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Estimados amigos de nuestros Ranchos:

Después de muchos años de investigación, he podido formar mi Árbol Genealógico, bien documentado hasta Mateo Navarro, casado con Gerónima Briseño Gaytán que a finales del siglo XVI vivían en Zamora o Tlazazalca, Obispado de Michoacán, Nueva España.

De los padres y abuelos de Mateo Navarro, tango información que aún no se ha podido documentar, según la cual sus padres fueron: Pedro Navarro nacido en Pátzcuaro y Catalina de la Cerda.
Sus abuelos: Mateo o Matheo Navarro, soldado español, casado con una hija del último emperador de Michoacán Tangaxoan II. La novia recibió el nombre cristiano de Catalina de la Cerda, por haber sido el padrino el Capitán Juan de la Cerda. Me imagino que la bautizaron antes de casarla.

Las preguntas que tengo, con la esperanza de que alguien de nuestro grupo me ayude a contestar son:

1 - Hubo dos Catalinas de la Cerda ? Una Purépecha (Tarasca), esposa del soldado Matheo Navarro y otra española, esposa de Pedro Navarro ?

2.- Alguien más sabe de la boda del soldado conquistador Mateo o Matheo Navarro con la hija del Cazonci o Calzontzin, que llevó el nombre cristiano de Catalina de la Cerda ?
Esto último según entendí sucedió entre 1522 y 1525. Lo leí hace como diez años y no tuve el cuidado de anotar la fuente, ahora no recuerdo si fué en un libro o en el internet. Entonces no puse atención,
pues núnca me imaginé que fuera mi antepasado.
Hace tres años compré un libro del cronista de Tepatitlán Don Francisco Gallegos Franco, titulado "Apellidario" y en él se menciona la dicha boda. Ahora sí me incumbe ya que mi Árbol Genealógico ha
llegado hasta el siglo XVI y existe la posibilidad de que mi Mateo Navarro sea descendiente de ése matrimonio.

Agradecería mucho si alguien me contestara con más información al respecto. Ojalá que se lleve a cabo en agosto de éste año el Coloquio de la UAA en Aguascalientes y que allá podamos vernos otra vez.

Saludos afectuosos para todos desde el Edo. de Nueva York.

En México - Bertha E. Medina Navarro de Boehm
En USA - Bertha Boehm

www.boehm-chronik.com

Need some advice, I had my DNA through AncestryDNA, since then I have accumulated a serious list of Extremely HIGH, Very HIGH and HIGH, and GOOD and Moderate. My problem whenever I contact the DNA MEMBER(S), I get a negative response or none at all, even when our trees reveal common ancestors. My tree is PUBLIC, which is easily accessible. I have notice several have their tree listed as private, or listed NO TREE in their DNA MATCH results, but, not all are PRIVATE, so I am able to access their tree and review it. Question? Is there another DNA testing entity that facilitate easier confirmation
of relation so that I or other can connect the dots, before our expiration date? I am
75 and I would love to get my tree to a respectable level. In particular my father's
lineage. What I have discovered is that we are practically related with the majority of
the founders and Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes surname. My father is another matter.
Thank you in advance. Arturo de Leon Garcia

If anyone sees jolude on your DNA matches, that's me! Would you be willing to contact me so we can help each other grow our family trees?

Thank you! 3/10/17

Hello,

My name is Vanessa Lopez and this is my first post. My paternal grandmother's line was relatively easy to trace through Zacatecas and Jalisco. I worked diligently to build her family tree in preparation for an upcoming family reunion in May. Every once in a while, I like to just google an ancestor. I did just that for Juan Chrisostomo Hurtado (1722-) and to my surprise, I discovered this amazing tree, https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Hurtado%20de%20Mendoza-Family-Tree-11, which extended back to Spain (a first for me in all of my 7 years of research.) I would like help in any of the following ways...

Do we share common ancestors based on this (unconfirmed) wiki tree? How do you feel about wiki trees in general? I am considering opting for a pro-genealogist to confirm this wiki tree information because 1300s Spanish genealogy is way beyond my capabilities.

Are you related to me (based on the attached tree segment)? I have my DNA on Ancestry and GedMatch ready for comparison.

What kinds of records are common in Spanish genealogy? I can read Spanish, but I'm only familiar with Mexican records and history.

Thanks for reading!

-Vanessa

Primos,

It occured to me that some of the NR members might be listed as DNA matches on my Ancestry DNA account. This would help locate specific lineages, and may be mutually beneficial. Please, check and see if sa2fay, Elida Gonzalez, is one of your matches, and let me know. Ancestry states I have about 448 matches for 4th cousins or closer.

La punsada que soy:)
Elida

In case you missed it, MEXICO has won its first GOLD medal of the 2012 Olympics in Mens Soccer/Football.They defeated Brazil.
Bien hecho! (Today, August 11, 2012.)

This question is from another genealogy site and I'm hoping someone can help this gentleman. The records are from Guanajuato, Mx -sorry. This is a copy & paste of his question.*****Hi everyone. I’m hoping some of you might be able to give me some insight into the listing of race on death records in Guanajuato in 1913 and 1914. I have recently found death certificates for two relatives - a great uncle and a great-great aunt, both of which listed race. They are both listed as Indigena con negra (Indigenous with Black). My initial understanding was that, at least in church records, after 1827 race was no longer indicated unless provided by the family. This is a civil registration and looking through the other records in the database, they all seem to list a race. All are listed as ______ con _______. I can’t find any pattern to how they are listed, such as x race is always listed first, y race is always listed before z, etc. I’ve also noticed in some records a race may be listed twice, such as negra con negra. It would seem to me that it is indicating parental lines, but I can’t find any online source explaining this. I would greatly appreciate any insight anyone might have on how this was recorded or should be interpreted.

Does anyone know of any websites to look up documents online that is stored at the Real Audencia of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico?

The list of names answered a question that my cousins and I have had for decades about our aunt's nickname, 'Cheva'. Her real name is Josefina. I saw that the nickname for Josefina is "Chepa". I can see how easily it would be to substitute the "p" for a "v". I wonder how you get from Josefina to Chepa, though.

Darlene
Yorba Linda, CA

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what the parents names are on this marriage for Juan Almirante and Dolores Valenzuela:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6X2S-991

Danny C. Alonso

My children are half Mexican and my son's DNA (haven't had my daughter tested), showed 2% DNA from Senegal.I was looking at the Ancestry website and reading how that is the most common African DNA.NOW...I have to use this to help me. I am fairly certain the African DNA is not from my children's Casillas line (their paternal grandmother) but it could be in the Rodriguez line (their paternal grandfather.) I have that line in the Ahualulco area. Wondering if anyone else has had any success in tracing their African ancestry in Mexico.
Katrina Link

Hola!

Quisiera pedir su ayuda en cuanto a los ancestros de Andrés Díaz de León, que era originario de Asientos y que falleció en 1777 en Aguascalientes, estuvo casado con Antonia Francisca Báez Perales, tuvieron 6 hijos: Juana María de la Santísima Trinidad Díaz de León Báez (1752-1784), María Josepha de la Santísima Trinidad Díaz de León Báez (N. 1755), María Lorenza Díaz de León Báez (1757-1783), Eusebia Gertrudis Díaz de León Báez (N. 1760), Ignacia Marcelina Díaz de León Báez (1762-1777), Luis Díaz de León Báez (M. 1786). Los hijos eran originarios del Soyatal de Maroyazgo y vivieron en Ciénega del Rincón, el Soyatal y en Aguascalientes. Me gustaría pedir de su ayuda para encontrar más información de la Familia Díaz de León. Encontré un Andrés Díaz de León Durón, también originario de Asientos, pero el falleció antes de 1775 y estuvo casado con María Estefania Carrillo Díaz de León y se casaron en Sierra de Pinos y tuvieron descendencia en las misma fechas en la Hacienda de Letras y de Encinillas. Si alguien tiene el árbol genealógico de la Familia Díaz de León y no lo pudiera compartir, se lo agradecería mucho, Gracias.

I have found the location of the 3rd panteon (Cementary) of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

On page 63 of Defunciones 1771-1785, 1787-1833 of Huejuquilla El Alto in familysearch.org.

This one defunto record gives the location as the Priest says:

"En el Cementario de esta iglesia detras del osario" year is 1779:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/1sochc.jpg

Looks like there was an old cementary behing the San Diego Parroquia Church.

This is a picture of the San Diego Parroquia Church. The one marked with blue arros is the San Diego Parroquia Church. So the old cementary would have been behind the church.

The green arrow marks the San Diego Capilla Church. Since there are two San Diego Churchs. One is the Capilla, which is small and the other the Parroquia, the larger church:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/awc6kh.jpg

So now there are three known pantones at Huejuquilla.

The current one which seems to have started around 1870's when the defunto records began to be recorded by civil records as well as the Catholic Church Records.

Then there was another one that was older that was on the edge of the town (east side) along the road and they say a school was built there. It is also behind where the hotel "Moras" is. That panteon was torn down in the 1970's.

And the third panteon is the one that seems to be during the 1700's behind the San Diego Church as the record indicates.

​Hola primos y primas,

I have this person in my lines (various times), and I’ve been racking my brains on him for the last couple of years. I think I’ve finally accumulated enough information to formulate a theory (albeit a very loose theory), which I’d like to air-out here, for review and discussion.

These are the 3 documents I will be referencing and dissecting:

I. IM: Juan Antonio Gaitan and Maria Manuela Muñoz, 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BPDG-3?mode=g&i=572&wc=3PS…
II. Dispensa: Nicolas de Castañeda and Maria Gomez, 9 Jun 1712, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW39-LV?mode=g&i=489&wc=3J…
III. Dispensa: Nicolas Alonso and Petra Delgadillo, 02 Apr 1723, Teocaltiche, Jal.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6YLN-2?mode=g&i=5&wc=3J44-…

I. IM: JUAN ANTONIO GAITAN & MARIA MANUELA MUÑOZ 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos

These are my g5's, Juan Antonio Gaitan-Delgado and Maria Manuela Muñoz-Gomez. Upon first reading this IM, I was blown away, because I learned that the pretensos were 4th-cousins, and the ecclesiastical authority (bless their eternal souls!) thought it was important enough to mention​.​ They even give a tree, going back an unbelievable 4 generations:

Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas-1-Juan Gomez de Ruelas
Maria Gomez de Ruelas-2-Blas Gomez de Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-5-Maria Manuela Muñoz

Testigo #1 is grandfather of the bride, Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor, age 66 (ca. 1682, Zacatecas, Zac), owner if Santa Rita, and Testigo # 2 is father of the groom, Francisco Xavier Gaitan (b. 1691, Irapuato, Gto), silver miner. I'm not convinced their genealogy is accurate, due to the number of years and generations involved, and the ages of the testigos (their info is likely 2nd-hand).

GONZALO GOMEZ

Here is the link to a very interesting article on the Negro in Mexico:http://www.upi.com/Analysis-Mexicos-missing-blacks-Part-3/6062102091027…

here is some info on my cousins Godoy family. Please contact me and I'll
put you in touch with him if you see a connections:

Francisco Xavier Godoy who married Maria Anttonia Casas daughter of
Manuel Casas and Ygnes Guerra in Sept 14, 1741 in Tlaltenango Sanchez
Roman Zacatecas. I also show him married to Juana Maria Miramontes who
parents are Antonio Miramontes and Maria Tereza Munos on Feb 14, 1734
Francisco Godoy parents are Francisco Godoy and Maria Rosa Llamas. Same
person or brothers? I hope to find out in the next few months. I have 5
children for Francisco and Anttonia Casas, Jose Antonio, Francisco
Tehodoro, Gertrudis Polonia , Maria Francisca and Jossept Dionicio.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

I'm interested in getting more information about the Gutierrez/
Monroy/Cortes connection, too....My family is Gutierrez & Almaraz and I
understand that the Almaraz family may be associated with the Cortes &
Monroy lineage....Does anyone have further information on that? The
Gutierrez family was from Arandas, Mexico and the Almaraz family was from
Mier....Are they connected to the Monroy/Cortes families? Many thanks for
your help.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:12 PM,
wrote:

while researching my Garcia lineage, I can across
this statement: los nombres de los Padres, Abuelos Paternos y Maternos se hallan
en el Libro Reservado. I happen to have the information, Regarding the daughter, Maria Anacleta Teresa Garcia Macias, born July 3, 1861, familysearch , bautismos 1861-1862, IMAGE#158, Aguascalientes, Asuncion de Maria, Parents were, Nicolas
Garcia Reyes and Pantaleona Macias, Macias; paternal grandparents were, Jose Camilo
Garcia Bocanegra and Brigida Reyes Losando; maternal; Jose Macias and YsavelMacias
(batch#) C60483-2 and GS Film number: 299485. what is the meaning of Libro Reservado? Gracias, Arturo de Leon

Se dice que Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo fue hijo natural de Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II y una hermana de su esposa legitima, Ana Gonzales Florida II. Sera cierto? Esto es lo que he encontrado hasta ahora usando en su mayor parte FamilySearch. Honestamente, tengo mas preguntas que respuestas.

Pedro tuvo varios hijos naturales o adoptados… (Pero tubo esposa???). Estos son los hijos de Pedro:

--Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Francisco Gonzales de Robalcaba (hijo de Mateo de Robalcaba y Catharina de Sandoval) en 1684 en Nochistlan (su informacion matrimonial dice que fue originaria de Jonacatlan, vecina de Tacotlan e hija de la iglesia)

--Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Catharina Delgadillo (hija de Luis Delgadillo “El Mozo” y Maria Josefa de Yslas)

--Jose Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Mariana Delgadillo (hija de Luis Delgadillo “El Mozo” y Maria Josefa de Yslas)

--Antonio Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Leonor Ortiz de Robalcava (Nochistlan) en primeras nupcias y con Francisca Gonzales en Tepatitlan en segundas)

DISPENSAS

#1 Esta dispensa prueba que Maria y Miguel son hermanos e hijos de Pedro Gutierrez.
Dispensa del Matrimonio de Pablo Jose de Robalcaba y Maria Leonor de Placencia (Yahualica, 4/22/1784)
Pedro Gutierrez (Tronco)
Maria Gutierre – hermana de – Miguel Gutierrez
[+Francisco de Robalcaba] [+Catharina Delgadillo]
Nicolas de Robalcaba -primos hermanos- Gertrudis Gutierrez
[+Petrona de Luna] [+Alejo de Placencia]
Francisco de Robalcaba -primos segundos- Joachin de Placencia
[+Maria Francisca Sanchez] [+Manuela Alvares de la Cruz]
Pablo Jose (pretenso) – Maria Leonor (pretensa)

Testigo: Alexo de Placencia de 82 años dice ”que save, y le consta [que los pretenso] son parientes en cuarto grado de consanguinidad, por haver sido hermanos Maria Gutierrez y Miguel Gutierrez – de Maria Gutierrez vino Nicolas de Robalcaba y de Miguel Gutierrez vino Gertrudis Gutierrez…” etc…
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-653F-4P?mode=g&i=667&wc=3J…

Hello fellow members,

I missed the boat on PAF format being discontinued. All my information is in that format. Anyone have any suggestions on safely converting to GEDCOM? I hesitate because I don't want to lose my info. We are talking about 5 years of going through un-indexed records. Any suggestion would be helpful.

Thanks in advance,
Andelmo

In this Matrimonio de Ypina (Ypinas have a history with several Coronados names unknown) he reveals to son of Don Antonio de Campa y Cos that he had an affair with a relative of his that he did not find out until later it was his relative and had to reveal this to him. The Son of Campa y Cos states that his father had a natural child named Juana whose mother was a Mulata de Fresnillo. Juana de la Campa had a child named Gertrudis who was with Ypino and is therefore cousin to his pretensa.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SN-5W

I believe this is the family

Juana de la Campa
Deceased • K8TL-KH8 (Familysearch.org)
Married to Marcelo Flores Coronado
​

Does anyone know if this book is available for purchase and download online? I am looking for my Roman ancestors and am hoping this book could help.

Thank you!

I have not been successful in locating any information about the Patrons outside of what I have found in their records. They have been around the Nueva Galacia area since the 1640's and it appears they were in Guanajuato and possibly Mexico City. They were not mentioned in Diccionario Biografico de Antiguos Pobladores de San Luis Potosi by Rafael Morales Bocardo or any other record I know how to locate. Although, I did see on Wikitree Danny Alonso having some connection with the Padons. I have included those connections for him.

Where would I look for their possible Testaments?

It seems Sebastian Padron has a brother named Bartholome Padron (abt 1633) married to Maria del Castillo with some of their children born Guanajuato, Santa Maria del Rio and Villa de Reyes, San Luis Potosi both of those mentioned possibly.

1. Sebastian Padron (abt. 1635) m. Francisca Gonzales (they could’ve married in Guanajuato – san diego de la Union, San Felipe, or Acambaro, or in Santa Maria del Rio, San Luis Potosi, or Villa de Reyes, San Luis Potosi, or even Pinos, Zacatecas. They have, it seems, history in all of those locations but mostly in Santa Maria del Rio. They Married into the Del Castillo, Gonsales, and Torres (Thorres del Rancho de Joseph Thorres)

2. Marcos Padron (abt. 1665) 1st m: Agustina Gutierres 4 December 1687
2nd m: Michaela Martines Espindola 28 Jun 1706

3. Lucas Antonio Padron m: Phelipa Joepha de Torres 10 February 1709

4. Ma. Anta. Gertrudis Padron Baptized 2 Feb 1733 1st m: Roque Francisco Hernandes 5 Jan 1749
2nd m: Joseph Antonio Gonzales 15 Jan 1766

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GGZ-L2C

5.Maria Anastacia (Atanacia) Gonzales m: Antonio Alexandro Colunga (1759–)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGG9-DQ4

Antonio Alexandro Colunga is brother to Miguel Colunga who is married to Bacilia Gonsales Sister to Maria Anastacia Gonsales

Before you read further be aware that there might be content within this email that you don't agree with. In fact you might be terribly opposed to some of the ideas. I'd recommend that you contact Mimi and request to offer your rebuttal to any of the content with which you disagree. Aside from that please just be ready to click DELETE before moving forward. Thanks,

Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:21 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos "We are cousins." February 2017

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2017/spfeb17/spfeb17.htm

Dear family, primos and friends:

Hope you are greeting the new year with hope and peace. I keep learning new things which brightens my days. The world is such a miracle of balance, with extremes in every direction. We feel separate from one another and yet when you trace your family history, you see how you must be related on some level with everyone.
Under the DNA section, you'll find a mathematical graph of ancestry. If you take your pedigree back to the 1400s, you have 1,073,741,825 great, great, great, great, great grandparents; however, there were only 450,000,000, and you go back to two.

I had assumed in California, everyone knew a little Spanish and understood that the translation of Somos Primos meant, we are cousins.
I was surprised recently when a third person told me that they thought Somos Primos was saying . . . we were FIRST, which could be a little offensive.

Let suggest when you invite non-Spanish speakers to visit Somos Primos, you explain, we are not saying we are number one, or first, instead we are saying we are cousins, related, connected.

We may be diverse and visually different, but we are connected, sharing this very unique earth. Hopefully we can each make the world a little bit better, within our sphere of influence.

Hola Raza , I was cruising through Matrimonios-Jalostotitlan-1717-1748 Image # 261 (left hand side) ,and can't figure out where/how about the parents of Miguel Gutierrez-Coronado -son of Joseph Gutierrez-Coronado and Mariana Hermosillo . The other side is a Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo daughter of Geronimo Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Mathiana or Mariana Lomelin. Both Miguel Gutierrez- Coronado and Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo married 20 of Jan. 1731 . I can't figure where/what the Parents of these two belong .

Thank you for time

Ronnie