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Arandas Batch Numbers



Arandas Batch Numbers:

Matrimonios:

    Batch #            Year Range         Film #

M604434 1870 - 1885 0279678
M604433 1852 - 1870 0279677
M604432 1832 - 1852 0279676
M604431 1812 - 1832 0279675
M604429 1802 - 1812 0279674

Bautismos:

      Batch #            Year Range         Film #
    C604427       1867 - 1873       0279541

C604426 1862 - 1867 0279540
[gap]

    C604423       1846 - 1853       0279537
   [gap]

C602959 1828 - 1833 0279534
C602958 1824 - 1828 0279533
[gap]
K602955 1803 - 1818 0279530
J602955 1803 - 1818 0279530
C602954 1802 - 1813 0279529
C602953 1789 - 1806 0279528
C602952 1785 - 1800 0297527
C602951 1768 - 1785 0279526



Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

Hola Ranchos-

Feliz navidad a todos and  prospero ano nuevo. My name is Ms. Clinton Nash and I live in Davis, California and I am grateful to be on this list.  I am begining research on my children's father's side,  Jose Luis GARNICA de Ajijic. His father, Jose Luis GARNICA was born in Arandas and had green eyes.  I will be posting the little I have soon.



Celebration of La Navidad:

 I once lived in Ajijic, a small puebla on the shores of Lago Chapala.  In the days before Christmas, panoramas appeared in doorways. I was overawed at the complexity and beauty of the elaborately constructed panoramas of miniature people, animalitos, trees, houses la gente walking toward the Baby Jesus in the manger. These displays, often as large as a sheet of plywood, 4' x 8' , were such an exquisite reflection of true faith and belief. The effort and devotion was immense. I will never forget them.



The fireworks during those twelve days before Christmas were wonderful. Attached to poles in the plaza

Was: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia/WorldCat



Yes this is great you have your own copy of a hard to find book
[WorldCat showed it is available at only 6 libraries] available to you
close by. But for other books that you might want to consider doing an
ILL for I would look at WorldCat. Check with your local library and see
if they subscribe to WorldCat and if you can access it at home or maybe
you can access it only at the branch or a University library. . .in
fact maybe taking Adult continuing education or being a friend of the
library will allow you to access WorldCat from home. Your local large
University library might surprise you as to how much information they
have on Jalisco. I live close to Duke and they have soooo much that it
will take me many years to be comfortable that I've accessed all the
info that might be valuable to my research.



WorldCat is a Library Catalog of Libraries all over the world. When you
access it and plug in keywords like "Los Altos de Jalisco" you get
results like this:



         All

 83      

Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

Deborah,
I did not know you joined the Ranchos Group. 
Yes, we did not get a chance to talk and I will definately give you any
information that I come across.  It will have to be after the
holidays.  I have just started entering it into a genealogy program but can
give you copies of what Steven and I have uncovered. 
 
I will also try to get over to see your
dad.   How is he doing? 
 
Have a Merry Christmas!  Have to go to sleep
because my daughters will wake me up very early. 
 
Genealogy is very addicting.
 
Tu Prima,
Nena
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:55
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Retonos de Espana
En Nueva Galicia

        Nena -- your prima Deborah
Ortiz here.  We didn't get a chance to chat much but I do have a copy of
"Retonos de
       
Espana en la Nueva Galicia por Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal.  Tomo1 -- Los Altos de Jalisco.  I believe there are

Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

        Nena -- your prima Deborah
Ortiz here.  We didn't get a chance to chat much but I do have a copy of
"Retonos de
       
Espana en la Nueva Galicia por Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal.  Tomo1 -- Los Altos de Jalisco.  I believe there are 4
or 5
        books in the series covering
different time periods.  You should feel free to use mine -- all in
Spanish! When we
       
finally coordinate schedules we'll be able
to connect the dots and families..
 
       
Deborah Ortiz
-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Elena
Gutierrez-Uhlenburg [mailto:uhlenburg@...]
Sent: Sunday,
December 21, 2003 10:49 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Retonos de Espana En
Nueva Galicia

This request is directed for Maria
Cortez or anyone having any
knowledge of the book listed above in the
Subject line.  I would
really like purchase this book.  I am
very interested in the history
of Los Altos de
Jalisco.

Thanks,
Nena



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Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

This request is directed for Maria Cortez or anyone having any 
knowledge of the book listed above in the Subject line.  I would 
really like purchase this book.  I am very interested in the history 
of Los Altos de Jalisco.

Thanks,
Nena 


New File downloaded on 11-30-03

Please see the new file Steven has sent me dated 11-30-03.

Working together is definately the key to unlocking more knowledge.  
As, some of us have more years of knowledge regarding "Genealogy 
Research" it is great to share our resources.

Steven, has been very helpful with his knowledge and connections.  I 
hope to someday become very knowledgeable in this field.  I am a 
novice but learning more every day.  

I also want to thank Irma Gomez-Lucero for her wealth of knowledge on 
genealogy in Jalisco.

After Christmas and New Years pass I will try to work more on my 
genealogy.  I will also refer family members to this website.  So 
some day we can complete most of this very interesting puzzle of our 
ancestors.

Gracias and Adios,
Nena 


Tayagua, Zacatecas/How do you Celebrate?

From what I know is that most every home built their own manger some which were very elaborate.
 
Posadas were and are still a major part of the Christimas celebration. The children and their families travel with Jose and Maria seeking lodging during Advent. At the last home of the evening they serve beverages made from sugar cane and fresh fruits steeped in sweetened water. Each family makes their beverage slightly different. They then have a Pinata for the children and they are filled with candies called colaciones and other assorted candies.
 
Gifts were not a part of Christmas in the early days. Children would set their shoes out on Christmas Eve and wait for El Nino Dios to fill their shoes with hard candies. And of course being mostly Catholic there was midnight mass with a procession and mass again on Christmas Day.
 
I'll talk to my mom to get more facts.
 
Feliz Navidad a todos,
 
Alicia Carrillo

Joseph Puentes wrote:


for those of you looking in the Villanueva area

Tayagua, Zacatecas/How do you Celebrate?



for those of you looking in the Villanueva area. I was looking at film:
1158678 the
other day and found about 8 years worth of death records [1767-1775
about] for the hacienda de Tayagua on this mostly bautismos film. I've
seen that some are looking in Tayahua but am unsure if this is the same
place. Just FYI.



joseph



ps: Someone asked me how "we" celebrate christmas. And for the life of
me all I could think about was Tamales and later on New Years Menudo. A
meal and exchange of presents.



Does anyone know of how the people of Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes celebrated Christmas in earlier years?

Sain Alto

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, dora gomez  wrote:

 My parents are originally from Sain Alto, Zacatecas and my husband,
Alejandro Escobedo, from Magdalena, Jalisco.

Dora. . .Welcome to the group. Have a good look around the "files"
area for the genealogies of the other members. I might be wrong but I
was pretty sure someone else is looking in the Sain Alto area. 

Saw this interesting census from Magdalena. Were any of your people in
that area during this time period? If so this might be a good one to
order. . .then again maybe you already have it:

Title
Censo, 1856-1885

Authors
Magdalena (Jalisco). Registro Civil (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo del Registro Civil del Estado
de Jalisco.
Census records, municipality of Magdalena, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects
Mexico, Jalisco, Magdalena - Census

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1986

Physical
en 1 rollo

Hello Ranchos!

Hello Ranchos,
 
Thank you for letting me join this great group.  I'm sorry for contacting you at this time.  Joseph allowed me to be part of this group in the beginning of the month but I have been very busy with Final Exams all last week and then my husband and I took a well deserved vacation to the Great Smokey Mountains to see some snow.  Joseph we were up in North Carolina (Asheville to be exact).  Well enough about that, here is my information:
 
My name is Dora Gómez and I live in Florida.  My parents are originally from Sain Alto, Zacatecas and my husband, Alejandro Escobedo, from Magdalena, Jalisco. Currently working on my side of the family but any information from my husband's is welcome also.
 
My father:                     Jesus Gómez Alanis (Emiliano Zapata, Sain Alto, Zacatecas)
**Note Emiliano Zapata was formerly known as San Jose de los Trojes***
 
Paternal grandparents:   Eduardo Gómez Villa (1899-1967) and Jovita Alanis Gómez (1913-1993)
 
Eduardo's parents:    

Do you own Film 1164016 [Totatiche]?



Does anyone own this film? If you do would you mind doing a look up for
me?:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1726-1979

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora del Rosario (Totatiche, Jalisco)
(Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

Incluyen índices.

Parish
registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, marriage petitions,
deaths, and other church records from Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.

Include indexes.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco, Totatiche - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1980

Physical

en 47 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes

Note - Location [Film]

Bautismos 1779-1798 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 1164016 ]



thanks,



joseph



ps: Thanks Steven for that info you provided several months ago on
my Abuelo Juan Climaco Marquez. I'm finally getting to some of it.



JUAN CLIMACO MARQUEZ ESCOBEDO     

      Male            

          

Garibay's ?


I might be wrong but wasn't there someone looking for Garibay's

I found a letter about the Colotlan, Jalisco Milicia

on the http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp site that mentions a Don
Jose Garibay in the 1785 time period.


if you have interest in this contact me at makas@...

joseph



Ancestry of Steven F. Hernández

Dear Ranchos group:
 
Well, here it is!  In order to keep Joseph from going postal on us, and to wish everyone out there Happy Holidays, I have uploaded the first 9 generations of my family tree, into the files section of the Newsgroup.  I think that should be enough for now.  If there is a particular interest, focus, or question about any specific line, then I'll post them as the occasion arises.
 
Some may notice a nice healthy mix of different, and sometimes unique, surnames from places all over Los Altos de Jalisco (Arandas, Atotonilco el Alto, Ayo el Chico, Tepatitlán, San Miguel el Alto, Zapotlanejo, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalostotitlán, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, etc.), Aguascalientes, Nochistlán (Zac.), Guanajuato, and Michoacán.  That's why, for better or for worse, I've had to diversify my research to cover a wide area. 
 
I think it may be for the better, because that way I gain experience and knowledge researching in so many different places.  I am familiar with the

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Surname Heraldry


I am getting ready to order some heraldry pages from the University of 
Tennesse. Seems that they charge a flat rate for fotocopy services but 
that rate is if they copy one page or 500. So if you all have any pages 
you want copied give me your list of surnames [NOTE: Send them in Numeric
order like my list below; volume first page second], volumes and page numbers. 

Here is the webpage where you can gain access to a search engine and get 
that info from the Spanish Heraldry Dictionary:

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index%5Fgc.html
[long link that might need to be rebuilt]

Also look at the list of libraries that own the 88 volume set because 
maybe you'd rather just look up the copies for yourself if you have one 
of the libraries close to you.

here is the list of my requests. If you want to get any you'll have do 
your own look ups and give me a similarly formatted list:


                   volume    page

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Tough Love---the Slasher





Pacorro73@... wrote:

 
Anyhow,  María maybe we should coordinate our efforts when
researching in Zapotlanejo.  We'll get more done that way.

Exactly!!!! and yes I did start this group for more than just my own
genealogy. I sincerely think we as a group can accomplish more than as
individuals. All we need to do is keep an eye peeled for some of the
names of those researching our particular geographical areas in
Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, BUT



yes the big BUT,



but how do we do that if we don't do the minimum of at least sending in
our genealogies so others can view them and try to make connections.
Yes I know I'm harping on this thing again but I want it to be
perfectly clear that I want us to become a finely honed research
machine and for that to be accomplished the bare minimun needs to be
done. . .come on folks about 50% of you haven't sent in your
genealogies. I would very much hate to delete your memberships, but be
sure that March 1, 2004 I will be

Zapotlanejo, Jalisco, anyone?

Hi there,
 
Ooo, sounds like a lead.  But you know...I just barely broke through this dead-end, and don't have many details on their history.  Right now I basically know this:
 
1.    Ma. Celsa Alvarez, born April 1826, Zapotlanejo, md. 1844 to Antonio Hernández
 
Father
2.    Simón Alvarez, born 1803, Zapotlanejo, md. 1823 to Ma. Hermenegilda Regalado
 
Grandfather
3.    Pablo Alvarez, born ca 1768, Zapotlanejo, md. 1787 to María Anacleta (Cleta) Nuño
 
Great-grandfather
4.    Joseph María Alvarez, born 1725-1735, Zapotlanejo ???, md. ?? to María Alvarez
 
It is very possible that YOUR Nicolás Alvarez and my Alvarez people are descendants or members of the same Alvarez family based out of Zapotlanejo.  But to figure that out, we have to dig a little more.  And that's not going to be easy by the looks of it. 
 
I have already ordered many early Zapotlanejo baptism and marriage microfilms, and the informations seems to be spotty, terrible writing in some cases, and NONE of the

Zapotlanejo, Jalisco, anyone?

Hola Paco,

It just so happens that I do have an Alvarez line from Zapotlanejo.  
I haven't looked at any films from Zapotlanejo, but I have a 
marriage record from Ixtlahuacán del Río for my twice 4th great-
grandmother Gertrudis Alvarez that says she was born in Zapotlanejo 
and grew up in Tescatitán. Gertrudis was born about 1771 to parents 
Nicolás Alvarez and María de la Ó Vizcarra. Let me know if we have a 
link.

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> Hello Ranchos group;
> 
> For the past nine years, I had been researching a couple whose 
names first 
> appeared in various baptisms in Arandas, Jalisco, from 1846 to 
1862.  Arandas is 
> the town where my grandfather, 2 great-grandfathers, 4 great-grand-
fathers, 
> and so on, were born.  
> 
> The names were: Simón Alvarez and Ma. Hermenegilda Regalado, and 
their 
> daughter Celsa Alvarez (for more info, see page 103 of my book).  
For years and 
> years and years their names haunted me like late

Zapotlanejo, Jalisco, anyone?

Hello Ranchos group;
 
For the past nine years, I had been researching a couple whose names first appeared in various baptisms in Arandas, Jalisco, from 1846 to 1862.  Arandas is the town where my grandfather, 2 great-grandfathers, 4 great-grand-fathers, and so on, were born. 
 
The names were: Simón Alvarez and Ma. Hermenegilda Regalado, and their daughter Celsa Alvarez (for more info, see page 103 of my book).  For years and years and years their names haunted me like late-night heartburn or one of those N-sync songs you can't get out of your head, and wished you could. 
 
I scoured the Arandas parish records for them.  I searched from 1845 back to 1768, and there were no Alvarez/Regalado combinations.  Simón Alvarez and Ma. Hermenegilda Regalado were not married in Arandas, nor did they have any children in Arandas, nor in any other nearby towns, all of which I searched in, mind you.  And my searches of the IGI and the mormon computer database produced nothing, NOTHING...For