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Hola prim@s,

Many of us have ancestors from Jalisco that came from Cotija, Michoacan, and since there are no records of the parish available other than a few dispensas, I wanted to share these 2 census records that I found:

They were very, very useful in my research...

1759
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-67ZN-9?i=89&cc=1883388

1768
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TX-BNW8?i=1258&cc=1883388

I have transcribed both padrones into spreadsheets, if anyone is interested in such, I will be very happy to share that as well.

Happy day to all! :)

I am having an audiobook produced, dedicated to my great-grandmother,
Hipolita Orendain de Medina. I need to know the correct Spanish
pronunciation of "Orendain." I've gone to a variety of resources online,
but they don't all agree. I have no contact with any living relatives in
Mexico. Is the "dain" part of the name pronounced similar to the English
"dain" (long a sound), "dine" (long i sound) or "dean/deen" (long e sound)
? And where should the accent mark fall?

I truly would appreciate your assistance.

Thank you,
Laurel Anne Hill

I would go for a long i ( your second choice), but then that's how we (mexicans) pronounce it now, heavens knows how they did it back then.
Abraham de Alba

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Hi,
I found I book online that I thought someone might find interesting.
the title of the book is:
NOTICIAS BIOGRAFICAS CONTENIDAS EN LAS PARTIDAS DE ENTIERRO DE LOS LIBROS SEGUNDO, TERCERO Y CUARTO DE DEFUNCIONES DEL ARCHIVO DEL SAGRARIO METROPOLITANO DE LA CIUDAD DE GUADALAJARA 1634-1667

Here is the link for the pdf:
https://www.museocjv.com/LIBROSDECLAUDIO/monografias/NOTICIAS%20BIOGRAF…

saludos

sus

Hi, Laurel....Orendain in Spanish (pronunciation) would be
"oh-ren-dine"....the "r" has a "rolled r" sound...long i sound...if you
google pronouncenames.com you can hear the pronunciation...best wishes on
your venture!

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 7:27 PM
wrote:

Dear Laurel,

Your question is a good one.

Spanish grammar dictates that words are accented on the second to last syllable of the word unless there is a written accent. However, the name Orendain is of Basque descent, so in Basque, the written accent falls above the “a”.

Did you see this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfR5xnbMsck
Here the accent is unwritten and follows the rule and “dain” is more like the English sound in “dine or pine”

Hope this helps.

Stephanie

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but I recently stumbled upon a book titled "No queda huella ni memoria?: semblanza iconográfica de una familia" by Aurelio de los Reyes. The book appears to be out of print and I'm not sure if it can be purchased, but large portions of the book can be viewed through Google Books. Starting around page 171 the author posts an extensive collection of family photos - some dating as far back as 1864. It's a pretty awesome collection and if you have ancestors from Pinos or the surrounding areas you may want to check it out.

Here is a link to the book. https://books.google.com/books/about/No_queda_huella_ni_memoria.html?id…

Click on any of the selected pages being displayed and scroll to page 171

Can Any HELP! Those who have Ruiz de Velasco lines in Los Altos
the patriarch is Pedro Ruiz de Velasco y Haro married to ANa Núñez
y Bohórrquez. He is supposed to have been a relative of the Viceroy
Luís Ruiz de Velasco y Haro or commonly shortened to Luís de Velasco.
Has anyone made this connection yet or have any info or leads? If
Pedro was a Velasco y Haro he has to descend from Antonio
de Velasco, Sñor de salinas and Juana Ruiz de Alarcón. The Ruiz de Velasco y Haro last name was created when these two married. I have Pedro born ca. 1590
His uknown father ca. 1560 and his grandfather uknown ca. 1518 and his grt grandfather should be Antonio de Velasco and Juana Ruiz de Alarcón. Who
knows maybe the viceroy was his grandfather anything is possible but we need proof. Any leads or info welcomed! -Daniel Méndez del Camino

My name is Betty Ritchley and like many of you, I have a rich and proud family ancestry based in Zacatecas. My mother's family started out in Los Jauregui, Nochistlan de Mejia, Zacatecas with Cristoval Manuel Jauregui Yanez and Catarina de Sarate Aramburu. The families kept migrating north, eventually settling in San Miguel de los Anchos in Chihuahua. My grandparents, Librado Quiroz and Maria Trinidad Rodriguez y Solis, eventually moved to Juarez, Chihuahua to escape the revolution.

I have been researching our family for a while now and have learned so much. If I can share any information that I have found, please let me know. I want to say how very glad that I have found all of you and look forward to working with you to learn more about our families and how they connect.

Thank you for taking a look at this.

My husband’s 4th great grandfather was Andres Borjon (b.about 1800-1830), married to Manuela Resendes/Resendez.

Our records show then the Valparaiso, Zacatecas area, specifically Hacienda Carrillo. His spouse was Manuela Resendez about 1800–1894, and the children are:Son Cecilio/Sesilio Borjon 1829–1894 and Daughter Maria "Marequita" Borjon 1830–1918.

There’s a tree on ancestry that merges our Andres Borjon with Jose Andres Borjon Sanchez, from Atotonilco el Alto, son of Jose Ygnacio De Loiola Borjon Garcia (b. 1792), with several generations and extended family in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.

I was excited to see this, because the Atotonilco el Alto Botjon Sanches lines go straight back to Spain.

But on further review, there are no documents linking our Andres with their Jose Andres. It's an assumption based on the names.

I’ve looked for baptismal records that show abuelos, nothing.

Our Zacateca records linking our Andres Borjon to the 3rd great grandparents/aunt are the death records that list Andres and Manuela as the decedent's parents.

I do note that others from Zacatecas seem to originate from Atotonilco el Alto. The areas are very close.

I’d appreciate any suggestions. Are there Atotonilco records that are not indexed or not on Ancestry/Family Search.Org? Are there any genealogy lists that might tell us who their Jose Andres Borjon Sanchez married?

Where should I look?

Thanks

Anita Brenner

Hola prim@s,

I came upon this IM in the San Matias Sierra de Pinos archives (found HERE), and I was able to make some new discoveries regarding the families of Juan Díaz de León cc Francisca de Ortega and Juan de Santiago cc María de la Trinidad.
Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Gaspar Gómez de León and Ana de los Reyes

Gaspar Gómez de León and Ana de los Reyes petitioned marriage on 29 Sep 1662, in Sierra de Pinos. They were both categorized as Mestizos.

Gaspar Gómez was born around 1642 in San Luis Potosí. He was an “hijo de la Yglesia” (of unnamed parents), and had been living in Sierra de Pinos for a little over a year. Ana de los Reyes, aka Ana Gutiérrez, was born in Pinos, and was the daughter of Melchor de los Reyes and Luisa de Ávalos, both deceased.

Gaspar and Ana presented 4 witnesses to attest to their eligibility for marriage: Marcos Arevalo (Spaniard, age 40), Pedro Díaz de León (Spaniard, age 46), Juan de Santiago (Spaniard, age 67), and Nicolás de Medina (Mestizo, age 30). Of interest, are what Pedro Díaz de León and Juan de Santiago had to say:

Pedro Díaz de León (son of Juan Díaz de León cc Francisca de Ortega, and married to Josefa de Santiago) said that he had had Gaspar Gómez in his company for a little over a year, during which time, he had remained single and free of impediments to contract marriage; nor did he have any from before, for having heard it from reputable people, who had seen the youth grow-up in and around San Luis Potosí, as he had inquired with utmost care, after the boy came into his company, because he knew that he was the son of one of the sisters of this witness, for which reason he was helping him contract marriage with Ana de los Reyes, who was the 1st-cousin of his wife, and whom he had known since she was born, and whom he had seen grow-up in the company of his father-in-law. For this reason, he knew that she was also single and eligible for marriage.

Quiero saber si alguien tiene algo de informacion sobre Juan Vasques Perea y si pude ser el mismo Juan Perea mentado en el libro "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia" por Guillermo Garmendia Leal:

p. 13 "Lista de Otros 23 Pobladores de la Ultima Guadalajara"
PEREA, Juan. Originario de Valladolid. Hijo de Juan Perea y Elvira Sanz. Fue vecino de Mexico. Fue a la Conq. de Guatemala y Honduras. Fue a Colima con Pedro de Alvarado. Fue con el virrey Mendoza a la pacificacion de Xalisco. Se avecindo en Guadalajara siendo soltero.

Juan Vasques Perea caso "ya viejo" con Elvira Gil de Lara, hija del conquistador Juan Cermeno. Tenian varios hijos e hijas. Sus descendientes vivian en el area de Lagos de Moreno y usaban los apellidos "Vasquez Zermeno" y "Vasquez de Lara." Juan Vasques Perea murio cerca el ano 1550. Un nieto Juan Gomez hizo preguntas en 1576 a un conquistador "de los servicios hechos al Rey p[o]r el d[ich]o Juan Vasquez..."

Found this map of the "Puerto de San Francisco" by Juan De Ayala of the pacquebot San Carlos. This is a detailed map of the San Francisco Bay year 1775.

The dark shaded area is the water and the light shaded area is land. The mouth or entrance into the bay is as the bottom.

This map is complete with reference points. Point D is "Almejas" at the bottom. Point B is Isla Angel (Angel Island). There are so many other points.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/14y4kg8.jpg

If you want to see the archive from its original source so you can zoom it up close as much as you want and copy it form there?

The reference is: MP-MEXICO,305

Website is:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Hello!

Have you ever heard of a rancho or pueblo called Mineral del Favor? could be in Jalisco or Michoacan,

I am tracing Alejo Espinoza's first wife Antonia Barragan (the marriage record attached indicates she was burried there)

Thank you in advance

Hello!

Have you ever heard of a rancho or pueblo called Mineral del Favor? could be in Jalisco or Michoacan,

I am tracing Alejo Espinoza's first wife Antonia Barragan (the marriage record attached indicates she was burried there)

Thank you in advance

Rick responded to a post I had made in another part of the Forum; however, to prevent that post from going off topic I decided to make its own.

Rick's slightly edited post:

"Please provide more information if you want help on Juan Vasquez de Mercado and Ynes Rangel de Acuña. Who are their kids? What years are they likely to be alive? Where did they reside? Did they move around a lot or did they mainly stay in one or two places? Who were their padrinos in their kids baptisms? Do you have any specific information on them?

There were different lines of descent that carried the Mercado Vasquez surname. There are Vasquez de Mercado or Mercado de Vasquez throughout Mexico.

One of them was started when with Juan de la Cueva del Mercado, Señor de la Casa de la Cueva de Úbeda y doña Leonor de San Martín Vázquez de Acuña. They had a son named Juan de la Cueva Mercado Vasquez.

From Spain to Fresnillo, Zacatecas. mexico

A second line of Mercado Vasquez, or Vasquez de Mercado line originated with Lic. Ginés de Mercado y Inés Vázquez.

They had a son named Gines de Mercado y Vasquez. This line of descent is the one that the Vasquez de Mercado from Fresnillo, Zacatecas, descend from.

1). Lic. Ginés de Mercado ) y Inés Vázquez,

2). Capitán Ginés Vázquez de Mercado (b. in Talavera, Spain, d. 1553, Juchipila) and Ana Vázquez de Tapia (d. Before husband as he is a widower in his later years) ), Ginés and his wife Ana were cousins.

They had one son and three daughters.

Your Juan Vasquez de Mercado that is married to Ynes Rangel de Acuña is most likely a descendant of one of these four siblings."

END RICKS POST

I am direct male descendant of Juan Vasquez de Mercado and Ines Rangel de Acuna. I have taken a Y-DNA test if that will help at all.

Juan Vasquez de Mercado (I have seen him referred to using first name Bacilio and Onofre; however, this is in dispensas many years later) and Ines Rangel de Acuna had at least 5 children:

1. Juan Vasquez de Mercado m. 19 Feb 1703 Tepatitlan to Maria de Alva Navarro
2. Antonio Vasquez de Mercado m. 29 Jun 1704 Cuquio to Maria Plascencia Maldonado
3. Rosa Vasquez de Mercado m. NN probably to a Gutierrez
4. Maria Vasquez de Mercado m. to Juan Plascencia Maldonado
5. Domingo Vasquez de Mercado m. to Teresa Plascencia Maldonado

We descend from Dr Geronimo de Orozco and Beatriz Tello de Lomas (Sandoval). I cam across an interesting article called Jewish Presence in Los Altos de Jalisco. You can read it here:

https://diariojudio.com/opinion/presencia-judia-en-los-altos-de-jalisco…

It names the Tello de Orozco clan (among many others) and implicitly refers to them as though they would have been of Jewish descent. Does anyone have any documentation or family history that would corroborate this statement? The whole point of being a Crypto was not to get caught, so finding books or documents that would verify the Jewish descent of the progenitors or there immediate succeeding generations has proved somewhat difficult.

I am confident we receive (at least in part) our Jewish heritage from families just like this one...

Thanks

I have both of Sergio Gutierrez's books "Los Altos de Jalisco" Vol I & II. Vol I contains a census for Nochistlan in 1649 and Vol II has on for Nochistlan in 1664. At the end of Vol II there is a "Relacion o Descripcion del Curato de Nochistlan y Otros Pueblos, con su Padron [de 1651]" which seems to be a description of the people in the city.

Is the description above what is being considered as the Padron of 1651 or is there an actual census? If so, where can I access the census? Thank you

Hay alguien por ahí en NR que sepa quienes son los padres de Joseph Nicolás de Aceves y Ma. Gertrudis Navarro . Se que se casaron antes de Agosto de 1790, en Tepatitlán, pero no logro encontrar la fecha del matrimonio. Aquí están los datos básicos sobre está pareja que tuvo cinco hijos:

Joseph-Nicolás de Aceves Nació: ca. 1768 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
.. +María-Gertrudis Navarro Nació: ca. 1772 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: Bef. Agosto 1790 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce

1. María-Guadalupe de Aceves Nació: 01 Mayo 1791 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
..... +Sixto Hernández Nació: ca. 1790 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 27 Octubre 1813 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce Padre: Ignacio Hernández Madre: Francisca Hernández
2. María-Nicolasa de Aceves Nació: 22 Mayo 1797 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
3. María-Ramona de Jesús de Aceves Nació: 13 Marzo 1799 en Las Milpillas, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
..... +Juan-Antonio Abad Fernández de Rueda Nació: 08 Septiembre 1801 en Las Coronillas, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 12 Mayo 1819 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce Padre: Juan-Antonio Fernández de Rueda Madre: María-Margarita Félix
4. María-Gertrudis de Aceves Nació: 11 Agosto 1805 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
5. María de los Santos de Aceves Nació: 11 Noviembre 1807 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce

Estaría bastante agradecido si alguien me pudiera ayudar con esta familia.

I have all my family tree info in Family search, since it was the first site I used when I started working on my tree last year.

I am still very new at researching and learning new things constantly, thanks to this forum for example.

Now, I have considered taking this a little more seriously and want to have control of my information, so here is my question...

Which one, in your opinion is the best site to have your family tree that is not as expensive as ancestry? (I understand that building your tree in ancestry is free, but you cannot see records, unless you subscribe)

Thanks in advance for your opinions

Gaby Barbosa

Dear prim@s:

I have seen records of wills on Family Search for Jalisco, but I am wondering if there is an index somewhere, or anyone has done any work on these? let's say if a death records shows that the person left a will, what are the chances of finding it? and if so, which resources could I use to do so?

Thank you in advance

Gaby B.

Hola prim@s,

Here is an essay I have written about these early Sierra de Pinos settlers. My sources are San Matias Pinos parochial records (provided by Mary Lou Montagna), and parochial and protocolo records found at FamilySearch and at PARES.

Enjoy!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

FRANCISCO DE CARDONA Y MAGDALENA DE CARAVAJAL

Francisco de Cardona was born around 1569 in Mexico City, son of Francisco Ramón de Cardona and Leonor de Villegas. He was brother of Mariana de Cardona, baptized 1 Sep 1567, and of Leonor de Cardona, who married Juan de Armas, on 23 Oct 1594, in Mexico City.

In 1597, Francisco de Cardona was living in San Luis Potosí, when Alonso Jiménez sold him and Juan de Armas 28 mules. Both he and Juan de Armas are said to be arrieros (mule skinners). Note: I believe this is the same Juan de Armas who married his sister, Leonor de Cardona (and who are parents of Leonor de Armas y Cardona, wife of Pedro de Vargas Moriano); after the death of Leonor de Cardona, Juan de Armas married Leonor de la Vega Cortés, on 15 Feb 1616 in San Luis Potosí.

On 13 Apr 1602, in San Luis Potosí, Francisco de Cardona filed a civil suit against miner Juan del Valle, who had hired him to haul silver from his mines to his shop, and who still owed him 238 pesos.

Presented on 12 Nov 1603, was a map of a proposed town, “located 4 leagues from the mines of Nuestra Señora de la Concepción de Sierra de Pinos,” showing the layout of the town, with streets, a plaza mayor, and lots assigned to individuals. One of the lots was assigned to Francisco de Cardona.

On 05 Feb 1604, in San Luis Potosí, Francisco de Cardona, now the owner of a requa, or a pack train, sold 60 mules to Juan de Llamas, at 30 pesos per head. 60 mules seems like an entire fleet, so apparently, Francisco was getting out of the freight business, and my guess, reinvesting in mineral prospecting. His leap of faith paid off, because on 15 May 1604, he filed claims on no less than 11 mines, located in the Nuevo Descubrimiento del Peñón Blanco.

On 18 Jun 1604, in San Luis Potosí, Francisco de Cardona appeared as a witness in a civil suit between María de Espina and Alonso Carrillo. He gave his age as 35, placing his birth around 1569.

Hola prim@s,

Hi my name is Stephanie Mendoza-Terrell,
I am looking for any information about my great-grandmother Jacinta Balcorta (Balcarte). She was married to a Pablo Sanchez from Zacatecas, most likely Tepetongo. I believe they were married in Zacatecas but I am not sure. All we know of Jacinta Balcorta was that she died when my grandmother was very young so she does not remember her mother. Jacinta was born in Mexico and married Pablo in Mexico but I don’t know where. They arrived in Los Angeles, Ca in 1905. I believe she was born sometime between 1872-1876.
Pablo Sanchez was born in 1872-1876. His father was Dario Sanchez and his mother was Elena Tinajero.

If anyone has any information please contact me.

Hello Betty Ritchley
I have a first cousin who is directly related to Nicolas Tranquilino Jauregui married to Agustina de Guadalupe Corona. If you want to compare notes please write me at hartparkangler@ yahoo.com All my research is centered around Nochistlan Zacatecas.