and correct? It makes the site much more useful
for everybody. Click on "My Account" from the side menu, then click the "Edit" tab
when your profile comes up. You will then need to go through the first three
categories to update all of the information:

1. Account Settings
2. Personal Information
3. Research

Second, I had started on a user manual a couple of months back and never got finished with it. Is there anyone who would be willing to help? I have already got a volunteer to translate, but I would like to get the parts that I have already done edited before I give it to him for translation.

If someone thinks they can take one of the missing chapters, that would be great as well.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

My husband and I just finished watching Streets of Laredo, through Netflix.

It was an offshoot of the Lonesome Dove made for TV movie (1995)and it takes place in the wildwest days, mostly Texas/Mexico border. I couldn't help but think of the days when our ancestors came across the border and what trials they must have endured. Some people probably made it and some may have perished with the possibility that no one ever knew where their remains were or what could have happened to them. Those that did live probably had a very difficult life, Mexicans were on the bottom end of the food chain.

Here's a brief description that doesn't really tell you much about the movie except who the cast was. Sonia Braga the famous Brazilian actress portrays the mother of one of the main protagonists, the killer.

In this sequel to the "Lonesome Dove" miniseries, Texas Ranger Captain Call (James Garner) takes on one last mission, tracking down a killer as a freelance bounty hunter. With Pea Eye Parker tagging along, he crosses paths with such Western luminaries as Judge Roy Bean and John Wesley Hardin. The terrific cast includes Ned Beatty, Randy Quaid, Sam Shepard, Sissy Spacek, Sonia Braga and George Carlin. Based on Larry McMurtry's novel.

Streets of Laredo (2-Disc Series) (1995)

I don't think anyone is going to complain about your messages to the group. Quite the opposite, I for one, am very glad that you have joined and that you and others have begun communicating via the lists and the site again.

There was a long period of silence there after the transition and it is good to know that members are still working on their research, are still finding treasures of information and are willing to share the information and success with the rest of us.

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From: Patricia Corbera
Date: Wed Jun 14 22:36:40 CDT 2006
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat and Maria - New Family: New files up-loaded

Hi Joseph and Fellow Ranchos,

Pretty soon, members are going to be saying... not that Pat person again...;-).

Subject:
ADN PARA SABER SI TENEMOS LA MISMA ASCENDENCIA
From:
scabral@genealogia.org.mx
Date:
14 Jun 2006 09:24:19 -0600

To:
MEX-JALISCO-L@rootsweb.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Classification: Query

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AaC.2ACI/384

Message Board Post:

La Sociedad Genealógica del Norte de México
y la Fundación Sorenson de Genealogía Molecular de Salt Lake City, Utah
Te invitan que dones una muestra de tu ADN y copia de tu genealogía a la Fundación Sorenson de Salt
Lake City, Utah a fin de que sean analizadas y se integren a la Base de Datos para ver la relación de las
familias y los apellidos.
Requisitos:
. Mayor de edad
.Tener mas de 4 generaciones genealógicas investigadas y en PAF
. Deseos de enviar información para el mapeo de ADN
.Procedimiento:
.Firmar la forma de autorización para el análisis
.Imprime partiendo de tí en forma ascendente (Cascada hacia arriba) todos los cuadros genealógicos que
tengas.
.Prepara un Gedcom con todo tu PAF (preferentemente versión 5)
La base de la herencia genética humana son los cromosomas, unas gigantescas hebras de ADN (ácido
desoxirribonucleico) en las que están escritas nuestras características biológicas. De estos cromosomas,
que están en casi todas las células, tenemos los humanos un total de 46; 23 se reciben del padre y otros 23
de la madre.
Gracias a la Genealogía Molecular, se pueden reconstruir ciertas relaciones familiares y se puede
determinar el vínculo entre los varones del mismo apellido. También puede realizarse la misma
investigación por el lado materno.
Para mayor información escribe a: samuelsanchez@genealogia.org.mx
o bien llama al (0181) 1492-6444
http://www.genealogia.org.mx
http://www.smgf.org
Durante la vida
de un individuo,
las copias del
ADN de los
progenitores son
transmitidas a la
descendencia

I'll be posting some photos from a souvenir booklet sold on the Southern Pacific Railroad in the 1920's. Those of us whose ancestors crossed to el norte through El Paso saw some of these same stations along the way. My father, Luis Calvillo Zaragoza, was 10 years old when his family travelled from Guadalajara to San Francisco, California, on this same train route, in 1922. His mother, Jesus Zaragoza Castillo, a widow with five children and very little money, nevertheless paid the grand sum of $1.50 so that Luis would remember the journey. The booklet remained one of my father's treasured possessions until he died.

The first photo is captioned: "El Paso, the largest of Cities on our southern frontier, is the door into Mexico. The old name of the city was El Paso del Norte, 'the pass of the north.' Though in a comparatively thinly settled region, this is a most important business center, since it is five hundred miles in any direction to a city of like size. El Paso handles a large portion of our Mexican trade; three fourths of the cattle imported in the United States come through this gateway. The city is wideawake and progressive, with many handsome public buildings." Note the American doughboys with their rifles, the women in long dresses, the horse-drawn wagons and the adobe buildings across the river.

The photos are in Albums - Misc Records and Others.

I don't know any living male descendants of Domingo and Rosalia. Since I
descend from a female line I didn't trace the male lines. The best I can do
is the family of Rafael Puentes and Josefa Raigoza. I am attaching a family
group sheet for them to see if any of the names ring a bell. The children
of Francisco Domingo Puentes and Juana Rosalia Diaz were all christened in
Cuquio.

Maria

Enrique,

The meeting time and place are:

Event Date: Saturday July 29, 2006
Event Time: 11:00 am to 2:00 pm
Place: Raley's Event Center
2400 Sand Creek Road
Brentwood, CA (near Antioch)

You are welcome to join us. Please let me know if you plan to attend for
sure and I will add you to my distribution list.

Maria

Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: enrique legaspi
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan and it's descendants
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20060614003507.79978.qmail@web51511.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in
> Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta,
> Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood
> California?
>
> Enrique Legaspi
>

Dear Ranchos Members;

This is to announce that I have with Joseph and Arturo's help up-loaded two new files to my Genealogy folder.

See attached link, http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13982

Atentamente,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Enrique,
Are you also new to Nuestros Ranchos, If you are, welcome to this caring group of people who call themselves Genealogists.

I was born in a rancheria just outside of Tlachichila called Los Cardos and have lived in San Jose, Ca since I was 2 years of age. My father and padrino, (dad's brother) came first and worked in Los Gatos for the Novitiate Vineyards, they made the wine for the Catholic Church which was then consecrated for the priests' use in the mass.

Among the family names we have are Avelar, Aguayo, Aguirre, Bargas, Carrillo, De la Cruz, Duran, Esparza, Frias, Garcia, Gomez, Guerrero, Hernandez, Jauregui, Luevano, Macias, Muños, Martinez, Olasava, Olmos, Ortega, Rubalcava, Ruano, Ruiz, Ruiz de Esparza, Sigala & Valades. I say we because both me and my husband are from the same region, he was born in Rancho La Trinidad and I in Los Cardos.

I live in Northern California and belong to the Northern California genealogists, an off shoot of Ranchos. We meet quarterly and the next meeting as noted below will be in Brentwood on July 29th. If you are interested I can ask Maria Cortez, the group facilitator and coordinator to add you to the list.
Here is a copy of the posting she recently sent out to the attendees along with the attachment that has the meeting place and the agenda.

Maria, See Enrique's inquiry below regarding the meeting in Brentwood in July. Enrique, please respond as soon as possible to Maria if you are interested in attending this meeting, her e-mail address is cc'd above. We would be glad to have you as a new member.

Atentamente,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood California?

Enrique Legaspi

Hello all,

As our meeting date approaches I need to get a count of those of you who plan to attend our next meeting. We will be meeting at the Raley's event center in Brentwood. The room holds up to 18 people. The time and place are:

Event Date: Saturday July 29, 2006
Event Time: 11:00 am to 2:00 pm
Place: Raley's Event Center
2400 Sand Creek Road
Brentwood, CA (near Antioch)

Please let me know by Friday, June 9th if you plan to attend so that I can ensure we don't exceed the room's capacity.

Thank you Alicia. I did as you suggested and it was a big help.

I was at my Family History Center today. It's in Hacienda Heights, in the San Gabriel Valley just east of Los Angeles. I told the head of the library, Kim Austin, about this site and she plans to join us.

She's Anglo but she's researching her husband's Mexican roots. She should be a MAJOR asset to Nuestros Ranchos, in my opinion.

Kim told me Salt Lake City has a 20/20/20 policy regarding Family History Centers. They need to generate at least 20 film orders a month, and have twenty patrons a month, and I don't recall if there was a third 20, or not. To keep a Family History Center functioning and to authorize expenditures on new equipment, and Internet upgrades....

So if anyone's FHC is teetering on closure you might space out your visits. Rather than one, or two long visits, perhaps three, or four shorter visits.

My FHC is very nice. Volunteers and patrons bring the bounty form their gardens to share. One man brings huge beefsteak tomatoes, I bring yerba buena....

Hi Joseph,

Yes, that is me who has studied Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco records. I
have the Rafael Puentes m. to Josefa Raigoza in my database. Rafael is the
son of Domingo Puentes and Rosalia Diaz. I have not found the names of the
parents for Domingo or Rosalia. I do know that they were married on 1 May
1782, in Cuquio, Jalisco. Are your Puentes married into the Diaz family
too? I think that's what made me think we're related, but we haven't made
the connection. I haven't ordered any film in a while, so I haven't made
much progress lately.

Maria

> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:02:59 -0500
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <448DF2A3.1030803@nc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> Who in the group is studying the Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco area?
> Awhile back, quite awhile back I was trying to tie into the Puentes from
> this area. Is that you Maria Cortez. I was wanting to know the parents
> of Rafael Puentes who was married to Josefa Raigoza AND of Domingo
> Puentes who was married to Rosalia Diaz on the 1817 Census for the
> community called "Changanga."
>
> joseph
>
>
>

For those researching Huejucar and Calvillo, a long time ago I took the following note from "Historia del estado de Aguascalientes" by Agustin R. Gonzalez, Mexico 1881 [my translation]. Unfortunately I can't remember where I read or found the book:

Valle de Huejucar (Guaxucar, Huajucar), at or near Calvillo, Aguascalientes, was within the original limits of Xalpa (Jalpa) and became a community center for the surrounding haciendas early in the 18th century. pg 43

And from "Aguascalientes - Guia para visitar la Ciudad y el Estado" by Alexandro Topete del Valle, Ags. Ags, 1973:

"CALVILLO. Se inicio su fundacion como consecuencia del auto proveido el 18 de noviembre de 1771, por el senor Canonigo y Doctor don Manuel Colon de Larreaegui gobernador por 'sede vacante' de la Mitra de Guadalajara, que erigio el Curato o parroquia de 'S. Jose de Huajucar' (o "Guajucar') en el Valle del mismo nombre, segregandolo del de Tabasco, Zac., en terrenos que pertenecieron al antiguo rancho o hacienda, cedidos por el prominente vecino don Jose CALVILLO, en cuyo honor tomo su apellido como titulo, a partir de febrero de 1825." pg 22

Does anyone know which particular don Jose CALVILLO this one was? I've never been able to find out. Hope this helps.

Gloria (Calvillo)

For those that are doing research in both areas have you ever had a look
at this film? It is pretty current 1905, but my curiosity makes me want
to see what's on the film. Is El Refugio close to Momax?:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1905-1919

Authors
Iglesia Católica (El Refugio, Jalisco) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia de Santo Tomás
Apóstol en Momax, Zacatecas.
Contenido: Bautismos, 1905-1919.
El rancho de El Refugio forma parte del municipio de Colotlán.
Parish registers of baptisms from El Refugio (Colotlán), Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects
México, Jalisco, El Rufugio (Colotlán) - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1962

Physical
1 rollo de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Registros parroquiales - VAULT INTL Film [ 444024 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Who in the group is studying the Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco area?
Awhile back, quite awhile back I was trying to tie into the Puentes from
this area. Is that you Maria Cortez. I was wanting to know the parents
of Rafael Puentes who was married to Josefa Raigoza AND of Domingo
Puentes who was married to Rosalia Diaz on the 1817 Census for the
community called "Changanga."

joseph

The first digitized records are now online, according to my sources in Salt Lake City.

They tell me that their original estimate to digitize all the records in their mountain vault would take SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS!

But, that they are now buzzing along at an incredible rate. They are completing TEN THOUSAND records a week, with new equipment.

At that rate they estimate it will take six, to ten years to complete the monumental task.

They advised me to continue ordering films in the meantime.

They could not tell me if Mexican records were already digitized, or where in the line they might be.

The only way that the database can link back to the familysearch website is if
the batch number is entered exactly as it would be in the familysearch site,
so therefore only one batch number can be entered in every entry.

I was not aware that there could be multiple batch numbers for the same film.
If there is a way to differentiate what information is in each batch, can you
please enter that as part of the film description.

Thanks for your contributions to the database.

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From: longsjourney
Date: Sun Jun 11 19:12:03 CDT 2006
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Batch #

Joseph, I got confused when I found so many batch numbers for some films in
Jerez Zacatecas, was I supposed to list each individually or is there a way to
put them all on one?

Linda Castanon-Long

Okay folks who is game for some work for a worthwhile cause???

Arturo has poured his hard work and labor (thanks Arturo) into building
this site and especially great is the "Films" area of the site where you
can easily search batch numbers. This area of the group is well worth
you getting familiar with.

I've just added some new films to the Villanueva area but there are
still many many areas of our Research area that need to have the Batch
numbers added. Why not consider taking one or maybe two hours per month
and volunteer to enter batch numbers to this area.

Here is how you can find batch numbers:

1) Look at the Fiche at your Family History Center and then take those
Batch numbers and confirm they are valid

or

here is how I do it:

1) go to the IGI (you can try this with the VRI also)

2) in the FirstNameLastName area put in Maria Garcia (or any other very
very comon name)

3) in the Event put in "Birth/Christening" (later you can put in Marriage)

4) in the Country put in Mexico and in the state pick either Jalisco,
Zacatecas or Aguascalientes

5) click on "Search"

if you are lucky you'll get 5000 hits so you

6) do a "page search" with your browsers "Find" function to look for the
specific Location you are trying to find or

7) if you are feeling generous just look at the first page for any
locations that are not already uploaded to the Film section

let me know if any of you want to try this as there is a bit more but
not too much.

thanks,

joseph

thank you. i hope i can help out.

margot

Original Message:
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From: ylricro ylricro@att.net
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] WELCOME!!!!!

Good to see you corresponding with us.
Rickie