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I am afraid he is not the person you are looking for.

This is my proposal for the transcription of the record:

311 Tepatitlan Dn Ygnacio Romero español adulto
En esta santa Iglesia parroquial de Tepatitlán en tres de Julio de mil setecientos ochenta y seis años yo el Bachiller Don José Gabriel Medrano como teniente de cura di sepultura eclesiástica con entierro mayor, cruz alta, ciriales, capa, vigilia y misa al día siguiente con acompañados(¿?) en tierra de quince pesos a Don Ignacio Romero español adulto hijo de Don Francisco Xavier Romero y de Doña Efigenia Aldrete (¿?) murió de Involea (embolia) en este pueblo y para que conste lo firmamos el sr cura y yo.

And a very difficult translation:

311 Tepatitlan Dn Ygnacio Romero adult Spaniard

In this holy parochial church of Tepatitlan on July the 3th, 1786, I, the bachelor Don Jose Gabriel Medrano, as lieutenant of parish priest, enterred ecclesiastically with magnificent burial, high cross, candles, cape, vespers and mass on

Thanks for that information Claudia. I have been wondering where exactly to look for my ancestor's dispensa. I have to admit, I tried looking for it last month, but gave up due to time limits. I'm looking for a dispensa in 1835, but I know your not quite there yet. I may just wait for you! Haha. The work your doing is SO appreciated I'm sure! Michael D. Castro

Yvonne, I have found some of my missing MEDINA family listed or entered as MERINO, and vice versa, MERINO as MEDINA. May I suggest you try both spellings?

Gloria Delgado

Yvonne,

At the moment, I haven't been able to find any more on your
Great-grandfather's lines.

But have you ever done much research on your great-grandmother's (Maria
Concepcion) lines?

thanks,
Jonathan Walker

Esperanza....congratulations on finding your ancestors!!!
I'm exuberant with joy for you, this was evident in my
telephone call to you. You are such a beautiful, extraordinary,
accomplished lady.

Joseph, thank you for your vision of establishing the Rancho's
forum, and bringing lost families together. Esperanza and I
have been communicating since the days of your Yahoo's Group,
and we share many common ancestors. Gracias.

Helyn

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From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho del Terrero and Luna line discovery.

I have been trying to find my gg grandfather's Luna line for a very long 
time - I finally made a discovery - my ggg grandfather's name was Jose
Nicomedes  Luna (born 1814) at the Rancho del Terrero, which is south of
Tepechitlan.  To the north is Cicacalco and just north of that is Tlaltenango!

I was able to obtain my ggg grandfather's

Yeeah! I'm happy for you, Hope I have the same good luck with my elusive GGrandfather Prudencio Olmos.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho del Terrero and Luna line discovery.

I have been trying to find my gg grandfather's Luna line for a very long 
time - I finally made a discovery - my ggg grandfather's name was Jose
Nicomedes  Luna (born 1814) at the Rancho del Terrero, which is south of
Tepechitlan.  To the north is Cicacalco and just north of that is Tlaltenango!

I was able to obtain my ggg grandfather's parents and their parents -- so 
off I go....

Esperanza - Chicagoland area

Hi Cammi, the marriage record says he is 38. Sometimes you just don't find them for whatever reason.. Not sure if you have the marriage information record, it doesn't offer anything new~
marriage information recorded 30 Aug 1873 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Arcadio Amescua single from Tamazula age 38
parents: Trinidad Amescua and Maria Torres both living
with: Soledad Ochoa single from Tamazula age 17
parents; Jose Maria Ochoa living and Ygnacia Espinosa deceased
no blood relationship
witness: Juan Valencia from Tamazula widower age 50
witness. Gregorio Reyna from Tamazula married age 43
witness: Jesus Lopez from Tamazula married age 25
source: 0226053 film
page 255 Family search online pilot program
 
Linda.

________________________________
From: Cammi Amezcua
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arcadio Amezcua birth and death record missing!!!

Hello!  I'm having a heck of a time finding a birth and

de dónde eran? http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#searchType=close&… fijate que prudencio se llamaba de primer nombre Bernardino en el acta de su hija Maria Juliana Errera San Martin 16 jan 1762 Tlaltenango, Zacatecas batch C60089-7 film 443805 Leticia Reynoso
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>> Does anyone know more about the ancestors of these individuals?
>
> All I''ve been able to ascertain is that Nicolaza's mother was Manuela Estrada..
>
> ----------
> Alguien sabe mas de esta pareja que se casaron en 1757? No he podido encontrar los padres de Prudencio y solamente encontre la madre de Nicolaza que se llamaba Manuela Estrada

We need a little more to go on. What state or town, date.

Aquí le va mi estimado Raul:

Groom's Name: Juan Josef Hurtado
Bride's Name: Maria Thimothea Gonzalez Ruvio
Marriage Date: 14 Feb 1778
Marriage Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Josef Antonio Hurtado
Groom's Mother's Name: Maria Vazquez De Lara
Bride's Father's Name: Pedro Gonzalez Ruvio
Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez
Source Film Number: 279297

Hola Salvador.....aùn tienes o ya lo publicaste, sobre los pasajeros q salieron de España????? me podrias orientar para poder revisar dicha lista????
Agradezco mucho...saludos Amanda (matusalem)

Suena interesante, podrias compartirlo mandandolo por email o decirnos como
conseguirlo.

gracias

In a message dated 7/11/2009 8:47:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cabval@gmail.com writes:

tengo literatura sobre pasajeros a indias en pdf con casi 600 paginas ,
trae indice de nombres de personas que llegaro en el siglo XVI y XVII de
españa y ademas notas

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Espero estar en lo correcto y sea lo que buscas

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZFC-QYV

En family search encontraras la fecha del matrimonio de Juan Jose Hurtado Y María Timotea Gonzalez, en ella indican los nombres de los padres de Juan Jose que fueron Jose Antonio Hurtado y María Vasquez de Lara, y los padres de Maria Timotea fueron Pedro Gonzalez Rubio y Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez, la fecha del matrimonio fue 14 Feb 1778 en Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,​Jalostotitlan

El acta de matrimonio la encontraras aqui
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-24634-49?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos..

Saludos Enrique,

Sé cómo te sientes. También tengo antepasados ​​cuyos nacimientos no puedo confirmar, estos (en mi caso) normalmente son del siglo XVIII.

Pero mi antepasado Doroteo Montaño (nacido en 1835), quien durante toda su vida usó el apellido "Montaño", fue bautizado con el nombre de Doroteo Quintero hijo natural de Victoriana Quintero y de padre no conocido. Así es como, cuando yo estaba investigando su bautismo, no lo pude encontrar.

Sin embargo, cuando se casó en 1862 con Eduarda Sandoval de Zacatecas, utilizó por primera vez el apellido Montaño y más tarde declaró que su padre era Patricio Montaño y su madre era Victoria Quintero, en los bautismos de sus hijos.

Patricio, su padre, era el esposo de María Nieves Zárate, con quien tuvo sus otros hijos (legítimos). Patricio nunca reconoció a su hijo Doroteo, y puede ser que Victoriana decidió darle su apellido a su hijo, pero cuando creció Doroteo le dijo el nombre y apellido de su padre.

Tengo otro antepasado, Gerardo

Laurel,

It may be very likely that you descend from the Oredain family of Guadalajara. They were very well established in the 17th and 18th centuries in Nueva Galicia and Mexico City. Countless of research reports and a couple of books are dedicated to this family. I am related to them through the Fernandez de Hijar. Let us know if you find any other info.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Abram,

Since my ancestor Cristóbal Pérez López was married 19 December 1577 he
couldn't have been born after 12 Oct 1586. Therefore, the marriage you are
looking for is for a couple that aren't the parents of Cristóbal Pérez
López. These are common last names and documents from that era in Spain are
extremely hard to find so it isn't very likely you will be getting any
farther on that line unless you go to Spain to look up the documents in
person as others have done for other families. You energy is better spent
researching other ancestors until you are old enough to go there yourself.

Armando

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:52 PM, wrote:

> I can't find the city of Valladold Spain in Family Search.com
>
> this is the marriage record im looking for
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/F5Q2-KLH
>

It's Ysidro Muños and Maria Magdalena Bermejo and Ana Maria Soria.

Alicia,
San Jose, ca

________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help in reading this document please help.

I cant quite figure out what the last name of Cenon's Grandmothers from both sides all i can read is Maria Magdelena.....???and for the other grandmother Ana maria...??? please help.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15092-1073-99?cc=1410092&wc=…

Jose Cenon Munoz Duran is the one being baptized his parents are Jose Antonio Munoz and Rosalia Duran

Estimada Sra,

Estoy interesado en adquir la coleccion, vivo en los EE.UU. No se si podia ayudarme en adquirlo. Por favor dejame saber si hay alguien que podia enviarle dinero y me los envie. Gracias.

Atte.
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

a que libros te refieres?
son los nuevos libros o la coleccion pasada?

2012/3/27

> gracias a la ayuda doy informacion certera de que en el edificio de fondo
> y cultura están a la venta la coleccion que buscaba para las personas que
> tambien esten interesadas la direccion seria; prolongacion alcalde 1855 y
> el telefono es el 38192476 con las srita. valentina. esto es en
> guadalajara, jalisco mexico.
>
> me encuentro muy entusiasmada por tenerlos en mis manos.

Hey Roxanne,

El rancho Los Ocotes se encuentra a unos kilometros al noreste de San
Miguel. Ya casi nadie vive allí. Yo tengo lo que buscas, escríbeme prima!

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Roxanne Ocampo
wrote:

> Hola!
>
> I have been searching for my GUTIERREZ family for months with no luck.
> Last night (by phone) a relative read me the following contents from a
> birth record. I'm hoping one of our members may have a lead on this
> location or these ancestors?
>
> Born Miguel Avalos GUTIERREZ, 8 May 1904, vecino del Rancho de Ocotes, San
> Miguel el Alto.
> Hijo de Maria M. Espectacion Avalos y Mariano Gutierrez.
> Abuelos paternos Sipriano Gutierrez y Andrea Rodriguez. Abuelos Maternos
> Ramon Avalos y Jacinta Pacencia.
> Testigos (casados y de edad de este domicilio) Tomas Vasquez y Antonia
> Ramirez
>
> This is my grandfather's brother.
>
> With the above information I found a possible link to these grandparents:
>
> Ramon Avelar (possibly Ramon Avalos) y Jacinta Pacencia
>

Dear Roxanne:
I did not see the marriage listed, but I might have missed it. It is batched on the familysearch.org site. Here is the marriage of Jacinta Placencia and Ramon Avelar:

Feb 3 1864 San Miguel El Alto
LDS batch M603303
Film # 0279453
Marriages 1852-1870

You may want to order the film as they often have both sets of parents listed, where they were from, whether they were alive or not at the time of the wedding and sometimes occupations.

I have worked a lot with these records and Placencia is sometimes spelling Plasencia, Placensia, etc. "C's" and S's" are often interchangeable.

Maureen

Additional information on some of your ancestors; you might want to look at the originals since they often have additional information:

Name: Maria Espectacion Avalos
Gender: Female
Christening date: 21 Dec 1884
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Ramon Avalos
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Jacinta Placencia
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-3
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Ysidro Gutierrez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 18 May 1888
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color

Hello there everyone ,

I met a young couple from Concepcion de Oro , Zacatecas yesterday and we talked a bit about genealogy and I told them that I have seen several folks in this group that have mentioned this town . SOOOO , if there is anyone in this group that would like to see if they can make contact with people of this town let me know .

Take care,

Welester G. Alvarado

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Youll find all the altenos are related! Our families and ancestors intrmarried far beyond and worse then the royalty of Europe.

-Daniel

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Dear Roxanne:
It looks as if Daniel has helped you beyond repair. I had not seen his post and was just looking up the same information. I found Guadalupe and Anastacio on familysearch also. Just wanted to let you know that the Florentino Placencia Gutierres 1828 baptism, where one of my Ledesma's was a sponsor, had the following information, so I do not think it is linked to yours yet, but if you ever need this one, let me know and I will scan it:

Parents of Florentino:
Eleuterio Placencia and Mataria Gutierres
Paternos: Martin Placencia and Juana Baldivia
Maternos: Pedro Gutierres and Maria Morillo (sp?)
Padrinos: Crisanto Alvardo and Dolores Ledsma
Rancho Moya

Reference LDS 0279425
Baptisms 1821-1832 San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, MX
Batch C603294

Dear Roxanne:
I started to recognize the names right away. Sadly do not have any of the records, but I can tell you the Gutierres family married into my Ledesma family. One son of Juana Maria Ledesma Cervantes married to Luis Gutierres born in 1830, his name Jose De La Asuncion, and he was born Rancho de Ocotes. A little earlier date than you are needing.

I can help in your search a bit. You may try looking for alternative spellings. I have some Avalos family member with the spelling Abalos and Pacencia is likely Placensia or Placencia. Vasquez can often be found as Vasques. I had a Ledesma sponsor to a Florentino Placencia Gutierres b. 10/15/1828 Rancho Moya. I have to look to see if I have the record and who Florentino's parent's were. Sometimes I just jotted down the information rather than copying the record who my people were just sponsor's of other's baptisms.

If you find other parts of the family, check back with me and I might be able to help with some

Hi Roxanne! Well Ocotes is a very old ranch in San Miguel. San Miguel el Alto is part of the

Los Altos family region. Gutierrez is a very old Spanish colonial last name around these

parts. May include Gutierrez de HErmosillo, Gutierrez de Laris, Gutierrez de Mendoza etc.

I found a son of Cipriano and Andrea, the marriage of Cipriano 9If you dont have alread)

I also dont think the last name was Avelar, never heard of that name in Los Altos. I found

several children too. (The records are below that I found, maybe you have them) Well your

next step is to order the marriage film for Ramon Avalos and Jacinta Plascencia. I think getting

out of the 1800s is the hardest part, bear in mind once you do (and you should be able to)

you are going to learn SO MUCH! I know I have, Im still well rounded from 1500s to 1700s.

Be careful, Altenos do not tend to stay around, they kept moving all around the region which

socially extends into Jalisco, Zacatecas, aguascalientes, Guanjuato

Hi Chris, Does all your family live in the valley? We decend from Felicidad Villarreal. She married Pedro Esparza. They settled the San Pedro Carricitos land grant about 1824. Felicidad had a brother Placido that married into the Trevino family ( Petra T.) Any connections here?

One of our members married Fernando Perez. THis line of Perez was in the bakery business.
Also have in our tree Chapa, Cavazos, Solis, Garcia, Pineda, Trevino and so many more.

I am sure we connect. Please send us your family data from way back so we can try to make these connections. Most of us use Family Tree Maker....and we will give you plenty of notice when the genealogy group meets again..... Phyls

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Pineda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:19 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Breakthrough on my Pineda/Pinedo research

For years, I couldn't find much information about my Pineda/o line. My grandfather

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Esta seria mi interpretacion del manuscrito, ya que el mismo se encuentra en muy mal estado, espero te sea de utilidad...

Velados
Cristobal de Villalobos
Y Maria Perez

En diez y nueve de octubre de mil quinientos noventa y cuatro años yo el bachiller Joan Ugarte habiendo y hechas las amonestaciones y demas diligencias y con mandamiento del provisor y no constando de ningun impedimento, despose y di las bendiciones nupciales en esta iglesia a Cristobal de Villalobos vecino de esta ciudad y natural de la villa de Maria de …… en los reynos de Castilla hijo de Mateo …. Y de Bernandina San Clares con ¿?.... natural de esta ciudad hija de Cristobal ….y Madalena siendo testigos Diego Muñoz ………baracin y Francisco Blanco y Andres ……

Saludos