Hola prim@s,

I was reading through the IM of Geronimo Magdaleno and Rosa de Figueroa San Anton, 4 Oct 1690, Tangancicuaro, Mich. Geronimo Magdaleno was son of Tomas Magdaleno and Juana Chavez, and Rosa de Figueroa was daughter of Joseph Figueroa San Anton and Juana de Torres.

According to testimonies, there was concern that there might be an impediment: that Tomas Magdaleno and Joseph de Figueroa, fathers of the groom and bride, were cousins. Joseph Figueroa had told Geronimo Magdaleno that his father was the sibling of the great-grandfather of Tomas Magdaleno. Tomas Magdaleno was son of Diego Magdaleno cc Lorenza de Ovalle Liebana, and Joseph de Figueroa was son of Pedro de San Anton Figueroa cc Geronima de Liebana, so the relationship was probably through Lorenza and Geronima. Several witnesses were brought in, but no one knew what the exact relationship was, only that they always called each other “primo” and treated each other as such. In the end, it was decided that the relationship was too distant, and that a dispensa wasn’t necessary.

But of super interest, are the witnesses that Tomas Magdaleno presents: Tomas de Bejar 60, Juan de Bejar 58, and Francisco de Bejar 54. All three recognize that they are primos hermanos of Tomas Magdaleno. The Bejar boys were sons of Gregorio de Bejar y Sandoval and Maria de Liebana. The relationship is obviously through Lorenza de Ovalle Liebana and Maria de Liebana, establishing them as sisters.

From various dispensations, we know that Maria de Liebana was sister of (please correct me if I’m wrong):
- Agustin Maciel cc Ynes Rodriguez de Morfin
- Juan Asencio de Leon cc Maria de Lomelin

When her son, Gregorio de Bejar, was witness on the IM of Francisco Gomez de Lara and Juana de Liebana, daughter of Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco, he said that he was primo hermano de Juana, and that that Alvaro Maciel was his uncle. Alvaro Maciel was the son of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana.

All of this would imply that Lorenza de Oballe y Liebana cc Diego Magdaleno was also a daughter of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana.

As it stands, and please correct me if I’m wrong, the children of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana are:

- Agustin Maciel cc Ynes Rodriguez de Morfin
- Nicolas Maciel cc Geronima de Ayala y de la Cueva (possibly Beatriz de Vargas y Ulloa en 2o?)
- Lorenza de Oballe Liebana cc Diego Magdaleno
- Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco y Zamora y del Castillo
- Maria de Liebana cc Gregorio de Bejar y Sandoval
- Juan Asencio de Leon cc Maria de Lomelin
- Geronima de Liebana cc Tomas Hernandez Gamiño
- Josepha Asencio de Leon cc Joseph Tello y Orozco
- Anna de Liebana cc Nicolas de Murguia
- Nicolasa de Liebana cc Juan Basilio Ruiz de Velasco
- Pedro Asencio de Leon Blancarte cc Anna de Zamora y Ontiveros

Some of that is from baptism and marriage records, as well as from dispensas for descendants. That’s a lot of children, and covering almost 3 decades, from what I can tell from their individual timelines and known baptism dates!

And now, from the Geronimo Magdaleno cc Rosa de Figueroa IM, we know that Geronima de Liebana cc Juan Asencio de Leon is somehow related to Geronima de Liebana cc Pedro de San Anton Figueroa, who from other records, we know is sister of Maria de Liebana aka Maria de Tapia cc Antonio Jimenez Calderon (my guess is these two are daughters of Juan de Tapia and Geronima de Liebana. Anybody?). According to Joseph Figueroa, the relationship would more or less look like this:

???????????????-1-Geronima de Liebana
Geronima de Liebana-2-Joseph de Figueroa
Lorenza de Oballe-3-Rosa Maria de Figueroa
Tomas Magdaleno-4
Geronimo Magdaleno-5

Possibly, Juan de Tapia and Geronima de Liebana are the tronco of that tree. Anybody?

My brain hurts.
Manny Díez Hermosillo

PS The Geronimo Magdaleno cc Rosa de Figueroa is scattered throughout the film roll, but it’s mapped out on the Valladolid Dispensas website (which I didn’t discover until later!! But great work, y’all!).

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Hello Manny,

I've read the IM of Geronimo and Rosa a couple of times. From what I could tell from the witnesses, whatever parentesco there was, it was indeed too remote to be figured out by the eldest of the elders (Juan de Bejar, Francisco de Bejar and Tomas de Bejar - all born in the 1630s). If the parentesco truly existed it would have existed in the generation of Ana Garcia de Liebana cc Juan Maciel Plancarte and earlier. (We're talking mid - late 1500s)

Maria de Liebana (wife of Gregorio de Bejar Sandoval) was actually the daughter of Juan Maciel Plancarte and Ana Garcia de Liebana. We know this through countless dispensas and also given the timeframe of when Juan Ascencio de Leon was having children with Geronima de Liebana vs. when Gregorio and Maria had their children. Juan Ascencio de Leon didn't really show up in Tangancicuaro and the surrounding areas 'til about the mid 1640s. He also didn't start having children 'til about the mid 1640s.

Juan Ascencio de Leon mentions

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I don't yet have any documentation that proves that Geronima de Liebana was the daughter of Alvaro Yanez Maciel and Isabel Orozco del Castillo. (It's a theory that she's their daughter, given the timeline, place, etc.) If I find something to prove it, I'll pass it along.

Daniel

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Thank you so much, Daniel!

This all makes more sense now, and individuals are falling nicely into place - the time lines were just killing me! And thank you for sharing that land dispute - I’ve spent the last couple of days reading it, and I still haven’t finished, but it’s got a wealth of information on these families. Here’s my takeaway:

First of all, the children of Juan Maciel Plancarte are (from images 445 & 504):

- Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco
- Lorensa de Torres cc Diego Magdaleno
- Pedro Blancarte
- Maria de Liebana cc Gregorio de Bejar
- Francisca de Liebana cc Tomas de Ayala
- Ana de Liebana cc Diego de la Mora
- Geronima de Liebana cc Juan Asencio de Leon
- Nicolas Maciel cc Geronima de Ayala
- Agustin Maciel cc Ines de Morfin
- Cristobal Blancarte (father of Gertrudis Blancarte cc Juan de Vallejo)

Alvaro Yañez Garcia was the father of Juan Maciel Plancarte; he died before 25 Jan 1600, when Juan Maciel, as his executor, and as tutor y curador of his siblings

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Hello,

While re-reading some matrimonial information for "Melchor de los Reyes" and "Catalina de Murguia Ontiveros" I found a crucial clue that tells us that Geronima de Liebana, Juan Ascencio de Leon's wife, was a sister of Agustin Maciel and Pedro Plancarte, both sons of Alvaro Yanez Maciel and Isabel de Orozco del Castillo.

First the matrimonial information itself:

Informacion Matrimonial de Melchor de los Reyes y Catalina de Murguia Ontiveros (Tangancicuaro - July 10, 1670)

While the information pertains to Melchor and Catalina, the documents details how there's a potential impediment between Melchor and Catalina given that Melchor had an illicit relationship with an illegitimate child of Juan de Zamora (uncle of Catalina). As part of the testimony, we have two key witnesses, Agustin Maciel and a former slave of Juan Ascencio de Leon. Agustin Maciel testifies that the, supposed, illegitimate child of Juan de Zamora could not have been a daughter of Juan de Zamora. Agustin

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Hello Daniel.

When re-reading the document you are citing, I found that the witness Agustin Maciel, 50 years old, is said he was vecino de la villa de Zamora. I think he is the Agustin Maciel listed in marriage dispensation 1.2 in this other post. There is also a 1645 IM on him.

There is another Pedro Plancarte, married to Nicolasa de Ovalle (I don´t know who the parents of this Pedro are), he died before the marriage of his son Juan Plancarte (Taramécuaro, 26 May 1662. Images 153 and 154 of 687).

May these Agustin and Pedro be the siblings of Geronima - and Alvaro and Maria, the wife of Gregorio Bejar)?

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Good catch Ruben,

Yes, it's possible that I might be one generation ahead with regards to the parents of these siblings. (Alvaro & Isabel vs. Juan Maciel Plancarte & Ana Garcia de Liebana). I hope we're able to turn up more clues to identify the parents. We can safely say that the parents of these siblings are one of the previously mentioned couples.

Thanks,

Daniel