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Hello,
I'm looking for any information about PEDRO DE CHIRRIAGA (ECHERREAGA?) married to LUISA DE ORTIZ (sometimes she used Gonzales, Anda). The couple had at least one daughter Maria Luisa de Chirriaga who got married in Aguascalientes,in 1662 with Pedro del Muro Salas. I would assumed the couple had more children.
The couple was in the census of Aguascalientes in 1648, Pedro died in 1671, Luisa died in 1687
I know that there was an Echerreaga family in Zacatecas, Zac (presbitero Nicolas Echerrega), but I don't know if they were part of the same family.
Any information I would appreciated
Saludos

Sus Leniski

Hello forum.

There is a very interesting document, a suit filed by Nicolas Ruiz against his father Br. Jose Ruiz in 1672.

This is a very long document plenty of dozens of declarations of witnesses, some of them closely related to Jose and Nicolas Ruiz.

1.- Jose Corona de Anaya and Jose Ruiz are first cousins (see image 362/795).

Many of the witnesses give Jose ruiz's mother's name: Isabel Lopez de Fuenllana.

The names of Jose Corona de Anaya's parents are given in this document, they are Garcia Alvarez Corona and Juana Lupiana.

This is my guess, the mothers of the two of them are sisters, the daughters of Alonso de Lupiana and Catalina Lopez de Fuenllana. This couple is mentioned in this other thread, Catalina is one of the sisters of Diego de Fuenllana and Beatriz Lopez de Fuenllana.

2.- Gregorio de Bejar, resident of Tinguindin, 47 years, 6 months and 18 days old, says his father and Jose Ruiz are 2nd. cousins (see image 296/795).

This Gregorio de Bejar is the grandson of Gregorio de Bejar and Juana de Sandoval. According to Guillermo Padilla Origel "Arbol genealogico de los Bejar de Tinguindin", Juana de Sandoval is the daughter of Gonzalo de Sandoval and Isabel Perez.

The said relationship is true if Juana de Sandoval (Gregorio de Bejar's grandmother) and Isabel Lopez de Fuenllana (Jose Ruiz´s mother) are first cousins.

The names of the parents of Juana de Sandoval are Gonzalo de Sandoval and Isabel Perez according to Guillermo Padilla Origel.

Gonzalo de Sandoval died before 1585 and Isabel Perez was the owner of some houses in Zamora (see Gregorio Torres Quintero / Genaro Hernandez Corona "Tesis Pedagogicas", p. 158).

One more of the sisters of Diego de Fuenllana and Catalina Lopez de Fuenllana (proposed Isabel Lopez de Fuenllana's mother) is "Isabel del Castillo mujer de (Jeronimo) Orozco".

To view documents in the aguascalientes archive. You probably have to download the "microsoft silverlight" app which is a blue icon that appears when you click on a file to look at and the computer is taking awhile to try to open the file. It asks you if you want to download microsoft silver light. And it works in Internet Explorer.

http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

username: sigue.publica
password: publica

I have recently bought and checked out several great books for my research on my paternal side. But, the latest book I bought has me questioning the help and information I have taken from previous books and online searches.
I am researching the couple Manuel Gomez and Catalina de Mendoza in los altos de Jalisco (Jalostotitlan). I have them as the parents of Juana Gomez de Mendoza, who was married to Domingo Lomelin. Anyway, I originally had Catalina's father and mother as Rodrigo Olivares and Maria Hurtado de Mendoza. Quite a few books seem to point in that direction. However, if I am reading it correctly, this newer book seems to say that Catalina's parents were actually Cristobal Olivares and Mariana (Maria) de Mendoza. AND that the Maria de Mendoza that was married to Rodrigo de Olivares was actually A SISTER of the Catalina de Mendoza.
If I am reading it correctly, the author of this second edition mentions that he too also believed that Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de Mendoza were the parents of Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza (who is another SISTER of Catalina), married to Francisco Gutierrez Rubio,
so that would have made them Catalina's parents too. BUT after being presented with a testimony located in San Luis Potosi, he now believes that Francisca's (and therefore Catalina's parents) are Cristobal Olivares and Mariana (Maria) de Mendoza.
Has anyone else come across this issue?
Sandra

I am new to this group and grateful to you for being here. Has anyone done studies of the history of specific ranchos? As part of my research into my grandfather's family (surname Angel, from Jesus Maria), I wonder if anything has been written about the families who lived on the ranchos of El Capulin de Chavez, Las Cruces, El Pandillo, and/or La Mesita de Ornelas? Who owned the ranchos, what did they produce, and who worked there?

Soy nueva en este grupo y estoy agradecida a ustedes por su colaboracion. Alguien ha hecho estudios de la historia de ranchos especificos? Como parte de mi investigacion sobre mi abuelo (apellido Angel, de Jesus Maria), quisiera saber si haya algo escrito sobre las familias que vivian en los ranchos de El Capulin de Chavez, Las Cruces, El Pandillo y/o La Mesita de Ornelas? Quienes eran los duenos, que produjeron, y quienes trabajan alli?

Dear all,

I am relatively new to Nueva Galicia genealogy and glad to be joining this community. Hopefully some of you may have not only similar questions but answers.

Across all the different DNA testing platforms, there is a recurring segment of some 25 cM that unites me and all my tested relatives on my paternal grandfather's side with a whole swathe of distantly related people who all descend from New Mexico's founding families. They and their trees have names like Lujan, Archuleta, Montoya, Baca, etc., which were so intertwined by endogamous marriages during the colonial period, that lines are difficult to untangle. This endogamy (combined with the one in our own ranchos) makes any predictions of degrees of cousinship based on shared DNA very problematic, which in turn means that the common ancestor with these New Mexico cousins could be any number of generations ago.

I descend from the Ruiz de Velascos of Ayo el Chico, so I can account for my ancestry in the Altos/Cienega region many generations back across multiple lines, which only makes this more of a mystery. Was there some renegade GG-uncle who fled to settle in the frontier? Y-DNA results compared with the New Mexico FTDNA projects suggest that the link is not through the direct paternal line. Someone from the New Mexico project who had worked on Jalisco connections looked at my results and tree and was also at a loss.

There are only two surnames in my tree that seem to overlap with the New Mexico entangled trees: Herrera and Moya. But the Herrera and Moya founders who settled New Mexico arrived in the mid 17th century. I cannot account for my ancestors in that two surname lines that far (yet). And the New Mexico genealogies (which are very developed) don't really trace these founders far before their arrival to the territory.

Does anyone have a possible explanation or suggestion? Or share these surnames and have New Mexico matches? Or not?

Thank you,
Guillermo

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https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/rtc2021

Begins on pg 418:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-W926?i=417&cat=23…

1648 Census of Rancho Carboneras and Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico, pg 427:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-W9ND?i=426&cat=23…

Buenos días,

Dejo lo siguiente para los interesados en la familia Machicao o Bachicao, antepasados por línea cognaticia de Lorenzo de Padilla-Dávila y Machicao.

En el archivo de la Real Chancillería de Valladolid (Registro de Ejecutorias. Caja 0026.0036) encontré lo siguiente:

Fernando de Machicabo pleiteó su hidalguía el 4 de Febrero de 1489, el pleito finalizó el 12 de diciembre del mismo año y obtuvo confirmación de su nobleza y privilegios el 5 de Mayo de 1495.

En 1489 Fernando de Machicabo o Machicao era vecino de la villa palentina de Boada de Campos habiendo sido natural de la de Revilla. Como caballero acudió a los llamados de los cercos de Toro y Zamora (1 de Marzo de 1476 - Batalla de Toro).

Dice que sus padres fueron Ruy Sánchez Machicabo, natural de la villa alavesa de Bachicabo y vecino de la palentina de Revilla de Campos. Contrajo nupcias con María Sánchez y obtuvo confirmación de su nobleza en Palencia.

Su abuelo fue Juan Ruiz, natural de Bachicabo el cual asistió a la guerra de Almazán en la que fue preso Fadrique Enríquez de Castilla, Duque de Arjona (1388-1420).

No puedo confirmar al momento de forma documental que este Fernando de Machicao que obtuvo ejecutoria de su hidalguía, sea el mismo que pasó a Canarias donde contrajo nupcias con Constanza de Hervás y Mirabal, hija de Pedro de Hervás y nieta del genovés Diego de Ervás pero habiendo casado Hernando de Padilla-Dávila y Pérez de Gallegos (Gallegos de Vera) con Leonor de Machicao y Rivas en 1515 es posible que sean la misma persona, aunque al momento sea solo por coincidencia de nombre, apellido y fecha.

Un saludo,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

I have a 1648 Census of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico which is 20 leguas from Fresnillo, Zacatecas.

As well as a census of Rancho Carboneras, which is 5 leguas from Fresnillo. Zacatecas, Mexico.

Attached is the census. Can someone help me on my ancestors "Joan Angon" who is listed first on the list of the Valparaiso Census in regards to why is he listed as first on the list and did he own a ranch right there?

His son Esteban Angon is listed first on the Rancho Carboneras ranch that is 15 leguas away from Valparaiso.

Ok...so here in familysearch file of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico is a 1632 - 1700 Cofradia archive. I already read it and it is like a diary of Joan Angon's ranch starting in 1632 where there is a Cofradia called, "La Purisma de La Limpia Concepcion." Midway through the archive is then shows Esteban Angon owning a Estancia "Rio Chico." Today Rico Chico is at the spot where Rancho Carboneras would had been in 1648.

My question is about Joan Angon? Did he own a rancho at Valparaiso or did he "own" Valparaiso in 1648? Today at the plaza of Valparaiso there is a church called "La Purisma De La Concepcion." I wonder if that was the Cofradia that was a Joan Angon's rancho as mentioned in the 1632 - 1700 archive? Can someone help me about ownership in 1648 at Valparaiso?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FSS1-7G?wc=3JHM-C66%3A…

Note: One Legua = one hours walk by foot. By car today that would be 8 - 10 minutes.

Hola buenas tardes

E estado averiguando el origen de los de Luna en los altos de Jalisco , de los cuales es Sebastián de Luna casado con Josefa Lozano , de la cual desciende la los de luna que vivieron en la meseta de los altos de jalisco por lo que e revisado esta pareja vivió en Jalpa hoy perteneciente al estado de Zacatecas, Y por lo que también e podido revisar este puede ser hijo de Luis De Luna y Josefa Ortiz de Esquivel, conocida como Ortiz de Haro o López también hija de Hernando (Fernando de Haro o Miramontes ) esta pareja casados el 18 de abril de 1649 en Tlaltenango de Sanchez Román en el estado de Zacatecas, otra pareja hijos de Francisco De Luna y Maria Tapia , hermano del citado Luis de Luna llamado Bartolomé De Luna Tapia caso con Lorenza Miramontes Haro hermana de la citada Josefa en el año 1658 en Tlaltenango de Sanchez Román en el estado de Zacatecas menciona que tienen un cuarto grado de consanguinidad y hay una dispensa matrimonial para poderse casar si alguien la tiene o sabe donde la puedo conseguí lo agradeceré mucho para poder avanzar un poco mas en esta linea de mis ancestros

saludos

Hello everyone. My name is Kimberly, I live in Colorado and I was born in America. I'm happy to be a part of this group. I enjoy history, so researching will be fun.

The family I am researching is Cesario Jimenez family line he’s my great grandfather on paternal side. He is from Torreón, Coahuila, Mexico. He was born 27 Aug 1903 to Estanislao Jimenez and Ignacia Martinez born 31 Jul 1875 in Mexico. His grandfather was Jose Dolores Jimenez born about about1844 in Pinos Zacatecas, Mexico City and Tomasa Rodriguez about 1847 in Mexico. He had siblings, but the one i’m most familiar with is his sister named Simona Jimenez (Serna) she married Marcelino Serna. I have only been able to trace back as far as their great grandparents.

Maria Anguiano Najera my grandmother and was married to Cesario Jimenez. She was born 1903 in Mexico and passed away 10 Jun 1952 in La Junta, Colorado. Her parents were Marcial Ysavel Gardea Najera born 30 Jun 1873 in San Isidro de las Cueves, Chihuahua, Mexico, and Praxedis Magallanes Anguiano 22 Jul 1882 in Concepcion del Oro, Zacatecas, Mexico.

I am also researching Domingo Casillas (Casias) and Juana Ana de la Rosa family line. This is my 10th great grandparents. Domingo was born in Tonalá, Jalisco, Mexico, and Juana was born in Tonala, Chiapas, Jalisco, Mexico. According to records I’ve found they were Indians. All their kids baptism records say the same for their race. They were all born in Jalisco also. I don’t have an exact birth date for Domingo but it’s around 1690 and Juana about 1695.

I have managed to trace back the least in the Jimenez line. I am interested in researching the following surnames in the Coahuila, Zacatecas and Jalisco.

- Jimenez
- Casillas (Casias)
- Najera

Hello,

After a few months of trying and retrying to push past this brick wall I was hoping that maybe any one of you may have some insight on Santos Leon and Ma. Nepomucena Garcia. I figured that with their unique names finding them should not be an issue, but I have been having trouble.

Here is what I know:

I have identified two children-

Maria Leon b. appx. 1835 and d. on 10 Jul 1920, in Jesus Maria, Jalisco. She was the widow of a Torres.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GP2D-91ZD?cc=1918187&wc=MG…

Maria Gumercinda Leon b. appx. 1851, m. appx. 1872 to Jose Ma. de Jesus Lozano.

Gumercinda and Jose Ma. have a son Miguel c. 27 Sep. 1869 in Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato.
The rest of their children are in Jesus Maria and then later in Arandas. Santos Leon and Nepomucena Garcia are listed as the grandparents on all the baptismal records.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GB3F-W1?cc=1874591&wc=3JXM… (Miguel Lozano's baptism)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GBSS-C1?cc=1874591&wc=3J61… (Jose Lozano's baptism)

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60400/004841123_00376/5931764?back… (Virginia Lozano's baptism)

Thanks in advance!

Any tips?

Hello,
I'm looking for people that lived in Monte grande around 1662-1689 (Spaniards). I looked for them in records from Pinos (defunciones- Church San Matias) and I couldn't find anyone from Monte Grande (at least Spaniards in the early records).
Any ideas what location they could be at?
Any info would be greatly appreciated

thanks
Susana

Which body of records for Jalisco, Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes would one search for wills?

Joseph

Hi everyone,

I am looking for a padron from the 1700's for this area which the Hacienda was in San Felipe, Guanajuato but in the census records book this city is not on there. Should I be looking in Leon or Guanajuato?

Thank you,
Esther

Hello everyone, my name is Robert (Bobby) Lopez and I am currently researching the paternal side of my family on this website starting from my grand father and his father. The bulk of my research is on Ancestry and research so far has indicated that my grand father, (Jose) Antonio Lopez was born in San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico and his father, Santos Lopez was born in the same town. My research has reached a dead end which is why I came to this site. I hope my research here is successful. My research began some eleven years ago after I retired and had more time for this endeavor. I live in Southern California where I was born and raised as were my parents. I hope to hear from anyone who has any and all info on those from Zacatecas.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Lopezinc245

Hello,
I'm looking for any information regarding Luis Molina and Beatriz Ximenez Delgado. The couple had children in Tlaltenango. Luis Molina died in 1644 in the same location. I have lots of information about the children. I believe that Beatriz Ximenez is some how also "Bobadilla". On the other hand I don't know anything about Luis Molina.
Any info would be greatly appreciated

saludos!

sus leniski

Me es muy grato el poder saludar de nuevo a Nuestros Ranchos, aquellos que colaboran con esta página y a todos los participantes en este foro. Todos tenemos centrado nuestro interés en la búsqueda de los orígenes de nuestra familia así como de la búsqueda de nuestros antepasados, pero al margen de todo, me encanta ver que tenemos la posibilidad de compartir y apoyarnos mutuamente.

Hace casi 10 años, me recordarán como aquella persona que se prestó para hacerles llegar por paquetería la colección de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia de Don Mariano González-Leal, espero haya quedado bien con todos aquellos que pidieron de mi apoyo en esos momentos en que estuvieron disponibles todos los tomos. Lamentablemente he acudido al archivo estatal en varias ocasiones y no dan esperanzas de que se vuelva a editar esta excelente colección, porque como recordarán Don Mariano cedió los derechos al gobierno estatal en la administración de Emilio González Márquez y desde entonces no ha habido reedición alguna.

Mientras, como mencioné anteriormente, el apoyo de todos nosotros es importantísimo en la búsqueda de nuestros orígenes y de nuestras familias.

Envío un abrazo fraternal a todos los "parientes" de este grupo.

Prof. Raúl Hurtado Pérez

Hola prim@s,
Ready for some more primary source? This is the proceso contra Padre Alonso Lopez de Espinar beneficiado de Lagos por solicitante, and against his “enemigo capital,” Padre Tomas Ruiz, another priest in Lagos, por amancebado con dos mugeres casadas. This is from Feb 1592, so the list of witnesses is basically a who’s who of early Lagos.
Like a lot of you, everything I know about these people, I learned from Holcombe and Gonzalez-Leal, and from the available records that still exist. This proceso reveals some new people (for me, at least): Gabriel Sanchez and Cristobal Sanchez, sons of Toribio Hernandez cc Ysabel de Mendoza; Gabriel Sanchez was married to Ysabel Sanchez de Lara, hija de Juan Sanchez ya difunto cc Elvira Gil de Lara. It also connects some of the descendants of Luis Lopez cc Mencia Lopez (question: is she the same who married Francisco Lopez Muñiz, parents of Ynes Lopez cc Juan Lopez de Nava?)
These are my notes, basically an index of the witnesses. Most of them are giving testimony about the defendants. Enjoy!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

PROCESO CONTRA PADRE ALONSO LOPEZ DE ESPINAR BENEFICIADO DE LAGOS

Happy early New Year! primos from Jalisco Posting this in case members have clues on some deadends in my Jalisco genealogy. This is my dad's side of the house. He passed away this past summer but I had his DNA completed. Y DNA: IP37 and surname: Gutierrez.

The earliest documented ancestor I found on his dad's paternal side is Victor Gutierrez (1810-?) married to Vicenta Vasquez (1820-?) both from Comanjo Jalisco. Their child, Modesto Gutierrez (1845-1897) was then born in Cieneguilla, Aguascalientes and eventually married Zenona Gutierrez (1850-?) from San Marcos Guerrero I believe). Their child was Juan Gutierrez (1876-1930) who later married Maria Cipriana Tabarez (1880-1930) both from Aguascalientes and their son was my dad's paternal GF, Felipe Gutierrez (1899-1965), also born in Aguascalientes.

What is interesting is that my dad's Y DNA is not common in the surname Gutierrez. I could not test his brothers' DNA or any other male relatives as they had all passed away but I tested his sister (my aunt) and they are brother and sister so they had the same parents. Common surnames with this Y DNA is Flores or Valdez de Flores. It is not impossible to have other names but some thoughts could be a relative changed their name. I realize this is a big mystery so I am putting it out there in case any of this sounds remotely familiar.

On a side note, Zenona Gutierrez' family all originate from Jalisco. Although not related to the YDNA side, if anyone has any relatives you can share - her parents were Josef V Gutierrez and Urbana Diaz (circa 1800). It appears Josef's parents were Vizente Gutierrez (1766) and Maria Josefa Aguilera (1778).

Thanks for any help!

Hola todos:

En esta ocasión quiero aprovechar la oportunidad de preguntarles ¿Cuántos de ustedes han logrado enlazar sus linajes con la nobleza española?
Hasta el momento en lo que corresponde a mi ascendencia de Jalisco, he encontrado dos conexiones. Todas parten de la ascendencia de Rosa Manuela Gómez García, ella estaba casada con Francisco Simón Mora de la Rosa. Los padres de Rosa Manuela fueron Don Pedro Gómez García y Contreras y Doña Ana Luisa Flores de Aréchiga y Fregoso.
Es precisamente que por el lado de Pedro Gómez García, desciende de Juan Bernal de Zúñiga y de Luisa de Avellaneda,por ese lado entroncan con la familia de Miguel de Cervantes y otras casas nobles de Castilla.
Por el lado de su mamá, Ana Luisa Flores de Aréchiga, desciende de Luis de Pantoja y Mendoza, casado con María de la Peña. Luis era hijo del Señor de Mocejón, Martín de Pantoja y Portocarrero y de Inés de Toledo y Mendoza, por la rama de Inés descienden del primer duque de Alba.

Por otros lados de mi árbol también conecto con ramas nobles pero esas ya corresponden al norte de México. El motivo de mi pregunta es saber si a lo mejor alguno de ustedes tenga este vínculo de alguna otra rama con la nobleza que muchos podamos compartir y que no sepamos para así gracias a que estas ramas están mucho mejor documentadas, llevar nuestro árbol genealógico muchos siglos más atrás.

Me es muy grato el poder saludar de nuevo a Nuestros Ranchos, aquellos que colaboran con esta página y a todos los participantes en este foro. Todos tenemos centrado nuestro interés en la búsqueda de los orígenes de nuestra familia así como de la búsqueda de nuestros antepasados, pero al margen de todo, me encanta ver que tenemos la posibilidad de compartir y apoyarnos mutuamente.

Hace casi 10 años, me recordarán como aquella persona que se prestó para hacerles llegar por paquetería la colección de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia de Don Mariano González-Leal, espero haya quedado bien con todos aquellos que pidieron de mi apoyo en esos momentos en que estuvieron disponibles todos los tomos. Lamentablemente he acudido al archivo estatal en varias ocasiones y no dan esperanzas de que se vuelva a editar esta excelente colección, porque como recordarán Don Mariano cedió los derechos al gobierno estatal en la administración de Emilio González Márquez y desde entonces no ha habido reedición alguna.

Mientras, como mencioné anteriormente, el apoyo de todos nosotros es importantísimo en la búsqueda de nuestros orígenes y de nuestras familias.

Envío un abrazo fraternal a todos los "parientes" de este grupo.

Prof. Raúl Hurtado Pérez

Hernandez, Carlos (San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, Arandas, JAL)

Some of Carlos Hernandez’s ancestry can be found here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24211

Rick A. Ricci

Buenos dias a todos
Estoy buscando mis antepasados paternos de Zacatecas y estoy bloqueado en la séptima generación y me gustaría entrar en contacto quien pueda ayudarme a continuar mis búsquedas.

Mi abuelo paterno era Rosalío Minchaca Zamora, nacido en 1875 en el estado de Zacatecas y fallecido el 16 de Mayo de 1954 en Durango Dgo. Casado el 11 de septiembre de 1900 con Cenobia Longoria Castañón, nacida en 1883 en el estado de Zacatecas y fallecida el 17 de Abril de 1978 en Durango Dgo.

Rosalío era hijo de Manuel Minchaca Berdeja, nacido en 1839 en Sombrerete Zac. y fallecido el 13 de Abril de 1888 en Chalchihuites, Zac. Casado el 5 de Octubre de 1867 en Sain Alto, Zac. con Basilia Zamora Hernández, nacida en 1839 en el estado de Zacatecas y fallecida el 28 de Junio de 1905 en Sombrerete, Zac.

Manuel era hijo de Rosalío Minchaca Albares, nacido en 1805 en el Rancho de Mesillas, Sombrerete, Zacatecas y fallecido el 13 de Abril de 1888. Casado el 11 de Diciembre de 1825 en Sombrerete, Zac. con María Magdalena Berdeja Maciel, nacida el 21 de Julio de 1807 en Villa de Cos, Zac.

Según el registro de bautizo de María Magdalena, sus padres fueron Joseph Ygnacio Sabaas Berdeja Tobon nacido el 5 de Diciembre de 1772 y Guadalupe Rafaela Maciel Carrillo nacida en 1780 y fallecida en 1809. Sus abuelos maternos son Felipe Maciel e Ignacia Carrillo, según el mismo registro bautismal.

Aquí empieza un problema de generaciones porque según los datos encontrados en MyHeritage, Geneanet e inclusive en FamilySearch, los abuelos maternos de María Guadalupe serian José Felipe Maciel Villela nacido el 28 de Abril de 1793 y María Ignacia Carrillo Ayala, nacida en 1794. Esto no es posible porque los abuelos de María Guadalupe serian más jóvenes que los padres de María Guadalupe.