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I thought I had moved myself to the new list but my name isn't on the
list. Did I not complete the move, do it correctly, or was I sleep-
computing?

Linda Romero

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Do folks have an idea who is going to go to the SLC trip in October?



Josie has worked hard to get you information and it would be great if
you gave that trip a serious look if you are thinking you might go. I
for one will not be going as much as I would like to go.



If you think you might be going there is the matter of choosing a topic
for Professor George Ryskamp to speak on during that special session of
the seminar. If I was going I would love to hear a whole session on
nothing more than the Notario Records and how to get
a little better handle on how to research them.



So what do you all think?



joseph

The following ranchos poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: From time to time people not from our geographical area express intereste in Ranchos. Here is my answer:

[[[[[maybe there is a misunderstanding. we are focused on the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes. I don't understand why you would be interested in this group? Now if you "THINK" that you might have ties to this area then I'll subscribe you for a 1 year temporary membership that we'll reconsider renewing next year depending on how much you've discovered about your Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or Aguascalientes roots or should I say tried to discover.
is this what you'd like to do?]]]]]

Do you agree with this? Or should I make special exceptions for those "high quality" researchers that express interest in the group?

I'm torn between being "fair" to all and the possible benefit to "all" from letting a top researcher into the group.

what do you all think?

So far all of our polls have been invalid for lack of participation. IF this one is to be valid I'll need 50% of you to weigh in so I can tip the balance. It'd be best if 52% of you weighed in on one side so my vote wouldn't be the deciding factor.

joseph

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Be Fair to all and restrict membership, 6 votes, 23.08%
- Don't restrict we can learn a lot from others, 7 votes, 26.92%
- Do like you're doing, 13 votes, 50.00%
- hijola, good question holmes!, 0 votes, 0.00%

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I just watched an old move about Pizzaro and Adawalpa that seems to
roughly follow historical accounts:

"The Royal Hunt of the Sun"

old but okay,

joseph

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Hi Group, just sharing some info on an HBO special if
you are interested. I grew up during the 60's and
70's and remember this event. In my teen years I was
a little bit of an activist and we had somewhat of
this same type of event where kids walked-out of
school, except we did this on Sept. 16th.

It premiered this evening but will be on again March
21st 9:00 p.m., just check your HBO listing for the
schedule.

Carol

From HBO films:

"A film with a powerful message that resonates 38
years after the events it depicts occurred, Walkout is
the stirring true story of the Chicano students of
East LA, who in 1968 staged several dramatic walkouts
in their high schools to protest academic prejudice
and dire school conditions. Aided by a popular and
progressive young teacher, Sal Castro, Paula
Crisostomo and a group of young Chicano activists
battle parents, teachers, bureaucrats, the police and
public opinion to make their point. Along the way, the
students learn profound lessons about embracing their
own identity and standing up for what they believe in.
Set in 1968, a tumultuous year that shook America to
its foundation, Walkout is a vivid reminder that
people can change the world."

This is the link:

http://www.hbo.com/films/walkout

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I know this is very late notice -- unless someone already posted the
information and I just missed it.

There will be a Hispanic Family History Seminar at the 5900 Grand Avenue,
Riverside, on Saturday, March 18, 2006.

Featured presenters will include Dr. George Ryskamp of the BYU Center for
Family History and Genealogy and graduate students from the center.

The seminar will begin at 9:30 a.m. and will conclude at 5 p.m. Lunch will
be served. A donation of $5 per person is requested.

Classes will include "How to Begin," "How to Use Civil and Parish
Registers," Immigration Records," and "Spanish, Portuguese, and Latin
American Archives."

Additional classes are "Helping Latin Americans in the Fmaily History
Center," "How to Find the Location of Your Ancestors and Their Records," and
"How to Use the Personal Ancestral File."

Courses will be available in English and Spanish.

~Deena Ortiz~
drortiz@charter.net (new address)

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I belong to many different forums and groups for many different names
and areas. If I could find a group which specialized in Jalisco,
Guadalahara, Tepatitlan de Morelos I would be happy. I'm selfish.
I'm looking in this area. I only want to find information about this
area in this group. I belong to other Mexican research groups and
only want information about those areas from them. So I guess you
could put my vote down to keep it more localized. A broad Mexican
research forum already exists. I'll look there when I need to
broaden my research.

I like it the way it is.

Linda

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Great stuff about the Maya:

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/archeology.html

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I have now added the film database to the new Nuestros Ranchos website.

The functionality is still in the works. Users cannot yet add films to the database themselves, but that functionality is on its way... I will try to get to it this weekend.

However, I wanted to get people to try the database as it stands now and give me some feedback.

You will notice that for the films where we have batch numbers, you can simply click on the IGI button and the entire contents of that film available on IGI will come up. You can then refine the search however you like, such as putting in a father's first name or a mother's last name, etc.

As Victor had mentioned, if you are searching on a batch specific basis you can basically enter as little information as you want... so if you have a rough idea of when and where someone was born or married you can search through a couple of batches with very little information and find the person even if the name is misspelled, etc.

Please give it a try and let me know what you think as well as what additional functionalities you would like from this film database. I cannot promise anything but I will try to meet your needs.

Joseph:

I see it is 3 am... I have not yet gone to sleep since I do not work
tomorrow and usually stay up late.

What are you doing up so early/late? Did you just wake up?

What do you think of the film functionality and the tweaking with the
text colors that I did?

======================

wow how did you do this? this is a great tool. If we can get the other
films tied into this that would be great, then again it must be a
tremendous amount of work.

This is a fabulous feature. Everyone should have a look at the "films"
database at the top of the Nuestros Ranchos website.

Thanks Arturo, you are making the group much much better than what it
was before. Thanks for all your effort on our behalf.

joseph

ps: the colors are hmmm, okay, with one tiny exception that wouldn't
matter if it never gets changed. the color difference here is so small
that members might not notice this is a hyperlink:

Filename/Title Size
MacedonioLunaLopez.rtf
62.85 KB
PaulaGonzalezTorre.rtf
99.72 KB

Posted in Members' Genealogy
34 reads

Submitted by euler2luna on 11
March, 2006 - 7:11pm.

[[[[[[[[[[NOTE: Actually it looks different here than on the site, but
the euler2luna blends right in with the "Submitted by. . ." color.
Strictly backburner stuff]]]]]]]]]]]

Joseph et al:

Yes, the first two documents are at the Library of Congress. I have had a chance to look at them and have been able to build some pretty complex genealogies from the information in those volumes for a groups of families (Escobedos and Covarrubias) going back to the 1400s. They actually have a great deal of indigenous names in them as well...

=====================
From: Joseph Puentes
Date: Tue Mar 14 14:14:39 CST 2006
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bibliography for 16th Century New Galicia

Wow Arturo thanks, There appears to be a wealth of bibliographical
references in this document. Enough to keep someone busy for awhile.

are the first two volumes at the Library of Congress?

joseph

Joseph:

I see it is 3 am... I have not yet gone to sleep since I do not work
tomorrow and usually stay up late.

What are you doing up so early/late? Did you just wake up?

What do you think of the film functionality and the tweaking with the
text colors that I did?

======================

wow how did you do this? this is a great tool. If we can get the other
films tied into this that would be great, then again it must be a
tremendous amount of work.

This is a fabulous feature. Everyone should have a look at the "films"
database at the top of the Nuestros Ranchos website.

Thanks Arturo, you are making the group much much better than what it
was before. Thanks for all your effort on our behalf.

joseph

ps: the colors are hmmm, okay, with one tiny exception that wouldn't
matter if it never gets changed. the color difference here is so small
that members might not notice this is a hyperlink:

Filename/Title Size
MacedonioLunaLopez.rtf
62.85 KB
PaulaGonzalezTorre.rtf
99.72 KB

Posted in Members' Genealogy
34 reads

Submitted by euler2luna on 11
March, 2006 - 7:11pm.

[[[[[[[[[[NOTE: Actually it looks different here than on the site, but
the euler2luna blends right in with the "Submitted by. . ." color.
Strictly backburner stuff]]]]]]]]]]]

I want to thank you Francisco, Arturo, Esperanza, and Elvira Z for your
suggestions about Birria. I may have to have a trial run. Most of my
guests will be of the 'gringo' persuasion (and some members of my
family are verrry picky about what they eat - what's a mother to do??).
Thanks you so much for insights and ideas.

Natalie in VA

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For your information, if you haven't read the latest on this project, I'm forwarding a message posted yesterday at the genealogia.org.mx group:

On 3/16/06, Administrador - Genealogia.org.mx wrote:

Unlocking the Vault: Conversion to Digital Records is Progressing
By Brittany Karford, Church Magazines
http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,40-1-3384-9,00.html

Members may not have to wonder what lies behind the 14-ton vault door
at the Church's Granite Mountain Vault Records (GMVR) facility for much
longer. In as little as 10 years, much of its genealogical collection
may be at their fingertips.

The billions of names preserved on microfilmed records at the vault are
being converted to digital images that can eventually be viewed online
at FamilySearch.org and ultimately searched in and linked to an online
index. The process of digitizing the microfilm is now faster than ever
through a "bleeding edge" technology system called FamilySearch™
Scanning.

"I call it unlocking the vault," says Heath Nielson, the
program's lead software engineer. "I cannot wait for the day when
accessibility to these records becomes available to all."

When that day comes, the records will be available to everyone, both
Latter-day Saints and the public-"God's children
everywhere"-according to the project team. And for those
researching family history under either title, it will mean no more
microfilm, and no more eyes strained from looking at film under dim
light.

The vision, says Brent Thompson, director of records preservation, is
that in the future members in Lima, Peru, who now wait up to six or
eight weeks for microfilm, will be able to go to a family history
center or anywhere with Internet access and look at records with the
click of a button.

It is a giant first step toward putting most of the family history
collection of the GMRV online. Online images and indexes of birth,
marriage, and death records from all over the world may altogether
change how family history work is done. Currently, only a minority of
members pursue family history work, but the accessibility enabled
through FamilySearch Scanning will make it simple for anyone with
Internet access to get involved.

Over 50% of the members have retrieved their
passwords. Great. At the end
of March we will be setting everyone's Yahoo
subscription to "No
Mail." This means that if you want to communicate with the group you'll
need to send your email to one of the email lists on the new site,
REMEMBER you need to subscribe to the email lists by logging in and
clicking on "mailing lists" from the right-hand menu. I would
strongly suggest that the other 50% of you go in and get your http://nuestrosranchos.org
password and
subscribe to the 3 email lists by clicking “mailing lists” on the right-hand
menu. [Note: You cannot
send messages to the new lists unless you have subscribed to them.  You
must
also remember that when
you subscribe to the lists the site will generate a confirmation email
for each
list. When you receive the confirmation email just reply to it to
complete the
confirmation process].

As
a reminder, the directions for the new lists are as follows:

research@nuestrosranchos.org
(for
messages strictly related to genealogical questions and inquiries)

general@nuestrosranchos.org
(for messages of a historical general nature or of the culture of the
region)

announce@nuestrosranchos.org
(for announcements or messages related to events of interest to group
members)

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I was googling around looking for info on the boundaries of Nueva
Galicia and came upon this site that I thought some would appreciate:



http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/bevans/



click on some of the links for some nice photographs. Might find the
church your relatives were baptized in.



joseph



ps: as I'm looking I am seeing repeated reference to S. Sinaloa. . .is
this considered part of Nueva Galicia also?



Nueva Galicia (nwā`vä gälē`syä),
Spanish colonial administrative region, W Mexico, comprising roughly
the present states of Jalisco and Nayarit with S Sinaloa. Conquered
(1529–31) by Nuño de Guzmán Guzmán, Nuño de (n`nyō thā g

and later governed by Francisco Vásquez de Coronado, the
territory was the scene of the Mixtón War  in
1541. In 1548 it was given its own audiencia at Guadalajara. Nominally
subject to the viceroy of New Spain, it was essentially a separate
administration controlled from Spain, and it came to be known after the
creation (1563) of a presidential office of its own as the presidency
of Nueva Galicia. Its independent character, however, declined as in
the colonial era authority was more and more centralized in Mexico City.



some other related sites:



http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/nayarit/html/sec_23.html

http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/nayarit/html/sec_32.html



==============



Also I saw a reference to San Luis Potosi being included??????



http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/bevans/Art454L-49-Jalisco/F00001.html

Elvira and Josie sent me this email. I thought I'd pass it onto the
group. We touched this subject awhile back and I wish there was someway
we could see how much progress they are making. I'd also love to know
when they will have Jalisco and Zacatecas and Aguascalientes done!



I know there is a search engine for the things they have finished. Have
a look and check it every so often to see if they have updates:



http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/ [try putting Mexico into the search engine.
. .toward the end of the 57 hits you get some New Mexico families]



joseph





-------- Original Message --------

For your information in case you havent' received it yet. 

Elvira

A couple of weeks ago there was a discussion of a "Nuestra Vida
Project". What is the current status of this project? Is this
something that is only found on the Nuestros Ranchos site?

I am curious because I am actually looking for information on the
preparation of Birria (a kind of goat stew, although I think I would
prefer to use lamb). I had it a few times in my youth, but that was
DECADES ago. I am also wondering about preparing lamb on the barbecue
or in a smoker. Does anyone have any experience with this. Birria was
one of my father's favorites, and I noticed on one of the Zacatecas
links to municipalities/districts, that Birria is a specialty of the
Valparaiso area (my father was born in the rural area part of
Valparaiso district). That is the GENEALOGICAL link. Anyway, I was
thinking of fixing it for Easter - so if you have any hints, I would
very much appreciate them. Thanks, or as they say on Latino USA
(NPR) - "gracias por su atencion" (pardon my spelling).
Have a good day - take care.

Natalie in VA
PS - If you have any other suggestions for a Mexican-themed Easter
menu, please share. -ncc

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Okay folks I've been privately sending you one of the following form letters. I'm very disappointed
that those that have received the private email have not been replying with your decision I really 
really want you to make a choice and email me PRIVATELY at makas@nc.rr.com with your decision.
If you have received one of these emails I want you to reply it and tell me PRIVATELY at makas@nc.rr.com
what you want to do. If you are busy just choose option #2. It takes a second to
email me PRIVATELY at makas@nc.rr.com with the answers to a) - f) which is the information
below that I need to move you overb successfully to the new site. 

THE YAHOO GROUP WILL (WILL) BE CLOSING AND WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON THE TRANSITION. 

So if you are busy just choose #2 and send me the requested info. But please chose, un ayuda por favor!!!

joseph

==========================


Please choose one:

1) I'll try to move myself to the new list. . .give me some time and 
I'll get back to you if unsuccessful

or

2) please move me


IF you choose number #2 here is what I need from you:

a) Your name like you'd like on your File folder

b) The email address you are currently subscribed to in Yahoo

c) Your Yahoo UserName/ID  not. . .not your password

d) Areas of research---give me the Ranchos and the Cabezera's for each 
Rancho.

e) Surnames of research

f) any additional files you want uploaded to your folder

==============================================

Escoja por favor uno:

1) Trataré de moverme a la lista nueva. . .deme algún tiempo y yo 
volveré si tengo problemas

O

2) Muévame por favor

SI usted escoge el número #2 aquí está lo que necesito de usted:

a) Su nombre como usted querría en su carpeta del Archivo

b) La dirección correo electrónico que usted es se abona actualmente a 
en Yahoo

c) Su Nombre del Usuario de Yahoo no su contraseña

d) Las áreas de investigación me dan el Ranchos y el Cabezera son para 
cada Rancho

e) Los apellidos de investigación

f) algún archivo adicional usted quiere cargado a su carpeta

I have made birria before under the guidance of one of my friends.  It
is a very long process, but worth the effort.
 
If I remember correctly, you should go to get your goat (a young one is
best) as fresh as you possibly can get from a butcher (I went to a Greek butcher
and actually picked it out).
 
You bring it home, cut it up, boil it with salt and bay leaves. When it is
done, you place it in the fridge for cooling along with the broth.  The
broth gets really greasy, so the next day, you scrape up the grease and throw it
away.
 
For the sauce, you will need the following:
fresh tomatoes
mexican oregano
salt
black pepper (whole ones)
garlic
onions
some of the broth from the cooked birria
 
Cook the tomatoes, saute the onions and place in blender with the
broth.  Add the spices.
 
Then place the cooked birria in a pan and add the sauce (reserve some of
the sauce to place on top of cooked birria when serving).  Place in the
oven, garnishing it with fresh onions.  Let it heat up thoroughly and serve
with frijoles de la olla.
 
The "salsa" should be made with the same spices - I use chile de arbol
or the smaller chile (pequin?) with some vinegar and tomatoes.
 
I know I didn't give you the exact measurements (because I just
"eyeball it") - but when you find a recipe, try to keep what I use in
mind.  It is really delicious and worth the effort/time.
 
Esperanza
 
 

No te apures par que dures.
Don't worry so you can have a long life.
 
No te metas porque te ensoquetas
Don't go in the "mud" because you will get muddy.
 
No te aguites para que pites
Don't be down, so you can be boisterous.
 
El nino que no llora no come
The child that doesn't cry doesn't eat.
 
Esperanza

I just signed up for my new password so I can navigate this new website, and I find that I can barely read even this as I type it. Could the fonts be larger and bolder? When the messages come through the Yahoo Groups website I can read everything well, but I am really having trouble reading on this website. I am also having trouble understanding the menu of forum topics. Will there be a long list of forum topics to navigate through to find something we want to re-read? I had to submit a forum topic for this message and I couldn't find a forum that seemed appropriate for it.

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

I have uploaded, in the books and articles files section of the new site, the bibliography of "Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano Siglo XVI" being published by the Universidad Autonoma de Zacatecas. The series is authored by José Enciso Contreras and Thomas Hillerkuss.

The attached file is the bibliography of published works that they have used as sources to compile their diccionary. It is a rather exhaustive list of authoritative published works on the early history of Nueva Galicia and the people who lived in the region in the 16th Century.

The first two volumes (with names beginning in A-C and D-G) have already been published and the third volume is shortly forthcoming.

Have a listen to the Chicken Soup for the Latin Soul podcast which is
linked to on the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast. I have recently added
shows #6 and #7 to the list. Listen to #7 and at the very end Susan
Sánchez-Casal gives the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast a great
recommendation:



http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/oral_history.html



===> Podcast #1 - Introduction, reading of poem "University
Avenue" by Pat Mora




===> Podcast #2 - Marie Delgado Travis reads "Abolengo"




===> Podcast #3 - Anjela Villarreal Ratliff reads "In My
Classroom"




===> Podcast #4 - Norma Oquendo reads "I'll Always Remember
You"




===> Podcast #5 - Kathy Cano Murillo reads "Dad, The Rock
Star of Tamale Makers"




===> Podcast #6 - Marie Delgado Travis reads "Me and Don
Paco"




===> Podcast #7 - Monica Garcia Saenz reads "A Hero's Story"






================



Also have a listen to the History section as there are new links to the
"History According to Bob" podcast and the "En La Historia" podcast:



http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/history.html



"History According to Bob"



===> Click To Hear "Aztec Festivals"



===> Click To Hear "Aztec vs Cortez"



===> Click To Hear "The Requiermiento"



===> Click To Hear "Balboa"

I have uploaded, in the books and articles files section of the new site, the bibliography of "Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano Siglo XVI" being published by the Universidad Autonoma de Zacatecas. The series is authored by José Enciso Contreras and Thomas Hillerkuss.

The attached file is the bibliography of published works that they have used as sources to compile their diccionary. It is a rather exhaustive list of authoritative published works on the early history of Nueva Galicia and the people who lived in the region in the 16th Century.

The first two volumes (with names beginning in A-C and D-G) have already been published and the third volume is shortly forthcoming.