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Sunday, March 15, 2009

Dear Eduardo--

Many thanks for your message. I do have the people you mentioned. They are all great uncles or aunts to my husband. The ones I am missing are as follows:

Child 3 Juan GODINEZ born about 1886
married 22 Sep 1910 to
M. Felipa GUTIERREZ

Child 4 Estefania GODINEZ born about 1888
married 21 Nov 1906 to
Ildefonso ESTRADA
(She died during the great flu epidemic of 1918)

Child 5 Maria Trinidad GODINEZ born about 1891
spinster
died in Tijuana, B.C., Mexico about 1980

Child 6 Francisco GODINEZ (not Francisca)
A twin born 1 Oct 1893 in San Joaquin, Atotonilco el Alto.
married Ma. Encarnacion ARRANAGA about 1925???

Child 7 Nicolas GODINEZ born 1 Oct 1893
the second twin, bachelor
died 7 Sep 1925 in San Joaquin
killed by lightning while under a tree

Child 11 Manuel GODINEZ born 12 Jun 1906
younger brother of Nicolas, bachelor
died 7 Sep 1925 in San Joaquin
killed by the same lightning along with a friend of theirs
The friend's name I no longer have.

Child 12 Jose GODINEZ born 29 May 1909
apparently died very young, no one remembered him

Please tell me what names you are researching. Currently, I am in the process of indexing the 1930 Census for the villages of Margaritas, Milpillas, Santa Elena (previously known as Ranch Viejo, Salitrillo (it only had 60 people in 1930--most who were either DUENAS or apparently married into the DUENAS family, and San Joaquin. I also have some information of the ranchos/haciendas of Bramido, Aguascalientes, El Nacimiento, and the city of Atotonilco el Alto.

I truly thank you for your help with the GODINEZ siblings.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego

PS Eduardo, where are you located?

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Eduardo H Seoane wrote:

Sunday, Mar 15, 2009

Dear Victoriano-

I have two feelings about indices. First, that they are good and help you to find someone quickly, if they are indeed listed. Second, that they are bad because you might skip over someone needed for your family tree. Personally, I would check the film completely at least once, if it was very important because even if you don't find the person you want, you might find other relatives.

Recently, I came across a Cipriana GODINEZ, daughter of Juan GODINEZ and Estefania DE LA TORRE. I have been looking for her brother for at least 30 years. She was in an index of Toluquilla, Jalisco. I had found her parents listed in another index for being married in Toluquilla but with the wrong year...someone had extracted it incorrectly by 10 years. That was many years ago.

Cipriana herself had said at the time of her marriage, 2 Nov 1907, in Atotonilco el Alto, that she was from Toluquila. None of her other siblings said that and since she was the only one and not on my husband's direct line, I didn't bother to order the film. Some of the other siblings had sent me off on other goose chases which resulted in NO new information.

The nice thing about finding Cipriana born on 9 Oct 1884 in Toluquilla, and I have now ordered that film, is that it pushed her brother Juan GODINEZ down a couple of years to where he should more correctly be listed. I still haven't found Juan, who is on my husband's direct line, nor 2 other siblings but I feel I am getting closer. Eventually as more indexes become available, I will find these errant GODINEZ people.

I hope my answer helps you decide what to do. As you can see, there is no exact science to Family History and sometimes even after very diligent work, nothing comes of it and then sooner or later the answer we seek appears.

Best of luck to you in your search.

Sincerely,
Patrica Burton
San Diego

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, victorianonavarro wrote:

Luis Alvarado and Beatriz Lopez de Elisalde had daughters Maria Lopes de Elisalde and Josepha de Alvarado (and at least one other, Antonia Lopes de Alvarado).

Maria Lopes de Elisalde married Thomas Macias on 13 Sep 1659, in Aguascalientes.

Josepha de Alvarado married Nicolas Macias on 21 Feb 1662, in Aguascalientes.

Does anyone have information on Thomas Macias and Nicolas Macias?

George Fulton

Sunday, March 15, 2009

Dear Victoriano--

I checked one of my sources and found the following:

Joseph Maria NABARRO married
16 Jun 1766 in Ocotlan to
Fernanda Josepha SANABRIA

Their children appear to be:

Joseph Bernardino Senicio NAVARRO born
10 Jun 1767 in Ocotlan

Jop. Antto. Mathias NABARRO born
6 Mar 1771 in Ocotlan

Could these be yours? I could not get anywhere with your other names. Sorry.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
in San Diego, Ca.

--- On Sat, 3/14/09, victorianonavarro wrote:

I'm afraid I made an error and would like to apologize for any inconvenience it causes anyone on this site. My grandchildren wanted me on Facebook but apparently I let it access my address book and noticed it's sending out all kinds of junk and I'm not sure yet how to end the error part. Please delete anything it sends you from Facebook from me.. I DID NOT SEND IT!

again, my apology.
a very frustrated Linda in Everett

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ANTONIO JUSTO VALLEJO Pedigree
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Death:  11 MAY 1789  
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  Father:  LUCAS VALLEJO Family
  Mother:  TOMASA HERRERA  

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Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARIA FELICIANA ALVAREZ-TOSTADO Family
  Marriage:  14 JUN 1754   Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico

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Well I finally had my mtDNA performed and received the results today. I can now join Gary Felix's site for the mtDNA, Amerind project. My Haplogroup is A which arose about 50,000 years ago in Central Asia. Haplogroup A was first found among the aboriginal American population. It is one of the five mitochondrial lineages found in aboriginal Americans in North and South America. I guess thanks to my mother and my mother's mother's mothers, I am truly an American.

Now that I've had myself tested, I'll have one of my brothers submit a sample for YDNA and mtDNA and wait to see what the results are.
As the woman on the Comcast commercial says when she's running after the gentleman who's jogging on the track, and she approaches him in her heels and suit to share with him her great deal with Comcast and in conclusion she says, "I'm pumped" ................that's how I feel now...........I'm pumped and excited about my Native American ancestry.

There were no high resolution matches to date, only low resolution matches, two from Mexico, one from the USA and one from England.

I'm afraid I still don't know how to interpret the table with the HVR1 differences from CRS. If anyone has any wisdom to share with respect to DNA testing results and how to read or interpret the findings or knows of literature other than what's on the website that is comprehensive, I would appreciate your assistance.

Alicia

Greetings Robert,
Very interesting stuff, indeed. As it turns out, my mother's maternal Santelices and paternal Onate sides are both Basque. Santelices being Basque was a recent discovery, whereas Onate is well known. About 20 years ago I visited Onate in the Basque region of Spain and was blown away as to the total separation they feel with Spain. They don't claim to be Spanish, they told my mother and myself on various occasions that we were not Spanish, but of the "pais Vasco". In the town of Onate, all public signs, announcements, TV, and radio are in Basque. Basque is totally different and not at all understandable from Spanish. Many words were extremely long and appeared like German! Though all the Basque spoke Spanish, they chose not to speak it amongst themselves, but were kind enough to converse with us in Spanish. The occasional Spanish words used in their conversation were those referring to the government or products from central Spain. I keep a Basque radio station on my c
omputer to listen to from time to time. Really unique! It was a terrific trip I'll never forget. Alice BB

--- gandalf3.1@netzero.com wrote:

From: El Peregrino
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Celtic and Spain
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT)

I just finished reading an article some of you may find of interest: "The Genetic Legacy of Religious Diversity and Intolerance: Paternal Lineages of Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula" by Susan M. Adams, et al, in the Dec. 12, 2008 issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics, Vol. 83, pp 725-736. I don't pretend to understand all of it, but grasped enough to feel the reading worthwhile. I had to get the assistance of someone with access to a medical library to get it, but you all may have your own resources.

I was curious to know a little more about the oft-mentioned Santo Toribio Romo Gonzales, and came across this site (which many of you have probably seen):

http://www.stspeterandpaul-tulsa.org/SaintToribioShrine/tabid/59/langua…

also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29363538@N02/sets/72157606613243192/

there are many more sites - google santo toribio romo or saint toribio romo; read entries with care as there is more than one Saint Toribio in the Catholic Church that will pop up.

ncc

Daniel, I have Juana Gertrudis's surname as MARTIN, not MARIN, as taken from her son Miguel's marriage. I don't have a copy so can't verify this.
Her surname may also be MARTINES?

!MARRIAGE: #299827, notes only
11 Apr 1750, Aguascalientes
En la capilla de la Hazienda del Sr. San Joseph de Guadalupe
en Los Muñoses, feligresia de esta Villa de Aguascalientes
Miguel DIAS DE SANDI,
español originario y vezino del Partido de Theocaltiche
hijo legitimo de Sebastian DIAS DE SANDI
y Juana Gertrudis MARTIN
con
Maria Catharina GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO, española
originaria y vecina de esta en los Tiscareños
hija legitima de Joseph GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO
y Josepha XIMENES, difunta
PADRINOS: Francisco TISCAREÑO y Rita PADILLA
9v

Hope this helps.
Gloria

---does anyone know anything on Sebasti?n D?az de Sandi's wife Juana Gertrudis Mar?n, they should have married ca. 1712. They had at least Sebasti?n Onofr? 1713 and Miguel 1717------

Hello, does anyone know anything on Sebastián Díaz de Sandi's wife Juana Gertrudis Marín, they should have married ca. 1712. They had at least Sebastián Onofré 1713 and Miguel 1717. Sebastián (I) parent's are Diego Díaz y Montáñez and Jacinta Carillo de Sandi.

Also on this couple, does anyone know the genealogy of Bernardo GOnzález de Munguía abt 1665 who married Elvira Carillo de Sandi abt 1670? or Sebastián Delgado who married Inés López AKA Inés de Gallardo all in aguascalientes or Los Altos de Jalisco. Many Thanks! -Daniel del Camino

Sheri,Somos primos! Please contact me at dexaime@excite.com. I have the JAIME lineage going back to the 1600s and Donacia PEDROZA ROMO'S pedigree (2 generations). I also have the descendants of Lasaro MORA which eventually run into our lineage. However, I couldn't find a Tomas MORA.Luis-----Original Message-----From: "Sherri Mora" [kanakalele@aol.com]Date: 03/10/2009 02:42 AMTo: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sabina Jaime and Narciso Mora Dear Victor: I joined this group one week ago hoping to find information regarding Sabina Jaime/Jayme. I started researching my family history just 2 months ago and have hit quite a roadblock with Sabina, my paternal great grandmother. My grandfather was Jesus Mora, brother to Maria de la Luz. I will share with you the information that I think is linked to her and some questions/theories to explain the difficulty we are having. First, I have found the same information in regards to her baptism, marriage,
immigration and death all inconsistent. Frustrating! -I have found birth years ranging from 1868 to 1878. From speaking with those familiar with the customs at the time and place, it would not be unusual to marry at 14, 15 or 16. I've wondered if it is possible that she changed her birth year when she came to the US since this was not the custom there. Somewhere in my notes I have her "from Santa Maria" of which there are many in that area of Aguascalientes. -I found that she had 1 sister, Norberta Jaime (1848). Both have Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza as parents. I would like to talk to someone familiar with the traditions and culture during that time. I know in the Jewish culture if one is near death they have a renaming ceremony to "trick" the angel of death. Perhaps there is something similar in Mexico and Sabina was raised by someone other than her parents after a tragedy (that maybe took their life?) and she was "rebaptized" and renamed? -In the 1970's wh

For Rick Ricci and others researching MARTINEZ CALVILLO

First let me correct the list of children for Juan MARTINES CALBILLO and Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi given in my previous posting:
Anttonia, c. 1671, is not their child, she was the daughter of Ygnasio MARTINEZ CALVILLO and Juana SOTELO de Jaen.

And yes Cristobal RUIZ ESPARZA Lozano is the son of Bernardo RE and Catalina LOZANO. [thank you Bill Figueroa for both facts].

I don’t know anything about Vicente MARTINEZ CALVILLO or Da. Geronima XIMENEZ de Alvarado.

Re Jose Sotero CALVILLO or MARTINEZ CALVILLO:
I have the following two notes, which may be about him:

--a Sotero CALVILLO was a testigo to the marriage of Jose Maria MACIAS Calvillo and Anna Maria DIAS Medina, Jun 1791.

--Entry copied by my father from a genealogical dictionary by Fernando Muñoz Altea, in Mexico, in the 60’s or 70’s, I can’t find name of dictionary: “Entre los insurgentes que lucharon por la Independencia de Mexico se encuentran los hermanos don José Pablo y don Sotero CALVILLO, vicario el primero de ellos de Colotlán, Jal., anteriormente cura de Huajacar [sic], donde al parecer naciera, población que hoy lleva el nombre de Villa de Calvillo."

Back to Phelipe Judas MARTINES CALVILLO:
Here’s his baptism, from a rather botched extraction:
BAPTISM: #226647B, IGI on line
Phelipe Judas MARTINES
hijo de Eugenio CULUILLO Martines
y Donagimudes RUISO
C042746, no dates
NOTE: parents are
Eugenio MARTINES-CALBIYO
y doña Gertrudes RUIS-ESPARSA

Víctor,

No puedo ayudar con tus preguntas. Sin embargo, hice unas rápidas búsquedas. Descubrí que parece haber información de uno de tu bisabuelos en un microfilm, #1155497. Ese microfilm está a mi alcance en la biblioteca que yo visito los martes y miércoles. Posiblemente ya tienes esos datos pero si quieres puedo enviar una copia. Se trata del matrimonio siguiente:

LEANDRO MORA, Spouse: MERCED VILLALOBOS
Marriage: 07 MAY 1817 La Encarnación, Encarnación De Díaz, Jalisco, México
M602693, 1778-1830, 1155497 IGI

Saqué ese matrimonio del informe siguiente:

Tomas Mora, Marriage: 17 APR 1861 Encarnación De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Leandro Mora, Mother: Merced Villalobos
Spouse: Maria Salomé Morán, Father: Anastacio Morán, Mother: Gerónima Chavez, M602695, 1857-1876, 1155499 IGI

En el caso que tengas otros datos de los hijos Mora Morán:

JULIAN MORA MORAN
Christening: 05 AUG 1866 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607006, 1866-1868, 1155476 IGI

NARCISO MORA MORAN
Christening: 01 NOV 1867 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: MARIA SALOME MORAN
C607006, 1866-1868, 1155476 IGI

RAFAEL MORA MORAN
Christening: 07 NOV 1869 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI

LUIZA MORA MORAN
Christening: 15 OCT 1871 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI

PRIMITIVO MORA MORAN
Christening: 30 NOV 1873 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: MARIA SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI

Además encontré los siguientes pero no a Martínez Frausto. ¿Es posible que tus ancestros se conocieron como Martín Fraustos en aquellos tiempos?

NESTOR MARTIN FRAUSTOS
Christening: 03 MAR 1867 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: Antonio Martin, Mother: Maria Matilde Fraustos
C607006, 1866-1869, 1155476 IGI

TEODORA MARTIN FRAUSTOS
Christening: 08 APR 1854 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: ANTONIO MARTIN, Mother: MARIA MATA DE FRAUSTOS
K607003, 1851 - 1854, 1155179 IGI

Busco archivos parroquiales o registros civiles de Mexticacan Jal. de 1925 a 1935 alguien tiene o sabe donde encontrarlos, estoy en Monterrey y no tengo viaje a mexticacan hasta diciembre, gracias de antemano.
Saludos cordiales

Antonio Santillan
santillan59@hotmail.com

While we are on the subject of books and historians, does anyone know if
there are any books on Yahualica or Cuquio, Jalisco? Or on Nochistlan,
Zac?

Joseph, I'm working on marriage information records and came across this one, not sure it's the right family but thought you might want to see it.

Recorded 10 May 1794 in Jerez
Jose Marcial Roman, Espanol age 38 from San Juan
Parents: Bernardo Roman and Ysabel Ortis both deceased
With: Ygnacia de Orosco, Espanola age 25 from Jerez
Expuesta in the home of Juan Antonio de Orosco and Josefa Sanchez
source: 0439899 Jerez marriage infromation record

I could be wrong on the Marcial, could be Maria?

just thought I'd give you a chance to check it out.. just in case

Linda in Everett

I am trying to find information on Diego Lopes de Nava and Juana Gertrudes Flores.

He was born about 1720/30, probably in Aguascalientes, and married Juana Gertrudes Flores. They had at least one child, Maria Teresa Lopes de Nava, who married Jose Pantaleon Sandoval (date unknown); she died 14 Jul 1786, and was buried at Nuestra Sra. de Guadelupe, Aguascalientes. Jose Pantaleon Sandoval married again in 1787, Maria Ignacia Lopes de Nava (daughter of Jose Eulogio Lopes de Nava and Maria Antonia Romo de Vivar).

Jose Pantaleon Sandoval had children by both wives.

Are Maria Teresa and Maria Ignacia related?

George Fulton

I have a Juan Julián González de Bermejo marrying Gertrudis López de Nava, Gertrudis is listed as Gertrudis López de Nava y Flores de la Torre in her daughters marriage. Her daughter was María Salomé González de Bermejo married 26 apr 1739 in Teocaltiche to Matías Ruiz de Esparza. Any help will be appreciated. -Daniel

I was trying to find any Nava married to a Flores de la Torre around 1675 or so as a lead to start. Does anyone have such a couple?

I reordered my albums and added photos of a Coss Y Leon decendant:Genaro Coss Y Leon Aranda, from Arandas, Jalisco. Although we are from the same ancestor I only have Leon as last name.

go to http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16845 to view my Coss Y Leon album.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

Dear Grupo,
I came across this online: Orden Imperial de Guadalupe Establecida conforme al Decreto de la Junta Soberana Provincial Gubernativa de 20 de Febrero de 1822 confirmada el 11 de Julio del mismo ano. Does anyone know what this refers to? Thanks so much for your help. Alice BB

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of jose maria vallejo mercado
Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 2:35 PM
To: consulta genealogica; Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Reunions 2009 -

GRacias por tu atención.

Yo tengo de los hijos de Eligio Romo Jiménez casado con Francisca Gutiérrez González.

Canuto caso con María Concepción Gutiérrez.

Juan casó María Gutiérrez.

Reyes desconozco con quien casó

Irinea casó Pablo Romo

María del Refugio desconozco con quien casó.

Emeterio casó desconozco con quien casó ( pero ya que me dices que era tu tatarabuelo me da gusto saber que tenemos algo en comun, ya que solo sabia que su descendencia vivia en el municipio del Valle de Guadalupe.)

Dionicia casó con Dionicio Gutiérrez.

Por lo anterior me da gusto el tener una linea de parentezco, ( tal vez no te acuerdes de mi pero soy el de Jalos que fuimos contigo un servidor y John González, estuvimos presente en la conferencia con el Lic. Mariano González, tal vez te acuerdes que fuimos a la hacienda del Cuadrado que por cierto no nos dejaron pasar a la hacienda.

Sin más de momento agradezco tu atención y estamos en comunicación.

p. d. un día pase a saludarte y no te encontre, pase con tu papa y le deje mis saludos.

ATTE.

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows who Caterina, daughter of don Marcos Pedroza and María López de Nava, married? Her daughter was my ancestor's first wife. Juana Izzazi y Martín del Campo or Cuevas. I think her paternal grandparents were Nicolás Martín del Campo and Sebastiana Izzazi y Cuevas, hence the Izzazi y Martín del Campo. Juana was also known as Juana Izzazi y Cuevas. So I KNOW for a fact she descended from the same alteño Izazzi.

-Daniel Méndez del Camino

For Bill Figueroa, re Moran & Martines-Calbillo / Lopes

Bill, I have several questions about the family of Domingo MORAN and his wife Antonia MARTINES-CALBILLO / LOPES. Where does the LOPES come in with Antonia MARTINES-CALBILLO? Are their parents named in their wedding document [4 Aug 1665]?

Did Domingo and Antonia have other children besides Nicolas [wife Andrea ALONSO Ruis-Esparsa] and Juan [wife Lorenza MORAN]?

Thank you in advance for any help you might provide. I'm related to this Martines-Calbillo family through several lines.

Gloria Delgado
Albany, CA

Hi everyone!
Mi name is Lucia and I'm doing research about mi roots at los altos de Jalisco, specially about Camarena, Santos, Delgado and Correa.

I'm starting with Camarena that is the one I've more advance in.
The very last information I have is about Manuel de Camarena son of Julián de Camarena and Susana de Guzman de Camarena, ( I have no date of marriage or location or ancetor's of them, or date of birth)

Manuel Ramón de Camarena who married first with Ana (or Soledad?) Corcuera and with Virginia García (2nd marriage). They lived at Arandas Jalisco about 1870, where all of their children were born - at least 3 of them at "San José de La Teja" rancho. I also know that Manuel de Camarena had other Ranchos likes: "Ibarrilla" "Las pilas" "Hacienda de Guadalupe" "El posito" "El Vallado" "Valparaiso" "Jocoyote" "El potrerito" "Tres cruces", "La mesita", "La laguna" and some others in Arandas and La piedad, Michoacán.

If theres anyone ho should share information about or interchange I have some few information about that maybe should help us (all interesested about) to complete some pieces of the jigsaw puzzle

If theres anything I could hel you about, I'll be right here. Thank's a lot!!!

Lucía