My father who is 76 yrs old (GGparents from Chihuahua) and my uncle is is 93 yrs old (GGparents from Sonora) and my father in Law 70 yrs old (Teocaltiche, Jalisco) have agreed to do DNA testing. Can anyone recommend a DNA service provider that they have used in the past. Looking for something priced reasonable with the most information returned. Thanks for your assistance.
My great grandmother was Loreto Bais. Born in Mexico somewhere around 1868, she eventually settled down with a Tereso Sifuentes (born around 1865) somewhere in Zacatecas. It is said that they were both married with children, before somehow becoming single and finding each other. I don't know when they got together. I do know that they had several children, at least 6. I can only find some of their children's baptism certicates, showing births in northern Mexico, mostly in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon between 1899 and 1915.
I've seen a photo of Loreto Bais, she was obviously an indigenous woman. Oral history says she was Yaqui, but those who say so really don't know for sure. I did find out through a border crossing record that she was born in a town named Agostadero. The death certificate says she was born in 1868 to Andres Bais and Antonia de Lira. I'm unsure of the exact spelling of the name Bais.
Does anyone have any kind of information that could help me find where Loreto is from, or anything about her lineage? Or anything related to indigenous peoples with the last name Bais?
Thank you,
Roberto
Not sure if this has been posted yet...but it has helped me a great deal. Enjoy!!
http://www.agn.gob.mx/guiageneral/
Amalia Hernandez-Arias
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/08/lingotek-enables…
I just read this from the Eastmans Genealogy Newsletter. I hope this is helpful for those of us that struggle with spanish.
Marylouise Fraijo Ambriz
Here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19799
If link doesn't work, go to "Files" tab; Reference material, under "mtDNA Haplogroup Database - NR Members - UPDATED FILE"
I think there is a lot of confusion here about DNA, how it's tested, and how to interpret our results. I hope that the below will clear up some confusions...
There are four (4) types of DNA in humans that are used for molecular genealogy:
1) Autosomal DNA - inherited from both MOTHER & FATHER (we inherit 50% from mom/50% from dad)
2) X-chromosome DNA - determines gender; whether we are female (XX) or male (XY), females pass on their X chromosome to ALL children, fathers pass on their X
chromosome to their DAUGHTERS only and their Y chromosomes to their SONS only. X-chromosome DNA changes rapidly from generation-to-generation, and so it is not very useful for deep ancestry research
3) Y-chromosome DNA - only men have this and because men only have 1 Y-chromosome, it passes unchanged from FATHER-to-SON over many generations going back deep into one's ancestry on DIRECT male line
4) Mitochondrial DNA - both men and women have this, but only a MOTHER can pass it on to her SONS and DAUGHTERS; it passes from generation-to-generation unchanged for thousands of years (deep-deep ancestry on DIRECT female line)
A man can be haplotype R1b (European), but still be 30% native-American, African, Asian, whatever. In this case, we only tested his Y-chromosome and results prove that his direct PATERNAL line has European origins. Now, if he tests his Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), he can also have a European result, but at the same time be 30% Native-American, African, Asian...whatever. We only tested his MATERNAL line
In order to get one's complete ethnic origin breakdown, one needs to get an AUTOSOMAL DNA analysis. This test takes a different strand of human DNA (NOT related to yDNA or mtDNA), that is passed on randomly from BOTH mother and father to each child. We get 50% from mother and 50% from father. Our mother got 50% from her mother and 50% from her father...and our father got 50% from his father & 50% from his mother...etc, etc...all the way up our family tree. It is a complete genetic record.
Civil records for these two states have just been posted on Family Search.
George
Estimado compañeros,
Para ustedes que tienen interés sobre la genealogía e historia de Aguascalientes, el libro Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes, siglo XVII, ha sido editado y el precio ha bajado a USD 35.00. El enfoque en el siglo XVII de Aguascalientes, sus registros parroquiales y apéndices que he compilado. Libro que debe existir en cualquier biblioteca de cualquier investigador serio. Sigue el enlace,
Me digan si hay una problema por envío
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/archivos-parroquiales-de-aguascal…
New records posted today:
Queretaro, Veracruz, and Oaxaca.
Many thanks to the responses from George, Patty, & Alicia.
Unfortunately your advice doesn't work because my grandmother's
married name (I think) was Blanche, but maybe Blanco. In
a death certificate for a daughter, she used Marquez, and
in another document she used Duval as surnames. I have searched
all these names. She told my father he was born in Ca. but he
couldn't find his BC in Sacramento. There are absolutely no records
available, be they baptismal, marriage, or ? I truly believe my
grandmother deliberately did not want to be found. So, my hope is
someone can help identify and tie her to the Guerrero family in the
photograph. From that one clue, Jesus Sanchez Guerrero and the
1930 Mexico census I have learned that this family has a very
important background in Guadalajara history. I think my grandmother
had something to hide from them, but left me with this mystery as
to who I really am. As I mentioned before, maybe Francisco Sanchez
Guerrero is my grandmother's father, but I haven't found a marriage
certificate for him in Guadalajara which could lead me to a family.
George, thank you for your excellent advice about
trying the County clerk's office regarding birth
certificates. Another possibility is perhaps there
was a mid-wife for the delivery and the birth did
not get recorded.
I have discovered that if you click on the "invert" button
to view the original images, the background darkens and the
wording becomes much more legible.
Buenas tardes,
Me gustaría saber si alguien posee información sobre el origen de los Gómez en Nochistlán. Una de mis líneas, llega hasta Nicolás GOMEZ DE APARICIO, casado con Magdalena de Sepúlveda, alrededor de 1690.
Los hijos de esta pareja son:
1. Jerónima GOMEZ.
2. Cayetano GOMEZ.
3. Ascencio GOMEZ.
4. Nicolás GOMEZ, casado con María Juana de Torres.
5. Juan GOMEZ, casado con Margarita Antonia Ramirez.
6. Francisco GOMEZ, casado con Manuela Ramírez.
Nunca había visto mencionado el apellido GOMEZ DE APARICIO, desconozco si este apellido tiene origen en los Altos o en algún otro lado.
Saludos y gracias de antemano.
Alejandro G. García
To all,
I just noticed that as of July 23 Teocaltiche church records are now
available online!
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
Ahora me di cuenta que las actas de Teocaltiche estan disponible desde el 23
de este mes en la red!
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
Saludos a todos,
Juan Carlos Aguayo Munoz
____________________________________________________________________
hello, my name is Delia Dominguez, a new member to nuestrosranchos. i need help in understanding how i can use the resources at nuetrosranchos. i am looking for ancestors in Aguascalientes, but specifically my maternal grandmother, Maria Reyes Rodriguez, born about 1894, possibly in Rincon De Romos. i have been able to locate her parents and grandparents, as well as two of her brothers through Familysearch. but not her. can you give me direction or resources i can access.
respectfully,
Delia Dominguez (Duran)
Believe me, after more than 10 years of patiently searching for my grandmother's name
and background and finding literally nothing,my patience is running out but I haven't
yet given up. She doesn't seem to exist in any records I've searched and I don't know her maiden name, so how to find her? She was born about 1892, I believe in Mexico, but have no proof. I am now researching the surnames of Guerrero, Sanchez, Flores, in Guadalajara, based on a family group photo from about 1908.
I have looked for a marriage record (not found) for Francisco Sanchez Guerrero
as I am hoping he is my grandmother's father, which would lead to breaking down
my huge brick wall. You can see a photo of my grandmother, Alma Blanche holding a
baby, the Guerrero family photo with her seated in the center row, and a photo of Jesus Sanchez Guerrero. But due to an older age, I think his brother, Francisco
might be my grandmother's father and the man in the photo. To see the photos please
go to the "latest images" link on the right side of the page.
Patty, thanks so much for your info but the names don't seem to match my searches.
Hola a todos los compañerpos del foro,,, revizando unas dispensas matrimoniales del año 1797 me encotre una que decia que Agustin Gomez Casado con Maria leal y Paula Gomez casada con Martin Casillas eran hijos de esta Pareja de Fernando Gomez y Ana Villaseñor,, lo cual contradice el Libro de Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal, que menciona en su libro que estos dos Agustin y Paula Gomez son hijos de Esteban I Gomez Hurtado de mendoza y Maria Torres Valdivia,, alguien de ustedes sabe de quien eran hijos este Fernando Gomez y Ana Villaseñor,,, la dispensa de la que hablo esta en la pag. 379 de las dispensas de 1797 por si la quieren ver
HOLA,
I AM HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT MY FAMILY TREE WITH MORE THAN 2000 NAMES IS
ALREADY IN NUESTROS RANCHOS GEDCOM, I HOPE IT WILL HELP SOME OF YOU WITH
YOUR RESEACH.
LOOK FOR MARTHA HARO FAMILY TREE
HOLA,
CON MUCHO GUSTO LES AVISO QUE MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO CON MAS DE 2000 NOMBRES
YA ESTA EN EL SITIO DE NUESTROS RANCHOS, EN EL AREA DE GEDCOM.
ESPERO QUE LES SEA UTIL PARA SU INVESTIGACIÓN.
BUSQUEN EL ARBOL DE MARTHA HARO
BUENA SUERTE
MARTHA PATRICIA HARO (PATTY HARO)
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:41 PM, alondra preciado <4darling@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> tengo dato de los medina y busco anecedentes del ano 1730
> tienes algo?
Hi, I have recently noticed that in the baptisms of San Martin Hidalgo, Jalisco from the 1840s to the 1880s many baptisms have the letters "C.C.", "C.Y.", or "Y.Y.". In the baptism of María Demetria Quintero, just below her name are the letters "C.C.". Could these letters mean the parents "castas"? Does "C." mean criollo or castizo, and does "Y." stand for "yndio"? Note that during this time period the letter "i" was replaced with "y".
Here is the link to the baptisms
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
Thanks,
Valente.
tengo dato de los medina y busco anecedentes del ano 1730
tienes algo?
Here are my quick notes of what an be found in the images for the 1846 Padron de Nochistlan found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
1846-1899 - nochistlan - padrones
Film: 226945
NOTE: I am making note of place names only so you will find your people if you already know the name of the rancho, estancia or place where they resided.
IMAGES #003-100
003 slate 1846
004 principio
005/6 1846 padron
007/8 oriente
011 norte
015 poniente
016 sur
018 barrio de santiago
021 barrio de san sebastian
025 barrio de san francisco
029 puesto de la villita
030 cofradia del santisimo / huerta de pachecos
031 cofradia de la purisima / pueblo de toyahua
039 pueblo de apulco
045 pueblo de tenayuca
048/9 chimaliquin
050 rancho de tapias / rio de apulco
051 arroyo hondo
052/3 huegotita / el alamo
054 el salto / el tunal / paso de carretas / estancia de los delgadillo
057/8 santa rita / el trich
059 puesto del coyote / la jabonera
060 puesto del picacho / monte de los yanez
061 los chaves
062 rancho viejo / lo de carrera / las tinajas
063 san martin / mesa de la magdalena / hacienda de tlachichilia
064 rio de santa gertrudis / sombreretillo / huiscolco
065/6 puesto de las bolsas / san roque / el malpaso / el chiquiguitillo
067 el salitre / los cardos / rincon de diego / las pilas / la cienega
068 mololoas / monte de los duranes
069 las ahujas
070 cerro de san miguel
071 mesa de las galusas / santa rita / san jose / el carriscal
072-4 rincon de torres / hacienda de santa gertrudis
075 barranca de jocoqui / el aguacate / el capulin / serro grande
076 mesa de los ocotes / la cienega2 / el citio
077 mesa de los abelares
078/9 rincon de aguayos / hacienda del alamo / cofradia de animas
082 tapotica / paso de orosco
083 la capellania / jesus maria
084 el durasno de carrillos / barranca de morenos / rancho de las troxes / rancho de los gonzalez
085 el salto
086/7 rancho de san jose / rancho viejo / el saucillo
088 rio ancho / el molino
089/90 las huertas
091 javalies
1778-1782 Yahualica, Jalisco - Información Matrimonial
FOUND HERE:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
NOTE: This is my contribution to this group. Please don't contact me with corrections on spelling, typos, or other...the notes below are quick sketches that I take down as I skim the films. I share them here in case they might help fellow members.
Film: 226496
Images 001-251
KEY:
v. = viudo(a) de
franco = francisco
gert = gertrudis
gonz = gonzalez
guad = guadalupe
hn = hijo(a) natural
005 juan justo aguayo & cecilia villegas
008 juan ornelas & antonia dolores de la mora
011 pablo rosendo gomez & felipa de jerez hernandez
014 bartolome garcia & maria barbara
017 jose gonz & gerarda castaneda
021 jose moreno & juana antonia rosalia legaspi
023 jose felix esquivel & maria de la concepcion gomez
026 juan cristobal vargas & lorenza lugarda garcia
028 feliz bonifacio, indio
030/31 domingo de la cruz, indio
033 mariano gonz & andrea vargas
036 pedro jose jauregui & juana josefa garcia
041 juan jose velasco & franca de sandoval
043 pedro jose gonz & juana ricarda ruiz
046 franco limon & gert ruiz
049 antonio vargas & alejandra de loza
051 cristobal huerta & maria vargas, v. laureano gomez
054 leonardo rosalio de jauregui & juana maria vargas
057 jeronimo gutierrez, v. maria lopez & josefa guad, expuesta
059 pedro ignacio rodrigue & ana joachina galvan
061 juan jose roman rodrz & maria sanjose perez
063 juan antonio orosco & monica cardenas
065 juan isidro martines & maria teresa PNC
067 jose sanchez, indio & maria isabel
069 juan sanpedro hernandez, mulato & ursula ramirez, espanola
071 manuel jauregui & sebastiana cuevas
073 miguel limon & maria santos basquez
075 juan rafael ortega & guadalupe rodriguez, v. antonio sanchez
077 estevan perez & ana javiera esparza
079 cristobal guillen & josefa rosalia gomez
082 lucas villalobos & dionicia de la crus
084 antonio cruz & ana maria esqueda
Hi Patty,
I envy your finding so much info on your family and
wonder what names and areas in Jalisco you have reserched.
Thanks - Nancy
I've recently read a couple of books on genetic testing, and related topics. While they do not answer all my questions, they seem to be pretty reasonable:
(1) Trace Your Roots with DNA by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak (this is her name and not a typo) and Ann Turner.
Copyright 2004, so perhaps a little dated, but still a reasonable discussion of what DNA testing can do.
Still in print @ $16.95
(2) The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey by Spencer Wells
Copyright 2002, also perhaps a little dated.
Spencer Wells is the person involved with the Genographics Project (National Geographic). This book is about population migration, more of a "deep ancestry" approach. It would be useful to read this and watch the National Geographic video (watch the video first).
Still in print at $14.95.
I ordered both of them from an online bookstore, none of the brick & mortar stores had them.
I'm still looking for something that does an in-depth description of haplo types.
El Archivo Secreto del Vaticano, disponible en Internet
10/08/11 - 08:11
*Fuente: *
http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/descomunal-archivo-Vaticano-disponible-I…
*
*
*El Vaticano inició la digitalización de los más de 80 mil manuscritos y 40
millones de páginas documentales que lo componen. Y que reflejan la vida de
la Iglesia y el acontener del mundo de los últimos 20 siglos. El proceso
finalizará en una década. Más información en Valores
Religiosos
.*
Fuente:
Buena parte de los "secretos" del mundo de los últimos 2.000 años contenidos
en el fascinante Archivo Secreto del Vaticano se encaminan a estar al
alcance de todos. A partir de la decisión de la Santa Sede de facilitar su
consulta, el avance tecnológico lo hará posible. Merced a un arduo proceso
de digitalización que se puso en marcha en el último año y que finalizará en
una década, será posible acceder a través de Internet (www.vatican.va) a los
80 mil manuscritos y 40 millones de páginas documentales que los palacios
vaticanos atesoran en 85 kilómetros de anaqueles. En alta definición se
podrá disfrutar viendo joyas como el Codex Vaticanus – los pergaminos con la
transcripción más antigua de la Biblia completa, que data del siglo IV-; el
pedido de los Lores de Inglaterra para que se anule el primer matrimonio de
Enrique VIII, cuyo rechazo derivó en el cisma anglicano, y un extracto del
célebre proceso a Galileo Galilei. Pero también será una fascinante
posibilidad -escudriñando en los documentos sobre el quehacer de la Iglesia
y el devenir de los pueblos- de conocer y comprender mejor la historia.