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Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada y Mendoza
Alonso de Avalos cc Catalina de Orosco
Gabriel de Avalos cc Maria Quezada
Sebastian de Avalos cc Mariana de Castro

Hola prim@s,

Do any of you have any of the above mentioned couples in your lines? I have it documented that Gaspar and Alonso were brothers, and also that Gabriel and Sebastian were brothers. I think it's likely that all four are brothers, and I'm trying to compile enough info on each, to establish this theory. I also think it's possible that another brother is Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz de Aldana.

¿Tendra alguien los mencionados en sus líneas ? Lo tengo documentado que Gaspar y Alonso eran hermanos, y también que Gabriel y Sebastián eran hermanos. Creo que es probable que los cuatro son hermanos y busco mas información sobre cada uno para establecer esta teoría. También creo que es posible que otro hermano es Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz de Aldana.

Does anybody know if Gabriel de Avalos, who married Maria Quezada, is the same who married Augustina de Velasco?

¿Alguien sabe si Gabriel de Avalos, que era casado con María Quezada, es el mismo que se casó con Agustina de Velasco?

Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hi Manny, I think if i remember Juan de Malaber was the second husband of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza. But it's been a long time since I looked at these families. So when it says "su nieta" for Beatriz Gomez aka Sanchez I think they just don't know how to describe the relationship of Juan de Malaber. Technically Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez would be the step-granddaughter, if that's even a thing. Based on the multiple names Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez uses and since we know she is the actual granddaughter of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza, we can reasonable assume that her actual grandfather is Juan Sanchez de Lara. Juan de Malaber i think may be discussed in this thread:

 http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24229 

Danny

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Danny,

I have a question about Beatriz Sanchez. If she's the granddaughter of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza, does that mean she's the daughter of Maria Sanchez? Also I was wondering if you were familiar with Francisco Sanchez de Quezada, son of Lazaro Sanchez and grandson of Maria Sanchez. If Maria Sanchez is the mother of Beatriz Sanchez then she would be the sibling of Lazaro Sanchez. So my question is where does Sanchez de Quezada come from. It appears to come from Lazaro Sanchez since Lazaro's wife's parents are known. Was Maria Sanchez married to a Quezada or descend from a Quezada? I do know one of Maria Sanchez's children uses Ornelas but where does Quezada come from?

Paige

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Danny,

That’s a really good point. It reminds of what Jaime Holcombe revealed, regarding how everyone assumed that the Delgadillo’s descended from Juan de Renteria, when they descended from his wife Ysabel Calderon’s first husband, Diego Delgadillo.

Thanks,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Manny,

I thread through this thread and was impressed with the amount of research that you have done with to expand our knowledge on this line and all others who have contributed thus far. I must state that I am related to this line on numerous lines, but do share a close tie through the Méndez de Torres of Zamora, Michoacán.

D. Baltazar de Avalos y Tovar and Da. Juana Ruiz de Aldana had another daughter named Da. Catalina de Avalos y Aldana (based on the various baptismal records she appears as madrina in Santa María de los Lagos and is listed as their daughter) who married D. Balthazar Martín-Barragán y Arias de Bedoya, probably in Zamora or Santa María de los Lagos, I still have yet to locate this record, if it exists. They had the following (so far what I have found):

1. Teresa Martín Barragán y Avalos b.- 7 June 1651 in San Martín de Zamora
2. Micaela Martín Barragán y Avalos b. - 19 Oct 1653 in San Martín de Zamora
3. Juana Martín Barragán y Avalos b. 11 Aug 1655 in

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Hola prim@s,

Over the summer, I finally got a chance to thoroughly read the 1657 causa criminal of Juan and Aparisio de Avalos, and boy! did I get some things wrong: Nicolas Garcia and his brother, Gaspar Garcia, were not captured, and they managed to escape. That's how they are able to appear in Huaniqueo in 1660, and later, in Lagos, where they were finally arrested. They were then extradited to San Luis Potosi; on 7 Aug 1665, Capp Juan Antonio de Pro, Alcalde Provincial de la Sta Hermandad de la Nueva Galicia, delivers Nicolas Garcia de Avalos, Gaspar y Juan de Avalos sus hermanos, y Juan Perez y Felipe de la Cruz Mulatos Libres. I lose the scent there. Gaspar de Avalos father was not among those arrested.

Hello Daniel,

Thank you very much for connecting Catalina de Avalos cc Baltasar Martin Barragan to Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz! I had seen her and Baltasar in Zamora, and I wondered who she belonged to. This reinforces Baltasar de Avalos Tovar's & Juana Ruiz de Aldana's

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Hola prim@s,

It’s been a while since I’ve found anything on our favorite gangsta family, los Malos Davalos. I found this one in the Guadalajara Protocolos; it’s a promissory note, dated 21 Oct 1637, in Villa de Lagos: Grabiel de Abalos (how he signed his name), vecino desta Villa (Lagos), as principal debtor, and Alº Davalos Ludena (how he signed his name), as his guarantor, promises to pay Esteban de Anda Altamirano 94 pesos and 4 tomines in Reales, for the same amount loaned to him.

The last time we saw Grabiel de Abalos was 1 Jan 1630, in San Matias, Pinos, when his slave, Maria Negra Adulta, was baptized (her padrinos were Sebastian Perez and Luisa, Negros Esclavos de Luis de Urdiales). If he is the same Gabriel de Avalos who married Agustina de Velasco, then he next appears on 26 Jul 1639, in San Luis Potosi, when they baptize Nicolas.

As for Alonso Davalos Ludena, I don’t know of any other Alonso de Avalos living in Villa de Lagos in 1637, other than the one married to

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Hi Manny,

It's a been awhile since I looked at these families. But I thought we had all basically decided they were brothers -Gaspar, Gabriel, Alonso and others. Was I wrong? The only mention I found of Maria de Ludena is this passage I think from Rodolfo Hernandez Chavez, where Gaspar is identified as Gaspar de Avalos Ludena:

Gaspar de Avalos-Ludeña casado por 1620 con Doña Luisa de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza, hermana de Doña María de Quesada ó María de Mendoza; Doña Juana de Avalos, madre de Juan de Orozco que casó con María de Quesada y Alvarado, hija de Francisco de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza –hermano de Doña María y de Doña Luisa de Quesada-, y de su esposa Catalina de los Ángeles Alvarado; Doña Ysabel Avalos-Ludeña / “Ysabel de Orozco”, esposa de Don Sebastián Pérez de Ortega; y a caso Doña María de Ludeña, casada en Patzcuaro y, velada el 26 de Noviembre de 1615 en Lagos con Rodrigo de Órnelas y Mendoza… ¿Tal vez?, debamos de incluir como hijo de Alonso de Avalos y de

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Hi Danny,

We’ve documented that Gaspar, Juan & Alonso were brothers, Gabriel & Sebastian were brothers, and Baltasar and Juana were siblings; we know that Gaspar, Alonso, Gabriel and Sebastian and their families all had contact with each other, and that Gaspar and Gabriel appear to shadow each other in their movements between Lagos, Pinos, Armadillo and Irapuato. Also, none of their children nor grandchildren intermarried, and we’ve seen only 3 dispensations for great-grandchildren. As for being certain whether all 7 were in the same family group, we still can’t say, but they were definitely at least cousins.

Thanks for reposting Rodolfo’s piece, I had forgotten about that. I’ve been foraging through the Lagos de Moreno church records, and I’ve found something that ties into that: Rodrigo de Ornelas and Maria de Ludeña appear as padrinos for 3 baptisms in 1637, and on the partidas she is given the name “Maria de Avalos.” We already have Alonso de Avalos using “Ludeña” - I’d like to

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I descend from Francisco Quesada and Catalina de Los Angeles (aka Catalina de Alvarado). I was wondering whether Luisa Quesada y Mendoza has been connected to this family.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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Hi, I´m new over here and even though I have already read a lot of the posts in this forum I didn´t read all.
So, does anybody notice that in the baptisma-chistening certificate (I really don´t know the english name)of GASPAR DE AVALOS (Lagos 6 july 1636), son of Baltazar de Avalos and Juana de Aldana, the godmother was Isabel de Avalos, daugther of Gabriel de Avalos.

Although, this document doesn´t prove they were brothers, it definitely proves that a link between them existed.

Cheers. Daniel.
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Hola, soy nuevo por acá y aunque ya leí una gran cantidad de publicaciones de este foro no logré leerlas todas.
Así que les pregunto. ¿Alguien ya se había percatado que en la Fe de bautismo de GASPAR DE ÁVALOS (lagos, 6 de julio 1636), hijo de Baltazar de Ávalos y Juana de Aldana, la madrina fue Isabel de Ávalos, la hija de Gabriel de Ávalos?

Aunque esto no prueba el parentesco entre ellos, sin duda si demuestra una relación de algún tipo entre ellos.

Saludos, Daniel.

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Hi Rick,

Thanks, and great story, about your ancestor, Güera! If it were a movie, Maria Felix would play the lead…

Hola Daniel,

Sí, ya se mencionó el contacto entre Baltasar de Avalos e Isabel de Avalos, pero le agradecemos su contribución a la conversación. Los detalles son importantes!

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Baltazar D'Avalos Villaseñor y Espexo was baptized on 22/Jan/1653, in León, "hijo de Don Gonzalo de Avalos Villaseñor y Juana de Espejo".

This Balthazar was married to Maria Ruiz de Velasco in abt. 1679 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

Rick A. Ricci

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Hola prim@s,

Here's the marriage record for Nicolas de Avalos Villaseñor cc Ynes Macias Ortega, 21 Aug 1651, Sagrario, Zamora, Mich:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5T9Y-YH?mode=g&i=21&wc=3NY…

I just noticed that there were some posts that were directed to me, and that I had missed - my apologies, I'll try to respond to them, when I can.

I also have an update on Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada, which I'll be posting soon - stay tuned!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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We last saw Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada in March 1657, living on their rancho, called "El Ojo de Muerte," near Valle de Armadillo, SLP. Their sons, Nicolas Garcia and Gaspar Garcia, along with cousins, Juan and Geronimo Aparisio de Avalos Orozco, plus another accomplice, had just been tried and executed for murder & robbery. After their deaths, the condemned were decapitated and quartered, their heads placed on poles on the 4 roads leaving San Luis, and their bodies, gibbeted where the murders took place. Within days, the heads of Juan and Aparisio de Avalos had disappeared from their poles, and authorities had gone to the rancho of Gaspar de Avalos, searching for them. Gaspar and his sons were gone, and only the women remained. And that's where we left off.

Cut to 3 years later: it's 4 Feb, 1660, and Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada are now residents of Huaniqueo, Michoacan, where they had been living for well over a year (since 1658). Alonso Rodriguez de Montemayor

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This new information only adds to the questions of this family but it sure is a read.
Thanks Manny for your the added information and story.

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This is really great stuff Manny. This family is never boring. I just wish
we could finally find out who the parents are especially because so many of
us, including me, descend from them. Also who do you think the 2nd Nicolas
really was?

Danny C. Alonso

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Hola Prim@s,

I just noticed that I made an error: Luisa de Avalos y Quezada, daughter of Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada, was to marry Alonso HERNANDEZ de Montemayor, and not “RODRIGUEZ de Montemayor.” He was son of Diego Hernandez and Juana de Osorio. I was just excited about discovering a new branch, I suppose, and dear Alonso seemed incidental - which he wasn't!

Hi Danny,

It’s possible Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada named 2 of their sons, “Nicolas.” And it’s just as possible that one of their other sons adopted the name, after the first was killed. The only son I haven’t accounted for is Diego, who was baptized 1 May 1642, San Matias, Pinos.

OMG AND THE RETURN TO LAGOS

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned some documents that I found indexed at the website for Biblioteca Publica del Estado de Jalisco Juan Jose Arreola:

Archivo de la Real Audiencia Ramo Civil y Criminal: Ramo: Criminal
Año 1 1665/ Año 2 1667
Progresivo 2710, Caja 174, Exp 6
Nombre 2: DE AVALOS GASPAR

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Dear Manny,

Congratulations on your findings. I am very appreciative of your work. The band of robbers ties in with the early history of the road being very dangerous between tepatitlan and San Juan de Los Lagos. Stories were made up that my ancestor was the head of the band because she became a bitter woman who always coverered her face after being attacked and her face scarred by a mountain lion. She had been described as a tall beauty, Güera, before the attack. After the attack she always wore a veil and avoided people. People later claimed that her son's inherited much because of what she robbed but she was rich from her parents leaving her a fortune. And she went from a young women who had everything, physical and facial beauty, intelligence, wit, and rich parents to boot, to a bitter woman who shied away from people and no longer the life of the party.

Thanks again,
Rick

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I don't descend from the D'Avalos family lines that we are talking about, though I do descend from the Padilla D'Avalos.

I descend from the Villasenor and Diaz de Leon families. I found Chris's post on how the Avalos and Diaz de Leon were related. I also descend from Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta de Sotomayor.

Joseph Diaz de Leon (m. Antonia Delgadillo) was the son of Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta Martinez de Sotomayor. Chris has Jose Diaz de Leon's brother Antonio Diaz de Leon as an ancestor.

Rick A. Ricci

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Manny,

thank you. i didnt see that. whats a predio rustco mean? who do you think is the parents of Baltasar de Abalos Tobar. i know you probly don't know officially but who fits best.

Danny C. Alonso

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Rick, thanks for posting the information regarding the Villaseñor.

Manny, do you have the link to the dispensa for Nicolas Castañeda and Maria Gomez?

Chris

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Hola a todos:

Sobre la relación entre las líneas de los Ávalos entre sí, probablemente éstas ya existían desde España, pues el apellido Ávalos constiuye una de las ramas de la casa, solar y divisa Ramírez de la Piscina, desde 1537 hasta ahora la rama Ávalos ha participado en la custodia de la divisa. Actualmente la tiene el Marqués de Legarda como sucesor de la casa de Ábalos.

Existe una relación geográfica puesto que la Iglesia de Santa María de la Piscina se encuentra próxima " a media legua" del poblado de Ábalos.

En el libro La Divisa, solar y Casa Real de la Piscina, de Jaime Salazar y Acha et al,(cuya muestra está en GoogleBooks) se puede leer en la página 14 se dice que en 1534 el Doctor Diego Ramírez de la Piscina, historiador de Navarra conocido como Diego Ramírez de Ávalos ganó el pleito contra los usurpadores de la Divisa ante la Real Chancillería de Valladolid.

Mi abuelo materno me informó que nuestra rama (Ramírez de Coy) proviene del tronco Ramírez de la Piscina al

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Hello Rick,

Thank you! This is all great info. From timelines and the combination of surnames, I'd say the Avalos OMG descend from one of the offspring of Diego de Villasenor Tobar and Geronima de Avalos.

MATHIAS GOMEZ DE SOTOMAYOR CC YSABEL RUIZ DE VILLASENOR

Re: Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor, I descend from her second marriage, to the mysterious Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada. Ysabel and Francisco owned Guadalupe de Los Pozos, in Sierra de Pinos, which they came into possession of, around 1708. I don't know if her first husband, Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor, owned any property, he drops off the map around 1692.

LUIS DE AVALOS CC GERTRUDIS PONCE

I mentioned Luis de Avalos cc Gertrudis Ponce, 25 Feb 1645, San Matias, Pinos; I thought he might be a possible son of Gabriel de Avalos and Maria Quesada, but he and Gertrudis Ponce were Mestizos. Gabriel de Avalos and Maria Quesada did baptize Joseph de Avalos Quesada, 28 Dec 1625, San Matias, Pinos; his padrino was Gines Carrion, and he

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Hola Marcelina y Rick,

With all of this talk of Davalos, Villaseñor, Orosco y Cervantes; I came upon this capellania regarding the Villalobos (Augustin Villalobos; Diego Villalobos Clerigo, nephew of Antonio Villalobos, others) img78:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KS9-HZ?i=77&wc=3NTL-N3D

What interested me (and what might interest you) is img152: Francisco Antonio Peredo, en nombre de Maria Magdalena Davalos Bracamonte Orosco y Cervantes, Viuda del Capitan Pedro Antonio Trebuesto(?) Cavallero, hija legitima del Conde Don Pedro Alonso Davalos Bracamonte, del Orden de Santiago, Conde de Miravalle cc Condesa Doña Francisca Antonia de Orosco y Cervantes (hija legitima de Manuel Orosco y Cervantes, hijo de Mariana de Villalobos). The date is 30 May 1740, I believe.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KS9-SL?i=151&wc=3NTL-N3D

I just thought I'd post this for your records, as there are a lot of relationships defined in this document, and perhaps it can be of use

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Diego Villasenor-Tovar has a son named Francisco who marries Mariana Villalobos.

Francisco Villaseñor and Mariana Villalobos are the parents of Manuel Villasenor.

Manuel Villaseñor marries Teresa de Ribadeneira and they have a daughter named Francisca Antonia Villaseñor.

Francisca Villaseñor married Pedro Alonso D'Avalos Bracamonte

R.A. Ricci

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Dear manny,

I was so caught up in helping research the Avalos that I did not pay close attention to what may be the big clue. You wrote " Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor, who married first to Matias Gomez de Sotomayor". Did you descend from Mathias or from the second husband. When researching the Avalos I came across some property that the Avalos ancestors used to used to own. The property is said to have passed down many generations to the de Sotomayor family. I think it said Garcia de Sotomayor family so it might not be the same family.

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I just pulled out my copy of "retonos" by Marian Gonzalez Leal.

I did not read it first because I did not want it to influence my research. I'm glad that I didn't. My research corroborates his theories. There were two separate Avalos families yet both of them left descendants in los altos de Jalisco. Both of the Avalos(D'Avalos ) families intermarried with many of the same families. I have posted examples of the two Avalos families marrying into the Villasenor family.

Mariano does not give these lines that I have posted. these lines complement his work and validate his theories.

However, even if in Mexico they are two distinct lines, they are very interconnected so I believe that further research in Spain would show that these two Avalos lines come from the same family. It would be a big surprise if they weren't the same family because it would be to big a coincidence with all that they have in common such as who they marry and what social circles they ran in. They ran together

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Dear Manny,

I want to thank you again for seeking out and sharing these stories. The stories I hear about our ancestors give me a boost of energy to get back to doing more research. Even though I don't descend from the Avalos, that I know of, it was a true joy to hear the stories about the family. I am related through the Villasenor and Cervantes lines.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

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There is another Villaseñor D'Avalos connection that also has a Boccanegra connection.

Alonso de Avalos Velasco married Maria Delgadillo. Their daughter, Maria D'Avalos Delgadillo (aka Verdugo) married Diego Boccanegra, son of Juan Gutierrez de Boccnegra and Guiomar de Villaseñor y Cervantes

Guiomar de Andrada is the daughter of Conquistador Juan de Villaseñor and Catalina Cervantes.

R.A. Ricci

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Here is another de Avalos connection to the Villaseñor.

Gonzalo de Villasenor married to Aldonza Avalos e Hijar.

Gonzalo de Villasenor y Zuñiga and Aldonsa Avalos are this same couple.

Gonzalo is the son of Juan de Villasenor Tovar y Orosco,(encomendero de Guango) and Catarina Corona

Juan de Villasenor Tovar y Orosco,(encomendero de Guango) Is the son of Conquistador de Nueva España Juan de Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco and Catarina Cervantes y Andrada

Conquistador de Nueva España Juan de Villaseñor-Tovar Orosco is the son of Diego de Burgos Villaseño and Isabel Orosco

Aldonza d' Avalos e Hijar is the daughter of Diego Lopez de Saavedra and Francisca Fernandez de Hijar

Diego Lopez de Saavedra is the son of Alonso D' Avalos Saavedra and Maria Delgadillo

Diego Lopez de Saavedra is the son of Diego Lopez de Saavedra and Maria Verdugo

Maria Delgadillo is the daughter of Francisco Delgadillo and Isabel de Avalos

Francisca Fernandez de Hijar is the daughter of Alfonso de Bracamonte

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Manny,

this is pretty exciting. I think from the names these people use they have to come from either Gonzalo de Villasenor and Aldonza de Avalos Hijar or Diego de Villasenor and Geronima de Avalos. I just made a second connection to the Avalos Villasenor family the day before July 4th, so I'm really excited by this news. i already come from Ysabel de Avalos, daughter of Gabriel de Avalos and Maria de Quesada. and then the other day i connected throug the Diaz de Leons to Juana de Avalos/Villasenor. http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Villaseñor-17
i think it's the same person Cris was asking about earlier on the thread. i kinda thought the Gonsalo de Villasenor and Aldonza de Avalos hijar couple made sense cause a lot of them use Avalos and it seems that people use the most prestigious name and it doesnt seem like many families are more prestigious than the Villasenor family except maybe the Avalos de Hijar familiy. but, i'm really curious about any new information about these people

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I took a look at the posts and realized that I had left out a generation.

Gonzalo Villaseñor y Zuniga is the son Gonzalo Villaseñor Cervantes and Maria Zuñiga

So the line should read:

Gonzalo de Villasenor married to Aldonza Avalos e Hijar.

Gonzalo de Villasenor y Zuñiga and Aldonsa Avalos are this same couple.

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Gonzalo Villaseñor y Zuniga is the son Gonzalo Villaseñor Cervantes and Maria Zuñiga

I do not have Maria Zuñiga's parents.

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Gonzalo is the son of Juan de Villasenor Tovar y Orosco,(encomendero de Guango) and Catarina Corona

Juan de Villasenor Tovar y Orosco,(encomendero de Guango) Is the son of Conquistador de Nueva España Juan de Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco and Catarina Cervantes y Andrada

Conquistador de Nueva España Juan de Villaseñor-Tovar Orosco is the son of Diego de Burgos Villaseño and Isabel Orosco

Aldonza d' Avalos e Hijar is the daughter of Diego Lopez de Saavedra and Francisca Fernandez de

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Mr. Ricci,

Do you know who the parents are of Nicolas de Avalos y Villasenor are that's married to Ynes de Bocanegra. he was mentioned earlier on this thread

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

Nicolas de Avalos Villaseñor was son of Baltasar de Avalos Tobar and "Lucina" Ruiz de Aldana, according to the earlier post by Carlos Peredo (thank you, Carlos!). He was born in Lagos. Ines Macias Ortega was daughter of Francisco Macias Valades and Jacinta de Ortega, of Aguascalientes (she made her confirmation of 04 Jun 1634, Asuncion de Maria, Ags). They were married 25 Aug 1641, in Zamora, Michoacan, the source is "Familias y Casas de la Vieja Valladolid," and "Lucina" is likely a typo, or it might a second name for Juana Ruiz de Aldana.

Ines Macias de Ortega, with power of attorney of Nicolas de Avalos Villaseñor, sold a "predio rustico" in Aguascalientes, to Francisco Muñoz de Hermosillo, on 04 Jun 1689. This record can be found at the Aguascalientes Acervos Coloniales website.

This is the first time I've seen a child of Baltasar de Avalos using "Villaseñor."

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Dear Manny,

What do you think of the possibility that Baltazar descends from this Nicolas Villaseñor D'Avalos?

I know of a Nicolas Villaseñor D'Avalos, but I don't know who he was married to.

Nicolas Villaseñor-Tovar D'Avalos y de la Torre is the son of Diego Villaseñor and Jerónima de la Torre (born abt.1623)

Diego is the son of Diego Villaseñor-Tovar and Jerónima D'Avalos

I already posted Diego and Jerónima 's ancestry.

Rick A. Ricci

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Mr. Ricci and Manny,

I found this about the Villasenors and Cervantes and other families like Perez de Bocanegra:

http://www.museocjv.com/cedros/Los de Villasenor.pdf

http://www.bisabuelos.com/mex/cervantes.html

also, Manny have you connected Gaspar and Alonso to Gabriel de Avalos

Manny, you also mentioned that you have a person that uses Ruiz de Villasenor, i just found a person that uses Ruiz de Avalos here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-YM9G-32

Danny C. Alonso

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Dear Danny,

Even if you already have a lot of information, it is always a good practice to look at new sources that someone provides to see if you can find additional puzzle pieces. A source that you provided gave me such a gem. For Diego de Villaseñor y Cervantes I had only "Mariana Zuñiga" as her name. Your source says that her name is Mariana Zuñiga Villasagra.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

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Manny, Danny and Rick,

I've begun linking these families on Wikitree. It will probably take me a few days to add all the people Manny gave on this thread, but since several people descend from the Avalos, Villasenor and Tovar families, I think it will make it easier to find a connection. I've also linked Sebastian, Gaspar, Gabriel and Alonso as siblings. Here is Sebastian and from him you can link to the others. I think it's important to help in locating the origin of the Avalos Villasenor.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos-128

Chris

p.s. Danny, Thanks for that marriage of Simon Oviedo, I did not have that in my records.

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Hola prim@s,

I’m still sorting through what I have on alteña families using “Avalos Villaseñor”:

Bernardino de Avalos and Joseph Perez de Bocanegra were married 26 Apr 1664, Nuestra Senora de Guanajuato, Gto. Parents aren’t named, only that he’s from Jalostotitlan, and she’s from Gto. They likely moved back to Los Altos; most of the Avalos couples issued dispensations in San Juan and Mascota are related to this couple.

From various dispensations, we know they had two children:

1. Maria de Avalos y Bocanegra cc Juan Fernando Cordero
2. Joseph Bernardino de Avalos cc Paula Quezada.

Also, Bernardino de Avalos y Villasenor had 2 sisters:

1. Ysabel de Avalos, who was mother of Miguel de Avalos y Villasenor cc Maria Vasquez de Aviles (or Avila).
2. Augustina de Avalos, who had a daughter named Juana Gomez.

I don’t know who their spouses were. These 3 siblings were born roughly 1640-1650. I think they’re grandchildren of Baltasar de Avalos and Juana Ruiz, but only because the other

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Your welcome Manny and Chris,
I was trying to be helpful without any serious thought that I would be adding or changing information in my tree. It seems that I am being rewarded for helping out. There may be a change in my Villaseñor Lomelin line because of this research.

I have been digging deeper into the Villaseñor and D'Avalos connection. I found some interesting information on the Villaseñor family. This is from a secondary source but the author provides primary sources that I need to go back and check. There is a big implication for my family tree if this information is correct.

I had been researching the Villaseñor and Avalos connection without being a descendant of the Avalos line. I descend from the Villaseñor Lomelin family. In my research of the Avalos and Villaseñor I found that The web of the Avalos and Villaseñor is providing new information that is a little different than some of the information on the Villaseñor that we have taken for granted because genealogists

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Dear Carlos,

Thank you for sharing Mariana de Zuñiga's parents, Alonso de Zuñiga and Isabel de Villasagra.

There is a slight difference in the spelling Villasagra/Villasirga. Does Fr. Gabriel de Ibarrola provide any sources that we can use for leads and the correct spelling?

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

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Mr. Ricci,

here is a story about a convent in Villalcázar de Sirga which was probly combine to make Villasirga. they also mention a Mariana de Zuniga, not sure if its the same or differnet generation, but probly a relative for sure.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convento_de_las_Descalzas_Reales_(Vallado…

Danny C. Alonso

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Thank you again Carlos for providing the information on Marianas parents.

Rick A. Ricci

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Manny,

you mention that the Alarcon might come from the Quesada's. Here is an Alonso de Quesada married to a Doña Ysabel de Alarcon. they arent old enough to be the other ysabel Villaseñor Alarcons grandparents, but, since these people kept intermarying it at least shows a quesada connection to the alarcons.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KW83-D

also, i was looking for other Avalos and i think this Alonso de Avalos was the first Avalos here:

https://books.google.com/books?id=1fdkscN1Uj0C&pg=PA303&dq=Alonso+de+Av…

it says he came here with five Avalos brothers, cousins to Cortes

This books calls him Alonso de Avalos Savedra and gives his parents Pedro Lopez de Saavedra and Isabel Alvarez Rangel. Lopez de Saavedra was also the parents of Aldonza de Avalos de Hijar that married Gonzalo de Villasenor, so there's another connection between these famileis. I think all the

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Hi Danny,

It's probable that the Alonso de Quesada you mention, husband of Ysabel de Alarcón, is a sibling of Luisa and María de Quesada, that are married to the two Ávalos. All three Quesada's are probably the children of the Alonso de Quesada y Puga, alférez real and Juana Bautista Hernández de Arellano that Manny mentioned earlier.

Paige

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Paige i agree with you. thats why i added the alferez real Alonso de Quesada and Juana Baptista Hernades de arellano to the Wikitree and started adding the quesada ancestors, in case we connect our Quesada's to them. The Quesada's connects to the king of portugal through the Venegas family, you can see here

http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de Quezada-Family-Tree-100

Danny C. Alonso

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Jeronima d' Avalos is the daughter of Gonzalo Avalos and Juana Jerez Gomez

Juana Jerez Gomez is the daughter of Hernan Gomez de Jerez and Ana Rodriguez de Jerez

By finding that Jerónima is the daughter of Gonzalo Avalos, we have proven part of the theory stated by Mariano Gonzalez Leal to be true.

R.A.Ricci

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Agustin Iturbide, Miguel Hidalgo, and Morelos were all related through the Villaseñor. Agustin Iturbide Arramburu descends from the Villasenor/D'Avalos line.

Juan Villaseñor y Orozco And Catalina Cervantes de Lara y Andrada had at least eight children.
De este matrimonio se conocen 8 hijos (5 varones y 3 mujeres)

Juan de Villaseñor, son of Juan Villaseñor and Catalina Cervantes and is married to Catalina Corona,

José María Morelos y Pavón descends from Juan de Villaseñor and Catalina Corona

Miguel Hidalgo Costilla descends from Francisco de Orozco Tovar y Cervantes and Leonisia de Gasca y Reus

, Diego de Villaseñor Cervantes de Lara and Gerónima de Ávalos y Gómez are ancestors of the Iturbide Arramburu.

R.A.Ricci

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Hi Manny,

Unfortunately, I don't have any information on these families and haven't really done too much research since starting school, but, I do descend from Gabriel de Avalos and Maria de Mendoza/Quezada who are my 11th great grandparents. I do agree with your theory that Gaspar, Gabriel, Alonso, and Sebastian are brothers. I'm not sure about Baltasar, but it makes sense he might be too. I'm curious though, I have an Avalos that I haven't found parents for and am wondering if in your research you've come across a Juana de Avalos aka Juana de Villasenor. I'm estimating she was born sometime between 1650 and 1670. She was married to Francisco de Calderon. Their daughter Leogarda de Villasenor aka Leogarda de Calderon married Joseph Diaz de Leon aka Joseph Diaz de Sotomayor in 1709.

Chris

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Gaspar de Avalos KLQH-JG8 (ID for Familysearch.org) cc Luisa de Quezada y Mendoza
one of the children Nicolas is named Garcia de Avalos (?) one of the children Juan is born in Irapuato, Gto.

Alonso de Avalos MJRW-6VR cc Catalina de Orosco

Gabriel de Avalos LHTX-XTH cc Maria Quezada (m:26 NOV 1613 Santa Ma de los Lagos)

Sebastian de Avalos K87F-92K - cc Mariana de Castro

you probably have all this information. I worked on it in 2015 but somehow lost my way to others. Sebastian is my 9th greatgrandfather. I have him as Sebastian Balthazar.

A lot of records in San Luis Potosi, are not in Familysearch. I have been creating records from SLP, SLP (la cuidad), Mexico. If you need help just let me know.

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Hi Simona,

Yes, I have those. I have a lot on these four Avalos, which I will post this weekend.

How do you descend from Sebastian de Avalos? He's my g8, I descend from his son, Augustin de Avalos cc Magdalena Ruiz, then, their daughter, Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor, and her 2nd marriage to Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada.

And yes, SLP Sagrario has not been indexed. Thank you for your offer, but I too have been dredging the same archives, logging baptisms and padrinos. I have pages of names...

Gracias y Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Sebastian de Avalos was an arriero (muleteer), and they lived in Pozos, SLP. I have them with eight children:

1. Salvador de Avalos Castro, b. 08 Nov 1638, Sagrario SLP.
2. Augustin de Avalos Castro, b. 01 Oct 1640, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP; m. Magdalena Ruiz-Camarillo, 20 Mar 1661, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP.
3. Francisca de Avalos Castro, b. 19 Oct 1642, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP.
4. Geronima de Avalos Castro, b. 24 Oct 1644, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP; m. Manuel de Luna, 10 Apr 1663, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP.
5. Maria de Avalos Castro, b. 24 Mar 1647, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP.
6. Josepha de Avalos Gatica, b. 31 May 1649, Sagrario, SLP.
7. Juan de Avalos, d. 01 Nov 1681, Sagrario, SLP.
8. Sebastian de Avalos Castro, b. 13 Feb 1655, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP.

Sebastian de Avalos died and was buried 11 May 1658, in San Francisco de Pozos, SLP. No testo por no tener de que.

I don’t have Sebastian’s nor Mariana’s ancestry, but from the 09 Jun 1712 dispensa for Nicolas

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Members of the family would use the compound surname “Garcia de Avalos,” which I haven’t seen used by any of the other lines.

I have Gaspar and Luisa with twelve children:

a. Petrona de Avalos Quezada, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal; likely the same who married Diego del Castillo, of Armadillo, SLP.
b. Andrea de Avalos Quezada, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
c. Luisa de Avalos Quezada, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
d. Maria de Avalos Quezada, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal, m. Luis del Castillo, 06 Feb 1654, Santa Isabel, Armadillo, SLP.
e. Nicolas Garcia de Avalos Quezada, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal; d. 28 Mar 1657, Sagrario, SLP; m. Ysabel del Castillo, 23 Feb 1654, Santa Isabel, Armadillo, SLP.
f. Catalina de Avalos Quezada, d. 09 Oct 1651, San Matias, Pinos, Zac; m. Tomas de Carrion, 01 May 1642, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.
g. Ysabel de Avalos Quezada, m. Geronimo de Arroyo, 7 Dec 1646, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.
h. Juana de

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Luisa Avalos hija de Gaspar y Luisa Quezada caso en Guaniqueo en febrero de 1660 , con Alonso Hernandez de Motemayor , en la dispensas matrimoniales dice que el dicho Alonso tuvo comunicación ilicita con Juana Avalos hija de Bartolome de Avalos este a su vez hijo de Juan de Avalos hermano del dicho Gaspar padre de Luisa , con esto amplia a 5 hermanos Avalos contando a Gaspar

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Sebastian de Avalos + Mariana de Castro

Augustine de Avalos y Magdalena Ruiz Camarillo

Mathias Gomes Sotomayor +Ysabel Avalos (Ysabel matched with ur info and others on ancestry)

Joseph Gomes +Maria Francisca Cardenas (I did not continue on Familysearch gave up)

Maria Rita Gomez de Ruelas +Julian Delgado Gallegos

This is what I have in my line.

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I have Alonso de Avalos and Catalina de Orosco with ten children:

a. Francisco de Avalos Orosco, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal; m. Menosa Melendez.
b. Maria de Avalos Orosco, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
c. Juana de Avalos Orosco, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal
d. Leonor de Avalos Orosco, c. 22 May 1624, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal
e. Joseph de Avalos Orosco, b. 1625, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
f. Alonso de Avalos Orosco, b. 05 Aug 1628, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
g. Nicolas de Avalos Orosco, b. 1629, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
h. Juan de Avalos Orosco, b. 1634, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal; d. 28 Mar 1657, San Luis Potosi.
i. Catalina de Orosco, b. 1635, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
j. Geronimo Aparisio de Avalos Orosco, b. 1637, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal; d. 28 Mar 1657, San Luis Potosi.

Four of their children were confirmed in 1624, so Alonso and Catalina were probably married around 1614. This family group appears in the 1649 Padron for Jalostotitlan

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This is the couple I have the least information on. We know they were married (velados) 26 Nov 1613, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal. Maria Quezada is likely a sister of Luisa de Quezada y Mendoza (and who might be daughters of Alonso Quezada cc Juana Bautista Sanchez de Mendoza - anybody?). By 1625, Gabriel and Maria were living in Sierra de Pinos.

I have them with three children:

1. Ysabel de Avalos Villaseñor Quezada, b. 22 Feb 1616, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal, d. 17 Oct 1649, Pinos, Zac; m. Diego Carrion Tremiño.
2. Maria de Avalos Quezada, b. 09 Sep 1618, Santa Maria de Lagos, Jal.
3. Joseph de Avalos Quezada, b. 1625, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.

And then they drop off the map.

On 26 Jul 1639, a Gabriel de Avalos and Augustina de Velasco baptized Nicolas, in Sagrario, SLP; my first thought is, Maria Quezada died and Gabriel remarried. Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa Quezada baptized Mariana the previous 04 Jul 1638, also in Sagrario, SLP, so they were living in the area. It’s also possible

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Manny,

I had a question about some of the Avalos that also use the name Villasenor? do you know if theyre connected to the conquistador Juan de Villasenor or how they might be connected to him.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

I don't know the source of the name. My ancestor, Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor, adopted that name after her marriage. She was born Ysabel de Avalos, "Ruiz" is likely from her mother, and I assume "Villasenor" is connected to "Avalos," for teh reason I mentioned. I'm hoping someone here has more information.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hola prim@s,

The reason I started this thread, beside wanting to crack this riddle, is I recently stumbled upon some documents, that put this family in a whole new light, and which just might link these four men as brothers.

It all started with the entry for Gaspar de Avalos, in Rafael Morales Bocardo’s (RMB) “Diccionario biografico de antiguos pobladores de San Luis Potosi 1582-1666,” p 57:

“Vecino en la jurisdiccion del pueblo y ciudad de San Luis Potosi. El 24 feb 1657, se lo abrio proceso de oficio de la real justicia por la muerte del alferez real Gaspar de Amezquita. Fue sentenciado a la pena de muerte y ejecutado en la horca publica.”

”Resident of the town and city of San Luis Potosi. On 24 feb 1657, criminal proceedings began against him for the murder of alferez real Gaspar de Amezquita. He was sentenced to death and hung on the public gallows.”

Curious as to whether this was the same Gaspar de Avalos who was married to Luisa Quezada, I looked for his causa criminal in

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You certainly spun a great tale of the past. I am throwing out my John LeCarre books out!
As always, thank you for sharing your hard work and presenting it they way you do.

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WOW! Manny, this is crazy! I wish I was able to read it. I would read all 200 pages. earlier in the thread you said the partida said for Gabriel de Avalos and Augustina de Velasco that the parents were españoles del carcel. Did that mean his parents or hers or both? And, since I don't know who his parents are, do you think it's for the same crimes? And, is Gabriel de Avalos and Maria Quesada part of these crimes.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hola prim@s,

My connection to the Avalos is through my g6, Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor, who married first to Matias Gomez de Sotomayor, and secondly to Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada. She was daughter of Augustin de Avalos and Magdalena Ruiz, and granddaughter of Sebastian de Avalos and Mariana de Castro. When she married Matias Gomez in Panuco in 1683, she was “Ysabel de Avalos,” and by the time they first appear in Sierra de Pinos, in Nov 1689, she’s going by “Ysabel Ruiz.” Knowing how some women adopted their mother’s surnames after marriage, I never questioned this. She later added “de Villaseñor,” I assumed as a nod to her paternal, “Avalos Villaseñor.”

Overwhelmed with the Avalos OMG, I decided to take a break and research another line. While pulling a burial record from the Sagrario SLP archives, on the same page, I noticed the 1 Nov 1681 burial record for a Juan de Avalos. Really? I tried to ignore him, but decided to log him, for later research. And then I noticed the word

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Manny, im gonna start college next year. I already have a bunch of brochures and different programs that allow you to study Spanish in foreign countries but I don't think I can do it during my freshman year. but also my mom doesnt want me too because shes worried about terror and other stuff. but if im able to get into some of the schools I want to and am able to travel to study spanish I definitly will. 

About the Avalos, now Im hoping that Gabriel de Avalos that's with MAria de Quesada is a different person than Gabriel de Avalos that's with Ysabel de Orosco. although it does make a good story 

About Pedro de Avalos sister Maria, Gabriel de Avalos and MAria Quesada did have a dauther named Maria here is the baptism I got off of her Wikitree 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KWZ1-C 

i still wonder where the Villasenor comes from. it seemed like a lot of the Villasenors came from the Captain Juan de Villasenor here

 http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Villaseñor_y_Orozco_Tovar-1 

So

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PS to Danny: the partida for the 28 Nov 1643 baptism of Andres de Avalos Orosco names his parents as “Gabriel de Abalos y de Ysabel de Orosco, espanoles del carcel” (lower right):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGZ5-9QN9?i=126&wc=3VWB-929

In reference to the above comment, I'd like to clarify that it doesn't say "del carcel" (in any case, cárcel is a feminine noun and, given the case it would be "de la cárcel"), but "del carical", carical bein "carrizal", wrspelled with a single "r" and with the C (c cedilla) instead of "Z".