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Hello,
I am first Generation and I cannot speak Spanish. My father came from Acatic Jalisco in 1955 and he spoke no english. We even lived in Mexico when I was a little girl and I spoke it fluently when we came back. My dad never continues to speak Spanish to me. Unfortunately I didn't take it in school, it never made sense to me, it wasn't Mexican. So now when I see my relatives, my father speaks for us. Its very frustrating!

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From: Elisa Joyce
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 4:41:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 42, Issue 5

I am also the third generation born in this country. My father was raised in
East L.A. his grandparents came from Aguascalientes and Culiacan. My father
only spoke spanish until the age of 5 when he started attending public
school. My mother is a NewYorican ( a Puerto Rican from New York) her mother
came as a girl w/parents from Humacao, PR. She says she dosen't ever

This is good, not always accurate but a good start.

In a message dated 7/4/2009 8:59:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com writes:

http://translate.google.com/translate_t#en|es|translate%20English%20into%20S
panish

Para los que necesitan traducir los e-mails a ingles/espanol

Link for those who need translations for Enlish/Spanish.

How's that? Ha! como les parecen?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Joseph,

I tried to print out my surnames and Tony's (Olague and Cervantes) and they wouldn't print off this website. Did you have to pay to get the image and the history? They wanted almost $20.00 just for the image.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] YDNA Update

I'm pretty much going from a 80thcousin/friends information who is much
much more knowledgeable than I am in DNA understanding. Here are some
communications I've had with him:

Specifically it comes from:
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/puentes-coat-arms.htm

====================

On the subject of your haplogroup, red means predicted as opposed to
confirmed. The certificate you emailed me from Ethno (S21+)390 is
confirmation of your U106. I suggest emailing it to FTDNA and
requesting that your haplo be changed to R1b1b2g green as

Patty,

Me interesa este libro.

-Angelina-

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of patty haro
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:36 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara de Luz Montejano

hola,
Ya tengo donde conseguir el libro en la Ciudad de México, le interesa a
alguien?, cuesta aprox. $100 US mas gastos de envio.

Hoal Patty ,I am interested.

Ronnie Reynoso

> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:35:41 -0500
> From: pattyharo@gmail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara de Luz Montejano
>
> hola,
> Ya tengo donde conseguir el libro en la Ciudad de México, le interesa a
> alguien?, cuesta aprox. $100 US mas gastos de envio.

I need to add to a comment I made earlier. The comment was "The información matrimonial will always be prior to the date of the marriage. After all of the requirements are met then the couple is give permission to marry." Although this in essence is true, occasionally additional information is found out and the marriage is suspended during the ensuing investigation. This could take place years after the permission to marry was given. Depending on the outcome of the investigation the marriage could be annulled or reinstated.

Saludos desde Lago Salado,
Eduardo H Seoane

I have also found these quite valuable. I have found information that is not in the actual marriage records; I have found matrimonial information for couples that I know have children, but cannot find the marriage records.

Searching for the documents can be a challenge. The earliest ones (1600's) are often not in chronological order, and in fact, different years may be mixed in.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Thank you, Rose, for sharing your findings regarding marriage information. Where could I find it? is is available online like FHS? This is the first time I hear about these type of records. I am familiar with the term and process as it is used nowdays when a couple applies to be married in the Catholic church.

Gracias, Rose, for compartier tus resultados respecto a la informacion matrimonial. Donde podria encontrarla? Esta disponible en linea como FHS? Esta es la primera vez que oido de este tipo de registros. Estoy familiarizada con el termino y proceso de nuestra epoca cuando una pareja pide casarse en la iglesia Catolica.

Rosie Cordova

Eduardo,

This is a totally different subject. I just started extracting records from the State of Mexico. I was doing 1930 Census Indexing and had no problem. With their new updates I am having a hard time with the extractions--not the language but the instructions. Can you help me with that? I have gone to the FHC in Mission Valley, several times but I guess I can only get help from the right person once a month (1st Wedesday of each month). The only other thing I can do is call SLC and hope they can help me. The last time I tried I ended up struggling until I figured it out on my own. There must be an easier way! Let me know if you can help. Thanks. -Esther Jordan (Lopez)esther@enhanced.org

As far as the digitizing of the records and putting them online, I doubt
that we will see any of those any time soon, FamilySearch seems to be
placing things online in an alphabetical manner. So good luck with
Zacatecas!

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Eduardo Seoane
wrote:

>

The información matrimonial will always be prior to the date of
the marriage. After all of the requirements are met then the couple is
give permission to marry.
Often you will find that there is a marriage record both in the city were
the groom was from as well as the bride since they had to publish the
marriage in both places in the three festive consecutive days (at Mas). The
marriages normally took place in the city where the bride was from. The
record in the city where the groom was from is more like an informative
account of the marriage. Whereas the record at the brides parish is the
actual marriage. Like all things, this scenario will not always be the case.
So do not expect to always find documentation in both places.

Saludos desde Lago Salado,
Eduardo H Seoane

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM, wrote:

> I have been doing genealogy for the past 18 years and never found the
> benefits of the Information Matrimonial records until last night. In the
> past I have ordered rolls

Hi Irma, this has always been an interesting topic to discuss, I think that many people have reasons and times to shorten their names, I have a sister from church and the FHC her name is still Ruiz de Esparza, she is from Cosío, Ags. We just call her sister Esparza, its customs like this that might a reason, I wasnt aware you were related to Vic. Ferr I have him in my database along with all the G. de Mendoza. Anyway I think it really just depends on the person, a general from Santa María de los Lagos, was named Moreno de Ortega, they later changed the city's name ti Lagos de Moreno in his honor. He used his European-style surname till the end of the war of independece when he died. My grandfather told me once, I need to ask him again! Ill just paraprase what I remember, that there was a time the Mexican government tried to get rid of all compound last names, but were not successful, it was an effort to create equality, since the compound showed lineage and blood, but it failed, in the

Stuart,
I have a situation where I do have father and mother for the great, great, great grand-parents. However, while the father's side is OK, the maternal grandparents are listed as "abuelos maternos no conocidos." One of the children does have a grandmother.

Should this be interpreted as the grandmother was unwed? I am a little bit confused. Can you help me with this? Do you want names? Thank you for any help you can give me.

--Esther Jordan Lopez

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
treinta y uno de Henero 1740 ... Maria Antonia, india originaria de el
Pueblo de San Joseph hija de padres no conocidos, fueron sus padrinos
Simon Benites y Juana de Lara, á quienes advertí su obligación y
parentesco espiritual, y lo firme con dicho Señor Cura

This record is very typical for children of unknown parents, and the
padrinos named here happen to be my wife's direct-line ancestors. I
wonder what the relationship was between Antonia and her

Stuart,
sometimes the child(ren) of PNCs were the bastard child(ren) of the
"Padrino" and occasionally of the "Madrina." Marge

On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Stuart Armstrong wrote:

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
treinta y uno de Henero 1740 ... Maria Antonia, india originaria de el
Pueblo de San Joseph hija de padres no conocidos, fueron sus padrinos
Simon Benites y Juana de Lara, á quienes advertí su obligación y
parentesco espiritual, y lo firme con dicho Señor Cura

This record is very typical for children of unknown parents, and the
padrinos named here happen to be my wife's direct-line ancestors. I
wonder what the relationship was between Antonia and her godparents,
when there are no other parents known. Did the godparents assume
responsibility for raising the child? Did they merely fine her a home?
Did they do little or nothing but allow their names to be written
down? Just how seriously did godparents take "su obligación y
parentesco

Estimado Stuart buenos días.

Cualquiera de las preguntas que haces puede ser la respuesta.

La obligación para con los padrinos era más que nada espiritual, dependiendo de sus posibilidades ellos podían llevar o no a los niños a sus casas. Los niños podían quedar bajo la custodia de Iglesia mientras se les buscaba un hogar pero el bautismo era algo que no podía ni debía postergarse ya que la muerte asechaba todo el tiempo. Por eso se les buscaba padrinos con urgencia para poder bautizarlos.

Casi siempre esos infantes toman los apellidos de los padrinos, puedes buscar que pasó con esa niña, pudo haber muerto ya que el íncice de mortalidad era muy alto o puedes buscar en los expedientes matrimoniales si es que se casó, es en esos documentos en donde se encuentra la mayor información útil para cualquier investigador o genealogísta ya que las partidas de libros de bautismo, matrimonio y entierros son muy breves.

El índice de niños hijos de padres no conocidos e Hijos de la

David Serna I have taken it to be the the " area of origin " perhaps not defining the exact rancho, or defining where the birth records are located. I would expect to find the birth record in the " Originario " location.
I could see this being misleading if a person were nacido in Zacatecas, lived for 2 yrs ; at a young age moved to Aguascalientes for 15 years; then moved to Teocaltiche,Jalisco where he ended up marrying.
I would expect the marriage document to say Originario de Aguascalientes.

Sin duda la palabra "originario" es sinonimo de "nacido en", quizas haya algun error al escribir el registro por la persona que lo efectuo, como muchos otros errores importantisimos que hemos encontrado atravez de la investigacion de los registros originales de nuestros ancestros, un saludo y si alguien mas tiene comentarios adicionales, bienvenidos.

Joseph,

Salvador Cabral Valdés is an active member and I believe moderator of the
group GENEALOGIA DE MEXICO. I don't think he is a member of NR.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] salvadorcabral

Is SalvadorCabral part of the NR group? I found this on Rootsweb and
wondered if I need to invite this person or if he/she is already part of
the group. Is this possibly you: Sylvia H Corona?

Dear R Cordova,

sorry, I don't know what your given name is, so I'll use R. Cordova

I believe that most of us transcribe records from films that we order via our family history centers through the Mormon Church.

We order the films from Salt Lake City, receive them at our local centers and take the time necessary to view them, copy, photograph or scan them and then transcribe the findings from those films on to a database.

It sounds like you're off to a good start, you have ordered and viewed your first film and already found and made a connection. If you keep that film on permanent loan at your local family history center, you'll most likely be able to look at it again few years from now and will be able to find more records of ancestors in your family tree. When viewing records early on, it's difficult to gauge who's family and who's not.

I hope I answered your question.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: "rcordovamba@aol.com"
To: research@lists

Dear R..

 
The 3 films I transcribed were from Jerez Zacatecas and are in the film section.  I digitally photographed them but deleted each record and only kept the transcription.  The thousands of photo's I took were taking up too much room on my computer and it was the translation I was interested in. Everyone does them differently I would assume.. I only make copies of direct ancestors.
 
Linda in B.C.

--- On Tue, 6/16/09, rcordovamba@aol.com wrote:

From: rcordovamba@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Records
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 12:07 AM

Sigue en espanol.

I am new to genealogy. I ordered my first film from my local family history center. I guessed about the year and the place. However, I was lucky and found a relative. I ordered baptism records from San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco (1855-1857).

Some members of Nuestros Ranchos have mentioned that they have transcribed records and post them here or that they have finished the

Hi there. If anyone knows...I noticed that Tijuana and Ensenada are listed in the BC Sur records. Does anyone know if there is a separate index for BC Norte? I am specifically in need of Mexicali, BC Norte. I know that Mexicali was not incorporated until the 1902-1905, or so...but one of my branches was established there in the 1930's.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Gracias!

Thank you Daniel,
I was looking at the films for the Misón de Santa Gertrudis, Baja California
Sur on Friday at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. Now I
can look at them from home! Thanks for the heads up!

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:07 PM, wrote:

> Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that the family search pilot now has the
> Baja California Sur Catholic records 1750-1983 so it might help someone out
> there.
> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;…

Elisa,
I am in the Library every day, (some Saturdays no Sundays, library is
closed) ask for me at the research counter and (someone will find me) and
I'll help you out my name is Eduardo H Seoane I will not be there this
coming Wednesday.

The rest of the group can ask me anything and if I have the time I will be
more than happy to help. If you have personal requests make sure to email me
directly, but if you have requests that the group would benefit from hearing
or can help solve then go ahead and post it on the Nuestros Ranchos website
so that all can benefit from the answer. Furthermore, be advised that I
might post some of the Q & A that we engage in on the Nustros Ranchos
website if I feel others might benefit from the information; I will advise
you first of my intentions.

Saludos desde Lago Salado,

Eduardo H Seoane

most of my ancesters (back to the mid-1500s) are from Jalisco. What area and surnames are you researching?

Jose Carlos de Leon

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> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: elisaakamommy@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:05:02 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching in Ojuelos, Jalisco
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm brand new to this forum and would like to know if there is anyone out there who is researching in the same area as I am? I live in Salt Lake City and go to the Family History Library once a week. I am very willing to help anyone out who needs it. I am hoping that there is someone who is familiar with this area of Jalisco and could give me a few pointers or useful historical info. Thanks.
>
> elisaakamommy

Here is the first installment of my transcriptions (more properly
"Interpretations") of christening records of Ags. This group of
records begins with christenings from la hacienda de Santiago de
Guadalupe, feligresía de la Villa de Aguascalientes, beginning in
1726. They are the first christening records of the area. (Prior to
1726 they were recorded in the Aguascalientes Sagrario volumes, going
back to about 1601.) Some of these are specifically marked Labor de
Santiago, but most are Hazienda de Santiago. Some of the baptisms were
apparently performed in San José de Gracia (usually written San
Joseph), or Paredes (sometimes written Paderes), or Pabellón, or a few
other places, as noted. Often the origin (birthplace) of the child is
given also, and sometimes the age. Most of the records also give the
caste or race designation, which I have found does not always agree
with the race recorded when the same children got married.

This project is a learn-as-you-go exercise, so the quality