Figen and I are headed out of town for First Night: Williamsburg, VA.
I'll catch you in 2007 have a safe but joyful celebration.
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Hi, My name is Raul Luna of Rialto, California. I have been working on my genealogy for several years now. My primary interest has been Juchipila, Zacatecas, where my father, David Hernandez Luna, was born at El Rancho de Vallecitos, in 1905. Most of his ancestors were born in Juchipila, and it is the location where I have found most of the family information. Moyahua, which is near by, is also another place where relatives have come from. My grandfather, Atanacio Robles Luna, died during the Revolution War of 1909 while assisting in burying their fellow dead soldiers. Atanacio contracted a disease while doing this, and was buried with his fellow soldiers. The location is not quite clear. The Luna family in Juchipila is very, very, large..all grandfathers came from large families. Recently, I found a gold mine of informatin on gggrandfather, Pedro Gonzales Robles. Surnames that I am searching for from Juchipila are: Luna, Estrada, Rodriquez, Lamas,Robles, Flores,Esparza, & Reinoso (Reynoso).
My mother's side of the family, the Cristernas, came from Jerez, Zacactecas. Athough the Cristernas were from Jerez, they moved to Guanacevi, Durango, where my mother and her sister were born. Some surnames connected to the Cristernas are Acuna, Lopez, Avila, Medina, Castanon, and Cardenas.
I noticed that Linda Castanon Long also belongs to this group. Well, Linda and I have a connection with our Castanon family. My grandfather's sister, Margarita, married Librado Castanon....one of Linda's relatives.
I have been married for 43 years, have 3 adult children, 4 grandchildren. I am retired from the Postal Service after 31 years, enjoy coaching girls softball, but genealogy is my biggest hobby and keeps me well occupied.
I have over 1200 names in my Family Tree, and I have submitted the info to the Family Tree Maker Organization, though not all the info I have submitted shows up.
Welester,
If you are in Monterrey and know Israel Cavazos Garza, could you do me a favor? Israel lives in Ciudad de Guadalupe I believe? He wrote book on the ciudad. Israel devotes a chaper in the book to El Tierra Dura in San Rafael I bielieve. The property belonged to the Sepulveda family. Israel mentions the will of Vicente SEpulveda Garza made in 1818. Vicente Sepulveda is my great great great grandfather.My grandfather Arturo Ayala y Robles was the son of Yldefonso Ayala y Spulveda and Porfiria Robles y Rivas and was born in Saltillo in 1868. His cousin was Vito Alessio RObles. Yldefonso Ayala was the son of Ramon Ayala and Refugia Sepulveda y Garza and born 1837 in Monterrey. Refugia was the daughter of Vicente Sepulveda y Garza and his second wife Maria Josefa Garza y Yslas a nd born in 1804 in Guadalupe Vicente Sepulveda was baptized in 1745 in Salinas Victoria. I would dearly like to have a copy or translation of the will. COuld you talk to him about getting a copy of
the w
ill? Also I am stuck on Maria Josefa Garza' father. I know his name was Joaquin Garza. I don't know the genealogy of Joaquin Garza. I know he married Antonia Margarita Yslas y Palacios f rom Lampazos. Anything to help me out with Joaquin Garza would be nice. I guess that is a big wish list.
Welester, I don't know if you have time for this but let me know if you can help or not. I would appreciate anything.
Thanks bvery much,
Esther
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Hi Alicia ,
I'm Welester and I am currently living in Monterrey , Mexico however I am American and was born and raised in Los Angeles , Calif. and up until I moved to Monterrey I lived in Marina del Rey , Ca.
I started my family research when I was 9 yrs. old I say this because it started with my name ( Welester ) growing up in L.A. was not easy for a little mexican boy in East L.A. at first til I was in the 7th grade . All the kids would make fun of me cuz name wasn't Paul , Tommy , George or whatever and sometimes had to fight because of my name so, one day I asked my dad whom I called POP " Where did my name come from " and as fast as I asked him , he snapped back at me and said " WHY DON'T YOU LIKE IT ! " I sunk back into my seat and said " yea I like it " and that was that !
Believe it or not this is what made my want to learn more about the family .
Now , to get to some of your questions on , is the grass greener on the other side . I went to the Mormon church on Santa Monica Blvd. in L.A. about 27 yrs ago and asked for help , unfortunately in those days they were not as eager as they are today to help a non member of the church so they sent me off to the micro-film room and showed me the cabinet of films and basically said how bout . Didn't get very far and became discouraged and left .
Years later I tinkered some more but still no luck , I asked Pop about some things but he always seemed not to remember . I asked my aunt , his sister and she always painted a real sweet , beautiful picture in my mind about how it used to be , nothing else .
Now , 5 yrs. ago I sold one of my two companies and decided that I would go to Monterrey , Mexico for one year and quickly do all my family research , thinking , since I will be in Monterrey and Pop is from there it should be a breeze , right ... WRONG ! Guess again .
There are files in the archives that are damaged beyond repair , people who outright refuse to deal with you because to them you're still a gringo .
I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have
found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few
hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each
other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along:
Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are
cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from
Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther
was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had
been lost to each other for such a long time.
Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I
go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found
each other every time connections are made within the group.
Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the
party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta
begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !
what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and
your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.
hohoho,
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
this is exactly like I feel and thanks to Jonathan for expressing my
feeling. also thanks for the admonition to calm down I needed it.
thanks again Jonathan for the hard work you have done for many members
of the group. You are a great contributor to what makes the group great.
thanks,
joseph
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Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] Join Rootsweb: Nuestros Ranchos Members
facing the gallows!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:53:07 -0700
From: Mexican FHR
To: Puentes, Joseph
Hello,
I have seen the growth of the Ranchos group, from the beginnings to the
present. And I may not be as frequent or vocal of a member that I should
be. But when I read, Joseph's response, I can understand his point of view,
and also the point of view of the members.
So I, would like to put in my 2 cents, on this discussion.
First, of all, Joseph calm down, I am sure that the statement about
"satisfying Joseph" was not made to offend. But if it was those members,
deserve what they reap. So, please don't be offended, by the statement.
And please, pretty please, keep up the hard work and effort that you do on
behalf of the Ranchos community.
Second. The requirements of membership into the Ranchos and Nuestros Ranchos
community were established by Joseph, back in about February of 2003. And
every person, who has wanted to join the Ranchos and the Nuestros Ranchos
groups, and even the Ciudad Juarez group, has had to agree, to those
requirements. Several times, there have been polls about changing the
requirements, for membership. The results, of the polls, have been to leave
the requirements, as they are now. So it is not just about satisfying
Joseph. It is about satisfying the requirements established by the group
membership.
I'm not into poetry but every once in a while a poem comes along that
rocks me. Listen to "My Roots Run Deep" by Bobby LeFebre. Also listen to
the entire Tiahui Podkast #5 for other poetry especially a poem by Lil
Milagro that gives a Women's perspective about War and those that suffer
in its aftermath.
the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project is happy to have
received permission to link to the Tiahui Podkast:
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/poetry.html#tp
*Tiahui Podkast: "My Roots Run Deep" © by Bobby LeFebre*
===> Click to Hear Tiahui Podkast: "My Roots Run Deep" © by Bobby
LeFebre
(http://nuestrosranchos.podlot.com/BobbyLeFebre.mp3)
===> Click for a Word File of: "My Roots Run Deep" © by Bobby LeFebre
(http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/MyRootsRunDeepByBobbyLeFebre.doc)
The *Tiahui Podkast*: http://www.tiahuipodkast.com/ produced by Cisco
Gallardo is bringing forth a variety of information and
audio about the Chicano community. Please go to the Tiahui Podkast
website and subscribe to the podcast via their RSS feed:
http://rss.mac.com/tiahui/iWeb/tiahui%20podkast%20/Podcast/rss.xml
*TIAHUI PODKAST #5*
===> Click to Hear Tiahui Podkast #5 15 Dec 2006
(http://www.tiahuipodkast.com/sounds/tiahuipodcast5.mp3)
Friday, December 15, 2006
~::Cafe Cultura::~ "Indigenous Unity! ¡Unidad Indigena!"
December 8th, 2006
http://www.myspace.com/cafecultura
Agradezco al grupo por aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del grupo y aprender como puedo participar.
Muchas gracias.
Juan Luis Gomez
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En cuanto a mis antepasados son
bisabuelo paterno Bruno Gomez Uribe., nacio en San Felipe Cuquio, jal.
Bisabuela paterna Maria Cruz Ponce , casados el 18 de Agosto 1875, en San Felipe Cuquiop, Jalisco
abuelo. paterno Jose Dolores Gomez Ponce . nacido en San Felipe Cuquio, Jal.
abuela. paterna Maria Diaz Saldaña , nacida en San Felipe Cuquio, Jal.
Padre Juan Gomez Diaz nacido en San Felipe Cuquio, Jalisco el dia 14 de Febrero de 1919.
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Tatarabuelo materno Gonzalez
Tatarabuelo materno Francisco Vallin nacido En Yahualica, Jalisco
Bisabuelo materno Pascual Gonzalez nacido Yahualica, Jalisco
Bisabuela materna Paulina Vallin Nacida Yahualica, Jalisco
Abuelo materno Ramon Moreno Garcia nacido en Tequila, Jalisco
Abuela materna Maria del Pilar Gonzalez Vallin Nacida en Yahualica, Jalisco el dia 11 de Octubre de 1895
Madre Guadalupe Moreno Gonzalez nacida en Guadalajara, Jalisco el dia 23 de Septiembre de 1923
Juan Luis Gomez Moreno nacido en Guadalajara, Jalisco el dia 1 de Marzo de 1952 en Guadalajara., Jal.
Saludos a todos los del grupo.
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I just arrived this morning from Los Angeles and finally have a moment to catch up on Nuestros Ranchos postings. I wanted to share a bit about my trip to Mexico this year. While I was down there for a wedding and therefore largely busy with family events, I did get some genealogy-related things done.
Perhaps the most interesting was a visit to a rancho in Totatiche, Jalisco named Charco Hondo. The rancho was perhaps the first permanent Spanish settlement in the region as all of the towns including Totatiche and Temastian were indigenous (mostly Tepehuan) settlements. The 1770 census of the rancho shows a population of more than 300 inhabitants which means it was quite a vibrant place at the time.
What drew me there was a mention in a book of a cornerstone in one of the old buildings on the rancho with an inscription describing the building as a school whose teacher was a certain Joseph Grano... who happens to be my ancestor 7 times over. I got to see and touch the stone with the date of August 1725... the building, made of stone is largely intact... the roof collapsed several decades ago and has been replaced but the walls and door are clearly the originals. There are many other ruins in the rancho, mostly adobe and therefore much more deteriorated. There are also the ruins of the original dam built on the rancho, also in the early 1700s. It was amazing too see, feel, touch and smell these lands of my ancestors.
I will share photos in the following days.
I also went to the Centro Universitario Norte of the Universidad de Guadalajara, which is located in Colotlan, Jalisco. It is a beautiful campus with a great bookstore of local microhistory, anthropology, etc. I bough several books which I will also inventory for the group in the coming days.
According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara, which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final destination for many spanish and portuguese immigrants. Along the same lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792, confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name, origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived in Aguascalientes.
I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful tool for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested in several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the "Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife Catharina de Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with their 24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife died in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage, among them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza, born in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado died in 1797.
I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792 and would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the original "padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies of the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de 1648".
Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
Dear Ranchos Members;
I would like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of you for your contributions whether major or minor to this group. You know something is great when you cannot imagine life before you had it. It's like the microwave or the toaster, they just sit there on your counter and you may choose to use it or not but when you need it and it's not there you know you have to have it. All of you are like my microwave, or toaster, each a different brand, color, size and shape but useful and indispensable none the less. I can't imagine life without Nuestros Ranchos and that means "YOU"
But most of all I owe a big Abrazo to Joseph Puentes and Arturo Ramos, Joseph for having a vision of an on-line Genealogical Group and for making his vision a reality and Arturo for taking The Ranchos Group and turning it into the Mega Nuestros Ranchos that it is today. Arturo and Joseph are each forward and optimistic looking individuals and while I don't personally know you Arturo, I thank you for all you have done in 2006 for Nuestros Ranchos. I know I can't begin to imagine how much work this is for each of you.
I know there are others who have made substantial contributions to this group in support of our common goal, to search for our ancestors and learn of our history, you know who you are and my hat off to all of you!
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care...................May your stockings be filled with great love and much joy!!
Happy Christmas to all and to all a good night.............Feliz Navidad a todos!!
Su Amiga,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, Esparza, Jauregui, Muños, Muños, Olazaba, Ortega de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif.
this is already in the links page but thought I would re introduce it
since I just saw it again on the Scout Report:
4. David Rumsey Map Collection: Antique Atlases
http://www.davidrumsey.com/atlases.html
The world of antique maps and atlases is a wide one, and includes such fine
volumes as the exquisite atlas of New Spain created by Alexander von
Humboldt in 1811 and Mitchell’s School Atlas of 1847. These atlases and
hundreds more can be viewed at this site, provided courtesy of the David
Rumsey Historical Map Collection. Online since 2000, the antique atlas
section is divided geographically into smaller sections that cover North
America, Africa, and Europe. After clicking on over to one of these
sections, visitors will be presented with a complete list of the available
atlases. As the site utilizes the powerful Insight Browser, visitors can
scroll around on each document at their leisure, zooming in and out along
the way. [KMG]
To subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Scout Report or in text or HTML
format, go to:
http://scout.wisc.edu/About/subscribe.php
Thanks for your comments Gary and thanks for your efforts with the
Mexico DNA project. I hope your holidays are blessed and prosperous.
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Genteic Genealogy
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:54:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary Felix
To: Joseph Puentes
Feliz Navidad Joseph. Very good explanation.
An additional help is finding relatives of a different surname, which is
frequent in our culture. Some of our ancestors took surnames on their
Maternal side.The Salinas surname is frequent enough in Northeastern
Mexico and in our project's results to possibly connect to Don Pedro
Salinas who was an early settler to the region. Our project's Salinas
can't quite trace back that far to confirm but we have recently found a
Longoria with the Salinas Ydna. This connection is significant in
that Javier Salinas a founder of Mier Tamaulipas married a Longoria. A
similar situation occurred connecting the Garza and Trevino names only
this was verified by paper trail.
There weren't that many settlers in Northeastern Mexico and many lines
daughtered out (did not leave male line relatives). Many are the
descendants of the surviving lines in this part of Mexico. This is
similar to what happened in Northwestern Mexico. If you see the project
page we may have identified a founder NW Mexico lilne in the Robles
surname.
The founders leave the most descendants.
Gary
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm
*/Joseph Puentes /* wrote:
since I just woke up and you just posted this I'll toss in a comment
but
I'm by far no expert in DNA (I've CC'ed Gary Felix - Hi Gary. . .Feliz
Navidad - of the Mexico DNA project to comment if I totally miss the
boat on something: very possible):
I would like to thank my recent found Cousin Linda from Everett. She has given my a great Christmas gift one I found a lost cousin I thought I would never find. My parents know her Gutierrez relatives very well but never met Linda. We have reunited a lost line. She has also helped me extend my Mendez line a lot. My Mendez line started from 1840 to 1750 thanks to her. I thank you Linda, I don't know how I would of continued my genealogy without your help. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone to this wonderful group. God Bless all of us with health and desire to continue our genealogy. -Daniel of San Jose, California.
How does this help one's genealogy? I heard you can see where you and someone else like Royal shared a common ancestor at one point. Can it extend your genealogy any further by doing this?
Is anyone researching the Lopez line in Huanusco Zacatecas?
Here is my oldest Lopez of my line... Ramon LOPEZ (b. 1802) and his wife Crisanta Esparza (b. 1810)
Any help is appreciated.
My gedcom is now available for those group members who would like to view my genealogy. Something everyone on this group should notice when viewing it is that almost all of my ancestors on my Mother's side intermarried and may apprar more than a couple times sharing the same ancestors. Kind of confusing when I was doing my genealogy. All of my grandparents are at least 2nd cousins at least back to 1830. Hope you all find it useful and interesting. Daniel of San Jose, California
Fernando,
continuo aqui el mensaje que mande por error sin terminarlo...
¿Te queria preguntar que apellidos investigas tu? Mencionaste el apellido
Rostro, pero no recuerdo haberlo visto en los microfilms de Cuquio. Aunque
eso no quiere decir nada, ya que no es un apellido que yo este buscando.
¿Cuales son los apellidos que buscas en Cuquio?
Maria
My parents are Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez and Ampelia del
Camino Garcia. I was born in San Jose California. On 2 Jun 1992 ( I am 14 years of age) I was born in the
Mormon Church. My grandparents are Martin Mendez Serrano (Feb 1917)
and Maria del Refugio Cortez Moran (1935) she is currently living.
My grandfather Martin died in 2001. My maternal grandparents are
Antonio del Camino Lizalde II (1935) (currently living) and Maria Carolina Garcia del
Camino (1940) she died in 2003. I started Genealogy about 2 years ago. My grandfather started in 1985
so I continued for him and fell in love with genealogy. My hobbies
are golfing, coin and stamp collecting. I descend from Mariano del Camino Martinez who
people call those rich people with those HUGE haciendas from back in
the day but then the government split the haciendas with the poor
which was nice of them. He owned La Luz. in Huanusco, Zacatecas.
I love reading. I like to travel around with my family. I have been told by my grandpa that he possibly descends from King Rizzardo di Camino IV of Treviso he went to a genealogy
conference back in 1987 and a man helped me with a lot of stuff. But
obviosly I don't have evidence of this connection. He is from the 1300's in Treviso Italy. Im pretty young for my age and working on my genealogy but very mature for my age. What I do know is that I descend from the conquistador Lord Juan del Camino de Montanes this was passed down through the generations many of the few things. But then again I also don't haveany substanial evidence of this link. It was said Lord Juan settled at the southeastern edge of Aguascalientes and San Luis Potosi. This was in 1542. He came in 1521 and relocated there. Im at the point that I have connected my Camino ancestors to Calvillo, Aguascalientes. Thanks to Joseph. Thats all about me Thanks to everyone being such great members of this group. Merry Christmas.
Hello,
My name is Lisa Gonzalez, I live in Antioch California. I am researching my mother's side of the family; the Lopez and the Martinez families from Rancho Lo de Carrera, Tenayuca, Zacatecas. Most legal filings were made in Apulco, the nearest "big town."
My grandmother, Maria Guadalupe Lopez was born at Rancho Lo de Carrera in 1909. Her parents, Biviano Lopez and Crispina Martinez left Mexico soon after 1909 (family tradition says 1910) and settled in Morenci, AR. By the 1940s, most of the family had relocated to Los Angeles, or Oakland CA. I know the names of Biviano and Crispina's parents, but that's it.
I will mostly be using library, LDS resources, and the Internet.
I am extremely impressed and fascinated by the action on Nuestros Ranchos. I've been involved with genealogy for about five years and when I came across this site I knew I had finally arrived. I would appreciate any feedback.
I wiish you all a wonderful and fruitful New Year.
Does anyone know where this surname comes from? I know it's not Spain. I found it in several French genealogies as ROLIN. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
Was someone looking for Rancho De los Pajarros? Ifound one in California metioned in a book about early California
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EMILIE I have a grandmother named Maria de Jesus CERVANTES born around 1790-1800 in ZAPOTILTIC, JALISCO. What part are your CERVANTES from in JALISCO? -DANIEL MENDEZ DEL CAMINO