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Very interesting topic. I have never done a DNA Test either. Can we just
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The Family Finder+Y-DNA37 price is pretty steep even with the discount.

Thanks,
Victor

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Quisiera saber si alguien tiene datos de los primeros Orozco que llegaron a Jalisco, una leyenda familiar cuenta que llegaron dos hermanos Orozco a los altos de Jalisco provenientes del país vasco y que de ahí descienden todas las familias actuales, alguien tiene datos al respecto?
Una característica en mi rama familiar y que veo en otros Orozco es que hay varios pintores y/o artistas, hay varios Orozco famosos en el área de las artes plásticas como José Clemente Orozco o el artista conceptual contemporáneo Gabriel Orozco.
Hay algún Orozco en este grupo que comparta en su familia el "gen" artístico?
Saludos
Ricardo Espinosa Orozco

I'm having difficulty locating birth records for an ancestor who was born abt. 1902 in Atotonilco..I believe near Citala. Is anyone familiar with other churches that may have been used for this location other than Teocuitatlán de Corona?

BUSCO A LOS PADRES DE PETRA PINZON QUE NACE APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1815 EN SAIN ALTO
ZACATECAS Y SE CASA CON BRUNO HERNANDEZ.

This may be the wrong place to ask this and if so, I apologize. I have a problem and since I neither read nor write Spanish, I am in a quandry.

Rosita Maria Cordona was supposedly born ca Bet. 11 Oct 1909 - 1912 Spanish Honduras,(Bonnacca, Honduras). When she was about 9-10, supposedly her father (no name) died while working on Suez Canal, and she was sent to America with a Fermina Kirkconnell family to get an education. However, after finding the person I believe to be Rosita arriving Apr 4 1920 with that family on Ship: Emma Belliveau (ship sailed March 18 1920 from Bonacco, Honduras), through Cuba arriving in Tampa, FL and again July 11 1925 as Rorsita (last name illegible on original) I have no link of Rosita to the Kirkconnell family in US. Do find Rosita in 1930 maid, living 7709 Central Ave., Tampa, FL; in 1934 as cook 212 East Ross Avenue, Do, Tampa, FL; April 1935 living with the Eatons 80 Vandeventer Place, St Louis, St Louis City, Missouri; April 1940 as a cook living with the Eatons at 80 Vandeventer Place, St Louis, St Louis City, Missouri; married 26 Dec 1940 Hot Springs, Garland, Arkansas to R
oman Benedict Pike. By 1945, she, Benedict and daugher Ann are back in Temple Terrace, Tampa, Hillsborough Co., FL She died 21 Nov 2004 in Glynn Co., GA. and is buried St Anthony of Padua Cemetery, Palm Ave San Antonio, FL.

Rosita did have a son Albert Allen Cardona born 12 Dec 1928 in Tampa, FL. Her daughter has no other info on her than that, and would like to know the true story of Rosita's birth year, parents, etc.

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I have ran into many of Damasia Pena Guitron lineage...you may reach me Via email...acesan78@gmail.com.  

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Note que me piden una rese?a de mi inter?s en este servicio y menciono la investigaci?n que he hecho: se que hay muchas personas con mi apellido en la regi?n de los altos de Jalisco, pero en lo que yo he podido investigar, solo he encontrado esto:

No se si hay alg?n formato especializado para vaciar esta informaci?n. Si existe, les pido me la env?en.

Note que me piden una reseña de mi interés en este servicio y menciono la investigación que he hecho: se que hay muchas personas con mi apellido en la región de los altos de Jalisco, pero en lo que yo he podido investigar, solo he encontrado esto:

No se si hay algún formato especializado para vaciar esta información. Si existe, les pido me la envíen.

Mi bisabuelo se llamo: VICENTE NUNGARAY y aparentemente nació en Barcelona, España o fue traído muy pequeño por sus padres, de quienes ignoro los nombres, a Talpa de Allende, Jalisco. Falleció el 31 de Enero de 1926, en Guadalajara, Jal. Contrajo matrimonio en la parroquia de Talpa de Allende con DAMASA PEÑA GUITRON el día 3 de Agosto de 1874. De ella no tengo ningún otro dato.

Tuvieron varios hijos:

JOSE MANUEL NUNGARAY PEÑA, nacido el 28 de Mayo de 1875, en Talpa de Allende. No tengo ningún otro dato.

MANUEL FELIPE NUNGARAY PEÑA, mi abuelo, nacido en Talpa de Allende en 1877. Se caso en Guadalajara con AMELIA RODRIGUEZ HERNANDEZ, el 25 de Septiembre de 1906 y falleció en Guadalajara, el 30 de Julio de 1919. Tuvo por hijos a Manuel, Vicente, Guadalupe, Felipe ( mi padre) y Maria de los Angeles (fallecida recientemente).

MARIA NUNGARAY PEÑA, nacida en Talpa de Allende, el 29 de Enero de 1879. No tengo mas datos de ella.

Tengo muchos datos e información de los otros hijos de mi abuelo. Mi interés es conocer más datos e información sobre mis ancestros, de las dos lineas y les agradeceré toda su ayuda.

Muchas gracias

Enrique Nungaray LUTCF
Enviado desde mi iPad

It is one of my family names on my paternal grandmother's father's
side. I just typed the name into Google and up pops the meaning that
it pertains to thorns. It made me think of the crown on Jesus' brow
as He hung on the cross for us.

hola
alguien ha leido el testamento de francisco sotelo esposo de clara de jaen?
mencionan a los padres de francisco sotelo y los de clara jaen?

en la defuncion de francisco sotelo fallecio el 8 octubre 1669 en aguascalientes
mencionan a su esposa clara de jaen a quien deja viuda y dejo testamento y deja como
albacea a gdo anto sotelo.
clara de xaen fallecio el 3 de marzo 1683 en aguascalientes viuda de francisco sotelo.
francisco sotelo y clara de xaen padres de elena sotelo casada con ignacio ruiz de eesparza el 5 agosto 1651 en aguascalientes ignacio hijo de martin ruiz de esparza y de maria lopez lisaldi.
elena sotelo fallecio en 24 enero 1673 aguascalientes.

martin ruiz de esparza fallecio el 25 octubre 1674 aguascalientes.
maria lopez lisaldi fallecio el 4 marzo 1678 aguascalientes.

alguien sabe quienes son los padres de maria lopez lisaldi?

saludos

Francisco de Santiago and Ynes de Artiaga y Alvarado had three known children baptized at San Antonio de Padua, Tlajomulco de Zuniga, Jalisco:
-Miguel, bapt. 29 May 1633
-Baltasar, bapt 29 Jan 1640
-Juan, bapt. 18 Aug 1642

These baptisms are listed in the recently released images for Tlajomulco de Zuniga on Family Search.

No marriage record has been found for Francisco and Ynes.

Juan de Santiago, also known as Juan de Santiago y Escobar, moved to Aguaslcalientes, married three times (Antonia Ruis de Esparza, Getrudis de Esparza y Rangel, and Maria Getrudis de Nabarro [or de Naba]), and had many children, as well as very many descendants in Aguascalientes and Calvillo.

Proof that this Juan de Santiago y Escobar is the son of Francisco and Ynes comes from the document describing Antonia Ruis de Esparza's dowry which names his parents, Francisco and Ynes.

I have been unable to find any further trace of Miguel and Baltasar. I've searched for them with surnames Santiago and Escobar.

Does anyone have information on Miguel or Baltasar, and perhaps descendants? Is there any information on Francisco and Ynes?

George Fulton
Pleasanton

Does anyone have any more info on the genealogy of these people?
Any info would be appreciated. I would also like to thank this group for all the help
and support we all have for each other.

Juan Lopez de Elizalde (ca. 1560)
Juan Becerra y Hurtado de Mendoza
Anna Sanchez de Mendoza
Martin Navarro de Gabay
Maria Diez de Enguino
Diego ARias de Sotelo (was he a conqistador or his father?)

I found this link that has detailed information on La Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://lasviboras.com/cronica.html

To the group

I have been unable to find records with Family Search. I put in names and
all I was getting was 'no record'. I realized it was impossible to have
so many 'no record'. I put the name of a person I knew was in the records
and again got a 'no record'.

I called Family Search and after quite a long time the problem was
resolved.

Joseph thinks I should share this.

I was working with Mexican records. I typed mexico. There was a
drop...featuring countries....it had Mexico with a capital M.. It is now case
sensitive! And, to think I have spent hours looking for records and unable to
find!!!

Mickey

Hello everyone, I need help by locating the records on Mixtlan, Jalisco before 1898. In familysearch Mixtlan's rcords begin on that year. My question is: does anyone know where the pervous records are? Where to look at? The closest towns that I can figure out are Atengo, Atenguillo, Talpa de Allende, Mascota or Ameca.To which parrish Mixtlan reported before 1898? I am having a har time locating an ancestor that may be in Mixtlan abt. 1875 Any help prived would be very apreciated. Thanks in advance.

Hola soy nuevo aqui los saludo a todos respetuosamente y me permito solicitar de su ayuda para establecer correctamente los datos de mis ancestros que se ubicaban en las poblaciones de Guachinango,Ameca y Talpa de Allende Jalisco.
Bisabuelo Eudoro Curiel originario de guachinango Jalisco por 1861 aproximadamente y fallecido probablemente en Ameca Jalisco entre 1916 y 1930.
Bisabuela Antonia Macedo Corona originaria probablemente de Talpa de Allende Jalisco por 1871 aproximadamente y fallecida el 16 marzo 1907 en Ameca Jalisco.
Abuelo George E McCormick originario de Pittsburgh P.A. en 26 marzo 1872 hijo de Louis y Sarah McCormick fallecido en Ameca Jalisco 30 Julio 1930.
muchas gracias por su apoyo.

I have hit a brick wall and have found the baptism record for a relative that could help. This is the link for the family search site:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18569-74510-36?cc=1874591&wc…

I am interested in the names of the abuelos paternos for Hilario Munoz. I believe it is Jose Maria Munoz and Luiza ?

Thank you for your help.

I've found several similar but not the same names that my Family Tree Maker program has condensed to read as one person. Is anyone else finding this problem with their files. I have found two such records in Jerez, Zac and it's troubling since I found them by accident and have to wonder how many others are now incorrect.
Linda in B.C.

Hola compañeros del foro, hoy encontré un dato que podría ayudarme a avanzar mucho en una de mis ramas genealógicas, pues encontré que Teresa Enríquez del Castillo era familiar de un ancestro mío, el problema es que no se quienes sean los padres de Teresa, casada con Francisco Pérez Temblador.
Ellos fueron padres de Ignacio Antonio Tembaldor, Notario Público de Jalostotitlán y su partido en 1728 aproximadamente. Eran vecinos de Guadalajara, pero llegaron a San Juan de los Lagos cerca de 1710.
Si alguien me puede ayudar con ello, se lo agradeceré mucho.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Compañeros, no he podido avanzar con una pareja que se encontraba viviendo en Nochistlán, Zacatecas durante los 1700s. Se trata de Francisco Morales de Sigala y Antonia de Santillán. Hasta donde yo he encontrado, tuvieron los siguientes dos hijos: 1. José Morales de Sigala (o simplemente Sigala), quien casa con María Teresa Ramírez el 14 de Febrero de 1751 en Nochistlán y según acta de matrimonio dice que es originario de Jalpa, Zacatecas. 2. Salvadora, quien contrajo matrimonio con Francisco Muños en Nochistlán el 14 de Octubre de 1742.
¿Algunos de ustedes no tiene datos de esta pareja? También me interesa saber dónde puedo encontrar los libros parroquiales de Jalpa, Zacatecas que corresponden a los siglos XVII y XVIII.

I'm new to nuestrosranchos and am still learning. I've been working on my family genealogy for a long time, and have finally been able to find documentation through familysearch.org (lots of baptism records!)

My 3rd Great Grandmother was named Eduvige Casillas Verdin (1798), her mother was Maria Jesus Verdin Romo, or Ana Jesus Berdin (unknown birth date), depending on the documents I've found. Her grandfather was Pascual Verdin Villavicencio Moya (1717 or 1735, I have found both of these dates for him)

Pascual's parents seem to be Juan Bautista Verdin y Codar and Maria de Josefa Villavicencio Moya y Monroy, but this is based only on other's family tree and not on and documentation.

I would appreciate any suggestions on finding a good connection between Eduvige and Juan Bautista and Maria de Josefa. I feel as if I"m missing a generation somewhere between them.

Thank you,
Joan Ochoa Sullivan

i read this marriage document and it says the couple came from a place called chero kee. what i find weird about this, is that i thought that the cherokee people were only in the USA.

here's the link to the marriage record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-68087-31?cc=1874591&wc…

  Elvira, Have you tried going to the Family Search Catalog?  click on 'keywords' then put what you are looking for in the box.  [Tamez or Tames]

   By the way, the ''contact us'' or whatever it is, brings you an email from the support people who know how the site works.....Good luck!  Marie
 

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Hello, Everyone!

hola
alguien me puede ayudar?
por una de mis lineas de mi arbol
el ultimo romo que tengo registrado es
a diego romo de vivar con juana maria ruiz de esparza en mi arbol
no eh podido encontrar su matrimonio ,el hijo mas antiguo
que encontre data del año 1720 en aguascalientes supongo que
diego y juana maria se casaron antes de 1720 en aguascalientes.

encontre un matrimonio que es el siguientes:
diago de chaves con juana ruiz de esparza casado en 1716 en aguascalientes
el es hijo legitimo de nicolas de chaves y antonia de villalobos
no eh encontrado registros si exitio un diego de cahves con juana ruiz de esparza
ni bautismos ni defuncion e hijos .

supogamos si cambiamos el apellido chaves por el de romo encontro un matrimonio de:
nicolas romo de vivar con maria lopez de la cruz villalobos casaron en 1684 en aguascalientes padres supuesto de diego romo de vivar casado con juana maria ruiz esparza.

la pregunta sera las mismas personas ?
comparacion:

diego romo de vivar con diego de chaves con
juana maria ruiz esparza juana maria ruiz esparza
matrimonio antes de 1720 matrimonio en 1716 aguascalientes
aguascalientes

para mi criterio diria que son las mismas personas
pero necesitos opiniones
se los agradezco mucho
saludos
que tenga un bonito dia
bye