Que tal compañeros, quiera saber si alguien tiene de ancestros a Miguel de Avalos casado con Teresa de Báez.
Tuvieron por hijo a
Cayetano de Avalos originario del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan (¿San Juan de los Lagos?) Caso en 1716 con Petrona Gutiérrez originaria de la hacienda de Potrerillos en Jocotepec, hija de Bernardo Camacho y Lorenza de la Cerna.
A Cayetano y Petrona se les dispenso por tercer grado de consanguinidad, ya que sus madres de ambos contrayentes eran primas hermanas.
Anexo la dispensa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-663J-V5?i=576&wc=12512…
Many Askenkenazi only intermarried with other Ashkenazi, even after moving to Spain or Portugal. Rabbi Zacuto descendants intermarried often. that is how Simon Vaez was related to his wife. The extended family followed them to Mexico, and what is now New Mexico, and continued the endogamy. Mr Enriquez, the spouse of the lady that I met at the airport, descends from Ashkenazi that continued marrying Ashkenazi until only recently. That is the only way to explain his DNA results as his family has been in Mexico for centuries. I will get into contact with this Enriquez family and work on their genealogy.
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Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto’s ancestry leads to France in the 1200’s just like the Sanchez Hernandez Arellano family
They weren’t Sephardic Jews, they were Ashkenazim.
R.A.Ricci
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Miguel De Avalos y Villaseñor was married to Maria Gutierrez. I believe that Teresa Baez (aka Gutierrez) and Maria Gutierrez are the same person.
Miguel is the son of Isabel De Avalos y Sánchez (daughter of Maria Sanchez)
This family connects to the family in post: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24206?page=2
Rick A. Ricci
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Enrique,
the dispensation doesnt really specify who the ancestors are, but the Baez and the de la Serna families are the same. I have several of them in my ancestry. My guess is that your Theresa Baez and Lorenza de la Serna are related to my Ignacio Baez aka de la Serna. they're probly all first cousins. Unfortunately, i dont know who is parents are, but his children all use the names Baez and de la Serna:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/B%C3%A1ez-15
There's a Simon Baez that died in Aguascalientes in 1659 who is old enough to be the father of any of these Baez and de la Serna's. Some people claim that he and his wife Maria de la Cerda are the origin of the Baez de la Serna, but I don't think people would confuse de la Cerda and de la Serna, they're not the same names at all.
Guadalajara, Jal. Abril 27 de 1716.- Dispensa de tercero grado igual de
consanguinidad. - Cayetano de Avalos, español de 17 años de edad, vecino de esta
Ciudad de Guadalajara y originario del Pueblo de Nuestra
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A few months ago, I helped someone extend their family tree many generations. The information that I was provided with initially included records with De la serna as the surname. As I went back in time, the surname reverted to the original surname De la Cerda. The information was posted here in a nuestroranchos post.
Lorenza Baez Gutierrez (aka De la Serna/de La Cerda) B: 30 ago 1678 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico was the daughter of Ignacio Baez De la Serna and Juana Maria Gutierrez De Mendoza.
Ignacio Báez de la Serna is the son of Simone Baez and Maria De la Cerda
I believe that it is possible that Imone descends from : Juan de Baeça natural de Baeça de Paßcuaro donde fue naguatato (?), y de Ysabel de Perez su muger, natural de Fe
Name Lorensa Baez Gutierres
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Aug 1678
Christening Place SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Ygnacio Baez
Mother's Name Ma. Gutierres
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Mr. Ricci,
I think Simon Baez and Maria de la Cerda make sense as the parents of Ignacio Baez de la Serna, but Im not convinced that that's the origin of de la Serna. My guess is that de la Serna is farther back in their ancestry.
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De la Cerda is a name that was not a popular name at a time where many people were being accused of Judaism It was easy to change the name to De la Serna and it was often done, not just in this branch of the family.
Baeza is a surname based on location. The people with this surname usually had ancestors with different surnames. My Baeza ancestors were originally Lopez.
1. Simon Baez and Maria de la Serda
1.1 Juana Ysidora Baez Serda, c. 25 may 1687, Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.2 Simon Baez de la Cerda, married at least twice
1.3. Sebastiana Baez Lacerda c24 feb 1659, Aguascalientes, Ags.
1.4 Ignacio Baez de la Serna m. Juana María Gutierrez De Mendoza (daughter of Juan Gutierrez De Mendoza and Ana Camacho Gonzalez De Hermosillo
1.4.1 María Gutierrez
1.4.2 Sebastian Baez Gutierrez c. 22/Feb/1676 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.4.3 Lorenza Baez Gutierrez (aka De la Serna) c. 30/Aug/1678 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos
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What does it mean when your sayin de la cerda was not a popular name when people were accused of Judaism.
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Hola a todos:
Existió una persona llamada Simón Baéz Sevilla, era comerciante e impulsor de una serie de sinagogas, su familia vivía en San Juan de Los Lagos y varios de sus miebros fueron procesados por la Inquisición, Salomón Machorro vivía en Querétaro.
Hay varios libros sobre éstos procesos, pero en el siguiente artículo hay un resumen:
www.enlacejudio.com/2017/04/19/algunos-datos-interesantes-auto-fe-inqui…
Por cierto la palabra nahuatlalo significa que la persona es intérprete de la lengua náhuatl, aunque lo escriben con diferentes ortografías como naguatato. Las personas que servían como intérpretes de lenguas eran conocidas como "bocas" o que tenían "oficio de boca".
Saludos
Marcelina
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Gracias Marcelina por la información sobre Simón Baéz Sevilla.
Ricardo A. Ricci
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Here's a book that talks about him:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Epw_AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=%22S…
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Gracias Marcelina y Danny,
Es muy interesante saber que habían establecido sinogogas in Los Altos De Jalisco en ese tiempo. También es interesante que estas mismas personas manejaban la venta de esclavos por unos años. Muy religiosos en un sentido, pero también traían y vendían esclavos.
Ricardo A. Ricci
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i didnt know they had actual jewish people in Los Altos. I thought Jewish people had to stay secret so they wouldnt get persecuted.
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Simon Vaez De Sevilla received many people into his home where he kept many of his family traditions. His place was known to be a place they could worship in secrecy. Many people from Portugal, many of them close and distant relatives from the Levi tribe, would visit him upon their first arrival to the Americas. His wife was related to him “tercer con cuarto grado”. Many relatives tried to keep their Jewish roots secret in order to avoid persecution. The stories of the Vaez family came to light from accusations made against them.
Gaspar González o Burro (nickname) married Leonor Vaez. Gaspar was “cobrador y administrador de rentas reales en Portugal. Gaspar and Leonor are the parents of Simon (their youngest son).
“Simón Vaez Sevilla De Castelo Blanco” (Simáo Vaz de Sevilha en Portugal) married his relative Juana Enriquez (daughter of Juan Antonio Rodriguez and Blanca Enriquez) (Juana y Simon fueron primos en tercer con quarto grado)
Juan Antonio Rodriguez And Blanca Enriquez were
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I believe that he is ether the father or uncle. At first I thought uncle because I read somewhere that he had two kids, but another source mentioned that he had more kids and that he left many descendants San Juan De los Lagos. There is still much research to be done to identify his descendants and the descendants of the people around Simon Baez Sevilla. The two rabbis that went to Portugal left descendants that had to leave Portugal. The names mentioned of descendants of theirs that were forced to convert are Rodriguez and Nunez. And we know that many of the Rodriguez descendants also used the surnames Lopez and Enriquez. Of particular interest to me are the Rodriguez, Núñez, Enriquez, Lopez, and Arias De Maldonado descendants in Los Altos De Jalisco. This information on Simon Vaez Sevilla, and who his ancestors and relatives were, settles the issue about anusim in Nueva Galicia, particularly Los Altos De Jalisco.
Simon Vaez Sevilla’s parents are related through third/fourth
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Hi Rick,
All this information is fascinating! In case it helps D. Alonso Arias Maldonado y Pérez de Guzmán and his wife Da. Catalina Ortiz de Zárate y Hurtado de Mendoza are the patriarchs of the Arias Maldonado family of the Obispado de Michoacan and Nueva Galicia. They established their family in Tlazazalca, Michoacán where he also served as Justicia Mayor of Tlazazalca y La Barca and have their nobility documented through several dispensas and limpiezas de sangre--they are my 9th great grand uncle and aunt. I have eight children documented for them baptized between 1640-1660.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
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Thanks Daniel,
I need to do much more research on the Aria Maldonado family. I descend from them, but I have not spent much time researching this family.
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Buen dia. Indagando en la Sagrada Mitra de Valladolid he encontrado al menos a tres cabezas de familias españolas con la misma edad de Alonso Arias Maldonado viviendo en Michoacan, estos son: Juan Arias, hijo de Rodrigo Arias; Mateo Arias Maldonado, hijo de Andres Arias Maldonado y, por supuesto a Alonso Arias Maldonado.
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Gracias Verónica por la información que hay más Arias Maldonados en este tiempo en Nueva Galicia.
Ricardo A. Ricci
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Hi! Sorry but could you share the information of the dispensas and limpiezas de sangre of Alonso Arias Maldonado and Catalina Ortiz de Zarate? They're my 12th grandparents and I'm trying to gather more information about them.
Thank you in advance!
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Just after posting the comment about the Enriquez family in Jalisco being from Jewish descent from the family of Simon Baez Sevilla and his wife, I went to the airport to drop off my sister who is returning to Mexico. As my sister was waiting in line to get her boarding pass, A woman was having trouble getting her boarding pass from the computer terminal signin so I volunteered to helped her out. As I handed her the boarding pass I told her that my hobby was genealogy and that I had just posted on the internet about an Enriquez family with Jewish ancestors that left many descendants Jalisco. She lit up with the biggest smile and told me that that explains her husbands dna results.
Rick A. Ricci
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Dear Danny,
Rabbi Abraham Zacuto was the other rabbi that accompanied rabbi Yitzhak Aboab to Portugal. Yitzhak died a few months after arriving, in the beginning of the following year in January 1493. It is rabbi Abraham Zacuto’s descendants that later converted to Catholicism that were known to use the surnames Núñez and Rodriguez
Rabbi Abraham Zacuto was a world renowned scientist in his time as he wrote a very important book about how to navigate using the stars. He did not invent, but he improved on a very important invention, the astrolabe. He made a metal astrolabe that was more accurate and was easier to use in the open sea. Christopher Colombus used his charts and his astrolabe to not only help him navigate in the open sea, but to trick the Indians into believing that he should be treated with respect by using the astrolabe to accurately predict an eclipse.
I will send you a picture of him through email.
Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000
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What was shocking to Mrs. Enriquez and her husband was that his DNA results showed that his ancestry was primarily Jewish and had little of the ancestry that he had expected. His wife’DNA sample did come back as they had expected with much European ancestry, some Native American ancestry, with smaller amounts from different areas.
Dr. Vladimir Rozenblit is a 20th generation direct descendant of rabbi Abraham Zacuto. It would be interesting to compare the DNA of Dr. Vladimir Rozenblit to the DNA of Mr. Enriquez, the husband of the woman that I met at the airport. I did get contact info from her. I will try to contact Dr. Vladimir Rozenblit and see if he will agree to the comparison of the DNA samples.
Rick A. Ricci
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1. Abraham Zacuto (b.1395, d.1475)
2. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1425, Salamanca, d.1490)
3. Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto (b.12/Aug/1452 in Salamanca, d.either in 1515 or 1520 in Damascus, Syria) [one source says 1515 while another source says 1520.]
4. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1475 Salamnca, d. 1540 Damascus, Syria)
5. first name unknown Ben Samuel Zacuto (b. 1500, d. 1590) who changed his surname to Nunez. ( his descendants used the surnames Nunez, Rodriguez and Enriquez (Anrique), and Zacuto)
6. Núñez Zacuto (b.1540, Spain, d. 1612 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
7. Moses Enriquez Zacuto is the son of Núñez Zacuto (b.1576 Portugal, d.Coltun, Hamburg)
8. Mordecai Anrique Zacuto (b.1598 Amsterdam, Netherlands, d. 1665 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
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1. Abraham Zacuto (b.1395, d.1475)
2. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1425, Salamanca, d.1490)
3. Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto (b.12/Aug/1452 in Salamanca, d.either in 1515 or 1520 in Damascus, Syria) [one source says 1515 while another source says 1520.]
4. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1475 Salamnca, d. 1540 Damascus, Syria)
5. first name unknown Ben Samuel Zacuto (b. 1500, d. 1590) who changed his surname to Nunez. ( his descendants used the surnames Nunez, Rodriguez and Enriquez (Anrique), and Zacuto)
6. Núñez Zacuto (b.1540, Spain, d. 1612 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
7. Moses Enriquez Zacuto is the son of Núñez Zacuto (b.1576 Portugal, d.Coltun, Hamburg)
8. Mordecai Anrique Zacuto (b.1598 Amsterdam, Netherlands, d. 1665 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
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1. Abraham Zacuto (b.1395, d.1475)
2. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1425, Salamanca, d.1490)
3. Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto (b.12/Aug/1452 in Salamanca, d.either in 1515 or 1520 in Damascus, Syria) [one source says 1515 while another source says 1520.]
4. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1475 Salamnca, d. 1540 Damascus, Syria)
5. first name unknown Ben Samuel Zacuto (b. 1500, d. 1590) who changed his surname to Nunez. ( his descendants used the surnames Nunez, Rodriguez and Enriquez (Anrique), and Zacuto)
6. Núñez Zacuto (b.1540, Spain, d. 1612 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
7. Moses Enriquez Zacuto is the son of Núñez Zacuto (b.1576 Portugal, d.Coltun, Hamburg)
8. Mordecai Anrique Zacuto (b.1598 Amsterdam, Netherlands, d. 1665 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
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This following passage was written by the Zacuto Foundation:
“When Christopher Columbus arrived in Spain, he met with the great astronomer and received a copy of the tables. This manuscript with the marginalia of Columbus is extant in the Colombian library in Portugal. It is often said that Zacuto was also instrumental in raising a big loan for Columbus with the tycoons Abraham Senior, Gabriel Sanchez and Luis de Santangel. A prominent man of Jewish origin, Senior embraced Christianity, while Santangel and Sanchez were born into a recently baptised family. Zacuto also introduced Columbus to Don Isaac Abravanel, a Jewish notable with great influence at the Court, and he arranged for the navigator’s audience with the King and the Queen. Soon Columbus set sail to America, bearing the Zacuto tables with him. The family tradition insists that a young Zacuto, a son of R. Abraham, sailed with him, and accompanied him in all his journeys. If so, this young man was the first Jew on the
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Ashkenazi descendants in Jalisco.