So I want to try to trace my American/Mexican ancestors so is there any other website like ancestry.com that you don't have to pay?If someone is subscribed to ancestry.com it would be very nice helpful if you could help me out on finding my ancestors that lived in the u.s?I would ask my father but he separated from my mother when I was like 2 years old and we do not stay in touch at all I believe he still lives in Texas.
Father:Rogelio Flores Born:San Antonio Bexar 03 Jul 1951
Parents:Roberto Diaz Flores & Petra Flores
My mother told me that my dads father was born in Mexico but she doesn't know what part of Mexico and that my fathers mother was born in Texas County Bexar
Roberto and Petra had approx. 6 children
Rosalinda F Flores Birth:24 Jul 1958
Bexar County Texas
Santa Flores
Birth
16 Apr 1965
Bexar,Texas
Ricardo Flores
30 Sep 1952
Bexar,Texas
Rogelio F Flores(Dad)
03 Jul 1951
Bexar, Texas
Jose Ruben Flores
19 Mar 1946
Bexar,Texas
Raul Flores
10 May 1948
Bexar,Texas
It would mean a lot to me if someone helped me out tracing my dads ancestry or just gave me directions on what to do.
I tried Ancestry.com and found them way too expensive and no results. I had no success with my searches and a friend of mine told me to use FamilySearch, which is free and quite helpful. I've had success in my searches with Nuestros Ranchos, Mexico Genealogy and familysearch. They are free and very helpful. Afer months of searching, Joseph found my Mother and I almost cried to see her birth certificate since than I stick with NR.
Ann Marie Gutierrez
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I tried Ancestry.com and found them way too expensive and no results. I had no success with my searches and a friend of mine told me to use FamilySearch, which is free and quite helpful. I've had success in my searches with Nuestros Ranchos, Mexico Genealogy and familysearch. They are free and very helpful. Afer months of searching, Joseph found my Mother and I almost cried to see her birth certificate since than I stick with NR.
Ann Marie Gutierrez
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If your grandfather was using the name Roberto Diaz Flores and all his children go the surname Flores, I wonder whether he used his full name unchanged (Roberto Diaz Flores) and here in the US the authorities just assumed Flores was his only surname, or if he switched the order of his surnames and his real birth name was Roberto Flores Diaz. If you search this name at familysearch you get some hits from US border crossings from Mexico.
As for using Ancestry.com, I agree with Mr. Fulton, you can visit your local library, or the library of a nearby university and they may have a subscription you can use. Maybe even your school.
Good luck with your search,
Victoriano Navarro
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Victoriano,
I see so do you think one of the those Robertos might be my grandfather?I shall try going to the library and check if they do so.
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Abram,
Yes, one of those Robertos might be your grandfather, although Roberto, Díaz and Flores are pretty common name and surnames, so chances are there were more people named like your grandfather during his lifetime.
Good luck with your search,
Victoriano Navarro
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Abram
There is a border crossing record that may be of interest, but you would need some more information to determine if this is the right person:
Roberto Diaz Flores
b. 9-17-1928, Ags., Ags, Mexico
residence: Calle Madero #164, Ags., Ags., Mexico
Crossed the border at El PAso, 5 Jan 1946
unnmarried
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
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Abram
Assuming your grandmother was born in the 1930's (not unreasonable with the info you provided) there is one Petra Flores born in Bexar Co., TX:
Petra Flores
b. 18 Sep 1931, Bexar Co.
Father: Mateo Flores
Mother: Andreas Casares
However, more inforamtion is needed to determine if this is the right Petra Flores. There are 12 other Petra Flores born in Texas in the 1930s.
There are also at least two female births with last name Flores, but no first name, in Bexar County.
Perhaps trying to find a marriage record for your grandparents would solve the riddle.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
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Many public libraries have a subscription to Ancestry.com; however you have to use it at the library.
The LDS Family History Centers also have access, but once again, you can only use it at the FHC.
At the Family Search website there is a source entitled "United States, Border Crossings from Mexico to United States, 1903-1957" which may be helpful. This is just an index of the files at Ancestry.com. Ancestry.com has images of these records. which may have more information than the index. In a few cases there are even pictures of the person, but that is rare.
There are a number of Texas resources at Family Search that you can search on the web, as well as others at Ancestry.com.
The 1940 Census may be helpful, although the names Roberto Flores and Petra Flores are not distinctive, so if you had any more information your chances of success would be improved.
Getting a copy of your father's birth certificate would be helpful, but it likely would only say his father is from Mexico
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George,
May I have the link to that specific website because i couldn't find it.I tried looking for my fathers birth certificate on familysearch.org but was not successful it didn't mention birth records for people born in San Antonio Texas County Bexar;this is a lot different than looking for your ancestors in Mexico.
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Abram
This is the site:
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/certified_copy.shtm#offline
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
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Name: Rogelio F Flores
Date of Birth: 3 Jul 1951
Gender: Male
Birth County: Bexar
Father's Name: Roberto D Flores
Mother's Name: Petra Flores
Roll Number: 1951_0005
The above is from Ancestry.com. It's a birth index. You have to order a birth certificate thru Vital Check in order to see the document. I still pay for this site, but after going through it today I might have to cancel. You used to be able to look at lot of records, now they want you to order all the sources. For the price that I pay I'm certainly over paying for it.
I found a family tree that is online at Ancestry.com of a family that seems to match, but there is very few facts attached to the tree.
From this tree the following info is on it. Again, not sure if this is your family.
Roberto D Flores
1922
20 Mar
Birth
Saltillo, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico
3 source citations
1922
13 Nov
Baptism
Saltillo, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico
1924
1949
Mar
Age: 27
Marriage to Petra Cantu
San Fernando Cathedral, San
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Hi there,
I was able to locate my father (Rogelio Flores) paternal and maternal grandparents. I have Roberto Flores Diaz who was born in Coahuila ,Mexico in March 20 1922 and died in San Antonio Texas in the year 1966.
My grandmother (Petra Flores) my fathers mother was born in Robstown, Texas in April 27 1921 and died in San Antonio, Texas in the year 1970.
I recently hit a brick wall and i'm completely stuck in Petra Flores side of the family. Petra Flores parents are Guillermo Flores and Manuela Cantu. Guillermo Flores I estimated he was born anywhere from 1883-1886 in Mexico im assuming according to the U.S census of 1920. He immigrated to Texas in the year 1900, and got married to Manuela Cantu in the year 1907 in San Patricio, Texas, and died in 1972. They had about 5 kids Gregorio Flores birth:1909 Julian Flores birth: 1918 Petra Flores birth:1921 Bentito Flores birth: 1912 Adelita Flores birth :1918. The brick wall that I hit is with Manuela Cantu. I have Manuela Cantu born
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Abram
I found both of these families in the 1940 Census for Texas. Your family (Guillermo) is enumerated in Robstown, Nueces Co., TX, and the other family (Rufino) is in Cameron Co. I think you are just looking at a case of very similar names.
It does not make sense for a woman to have two families at the same time.
George Fulton
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HI George,
Thank you for your input, I do find it very strange how similar these two families are. Due to my lack of experience searching in the U.S for my ancestors, I might run into a lot of problems like this, since all my research with my ancestors started of in Mexico with my mothers side of the family. Now that I'm doing my fathers side, it's a little bit more complicated. I still cannot find any info on Eliseo and Virginia Cantu other than information that belongs to a whole other family with very very similar names in Cameron co. I'm still really happy that I found the info that I found because I never met my father or his family and knowing everything that I know now about his family brings a smile to face, and makes me feel closer to them. I really wanna visit San Antonio, Texas one day.
Abram Flores-Armas
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Abram
The census record for Guillermo Flores is quite interesting because it names the state in Mexico (Tamualipas) where he was born. Also, there seems to be a connection with the family of Candelario Flores that immediately follows his. Guillermo is the head of family #127 but Candelario is called the father in family #128. If this were a separate household Candelario should be called the head of the household, since he is not I am concluding that Candelario is Guillermo's father. Candelario is also from Tamualipas.
George Fulton
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George
I just found a death certificate for Guillermo Flores, but I'm unsure if this is my Guillermo Flores. In the Death certificate it has his father listed down as Candelario Flores and Angelita Sauceda. What throws me off are his date of birth and where he was born. The date of birth that I have listed down for him is 1881-1886, and the location of his birth is Tamaulipas. In the Death certificate it has his birth year in 1871 and birthplace in Brownsville, Texas. I went ahead and looked at Brownsville, Texas on google maps, and I found out that Brownsville is the border town of Tamaulipas. Further into my research I found a little bit more on Guillermo Flores and his family, but I'm not 100% sure this is the same family. I found a baptismal record on Guillermo Flores born 24 June 1884 in Matamoros, Tamaulipas, son of Candelario Flores and of Angela Saucedo. I also found two more record of 2 of his brothers Santos, and Pedro Flores same location. I later than found another record
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Abram
In my opinion, there is a very strong probability that this is your family. I found it somewhat surprising that the census record said that he and his father are from Tamaulipas as this level of detail is quite uncommon for people born in another country (the closest thing I've seen to this is distinguishing between French speaking vs English speaking Canada, although it is frequently just Canada).
Ages in US census records are not always correct, and should be considered approximate unless you have other evidence that substantiates it. The birthdate in a death certificate is not considered primary evidence - it is only as good as the knowledge or memory of the person providing the info. If you can follow a family in several US censuses it is not uncommon to see a person age more or less than 10 years from one census to the next, a little odd when the census is exactly 10 years apart.
The baptism info you found I would consider the right one for your family. The father's name
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George
Thank you for the advice and your help very appreciative. I have concluded that Guillermo's father and mother are Candelario Flores and Angelita Saucedo. In regards to the Cantu family, I'm not sure how to get through that brick wall. All the information that I have gathered on Manuela Cantu (wife of Guillermo Flores) matches with the other Cantu family where it says she's married to Rufino Flores, but then it makes no sense to have two families at the same time. Both Manuela Cantu's are born around the same time and they both have the same parents names, and both born in Texas.
Abram Flores-Armas
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there are other free sites but they generally have the files of people who have done the work and are submitting their research. Rootsweb.com is one free site. I know when I put my files on Rootsweb.com I put the film # and page number you can find them at. Like you I don't use Ancestry.com because it is expensive but I did use them in the past. Familysearch.com offers me most of the same information for free.
good luck and don't give up because you will find that one special record that gives you that aha moment.
Linda Castanon-Long
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Abram
I think I've made a breakthrough on Manuela Cantu Flores.
There are two different Manuela Cantu's that lived at very nearly the same time, and married two men surnamed Flores. Both families are well documented in the Texas census records from 1920 to 1940.
The family of Guillermo lived in Nueces County, and the other in Cameron County.
There are a number of posted genealogies on the family of Rufino Flores. His Manuela Cantu was born in 1890 and died in 1980. Her information comes from her death record, and from a fair amount of information at Find-a-Grave. Importantly from the census record she and Rufino did not have a child named Petra.
Guillermo and Manuela, of course, had a child named Petra (your ancestor) - she is named in the census. Among others, they had another daughter named Maria. There are death records for Guillermo and Manual, unfortunately they do not name the spouse. Two important points are that the person doing the notification for both records is Maria F
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Abram101