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If this looks familiar please contact: Joseph

Hi 

My name is Anita and I am researching family members from Zacatecas. 
I will post a file in the database with their names. Currently, I am 
researching the the Amaro and Santos families from Carillo or 
Adjuntas Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico.

It's very nice to find this group!

Anita
 
 

If this looks familiar please contact: Joseph Puentes at makas@...
so I can put you in contact with the original poster:

Looking for any relatives or descendants of Manuel Puentes, from San
Juan del Mezquital, Zacatecas, who married Elodia Ortega Ramírez,
possibly born en San Miguel de (El Vergel) ?, Zacatecas.

They had the following children:

1. Ladislada Puentes-Ortega, DOB: abt. June 27, 1887, Rancho El Vergel,
Zacatecas;

2. Alejo (1) Puentes-Ortega;
3. Valeria Puentes-Ortega;
4. Victor Puentes-Ortega;
5. Antonia Puentes-Ortega;
6. Asención Puentes-Ortega;
7. Fabiana Puentes-Ortega; and
8. Ladislado Puentes-Ortega.

Ladislada ( my grandmother) said that all the Ramirez and the Herradas
from Jaralillo, Zacatecas were her cousins. Jaralillo is close to
Cañitas de Felipe Pescador and San Isidro and El Mezquite. Ladislada
married Jesus Zavala Aguilar (from El Mezquite) in El Tanque Aguilereño,
Coahuila.

Also looking for Elodia Ortega Ramirez, possibly born en San Miguel

if anyone happens to have this film and you are at your FHC sometime in
the next 3 months or so I'd appreciate a look up if possible:

ZENONA MARQUEZ VAZQUEZ  	
  	Female 	  	
	Birth:  	
23 JUN 1874   	
	Christening:  	
28 JUN 1874   	Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, 		
Parents:
  	Father:  	JUAN MARQUEZ 	Family
  	Mother:  	DONACIANA VAZQUEZ 	 			
Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.:
Type:

	K604175  	1873 - 1875  	0221453   	Film  	NONE

thanks,

joseph

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Hi everyone, I've been looking for records at the Family History Center and
this keeps coming up.  I know there is a large city called Fresnillo, but on
the records I see, the place where my family is from during the 1860's is
called Fresnillo de Gonzalez Echeverria.  Is this the same place or is this
the name of the ranch.  On one record, a possible relative (Antonio
Gonsalez) was the parent of Pedro Gonsalez (my great grandfather) and he was
born on Rancho de los Gonsalez.  Does this sound familiar to anyone with
knowledge of the area?  I'm

Hi everyone, I've been looking for records at the Family History Center and
this keeps coming up. I know there is a large city called Fresnillo, but on
the records I see, the place where my family is from during the 1860's is
called Fresnillo de Gonzalez Echeverria. Is this the same place or is this
the name of the ranch. On one record, a possible relative (Antonio
Gonsalez) was the parent of Pedro Gonsalez (my great grandfather) and he was
born on Rancho de los Gonsalez. Does this sound familiar to anyone with
knowledge of the area? I'm trying to pinpoint some locales, because I know
for sure from repeated stories that one of my great grandfathers worked at
La Hacienda Trancoso. When I look at the Zacatecas maps, there seems to be
a couple of places that are near, like Fresnillo (the city), Trancoso (now a
town), and Villa Gonzales (but who knows if this was the later version of
Rancho de Gonsalez). Any of your thoughts or knowledge in these areas would
be very

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>Source:		University Of Wisconsin-Madison
>Date:		2004-06-16
>URL:		http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/06/040616062606.htm
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>
>Ancient Maps And Corn Help Track The Migrations Of Indigenous People
>
>MADISON- Maps are tools to show you where you 
>are going, but they can also show you where you 
>came from. That principle drives the work of 
>Roberto Rodríguez and Patrisia Gonzales, who 
>study ancient maps, oral traditions and the 
>movement of domesticated crops to learn more 
>about the origins of native people in the 
>Americas.
>
>"How do you bring memory back to a people that 
>were told not to remember?"

-----Original Message-----
From: sgapodaca
[mailto:sgapodaca@...]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:08
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re:
Cervantes DNA Surname Project

Hello Angel, I apologize
for not answering your emails right away. I
have been really busy now that
I came back from Mexico. Hey, this DNA
Cervantes project sounds
interesting. Tell me more about it. How much
does it cost to be part of
the project? I believe the expenses are
probably worth it if we are going
to know more about our ancestors.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com,
"Angel R. Cervantes"
wrote:
> I would
like to invite viewers of the Ranchos forum
> with the Cervantes surname
from

Hello Angel, I apologize for not answering your emails right away. I 
have been really busy now that I came back from Mexico. Hey, this DNA 
Cervantes project sounds interesting. Tell me more about it. How much 
does it cost to be part of the project? I believe the expenses are 
probably worth it if we are going to know more about our ancestors.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Angel R. Cervantes" 
 wrote:
> I would like to invite viewers of the Ranchos forum
> with the Cervantes surname from Mexico to join the
> Cervantes DNA Surname Project at
> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?
code=L97208&special=True
> 
> The Cervantes surname in Mexico has its roots as far
> back as the early 16th Century. You have two
> important individuals with this surname.
> 
> The first one is Leonel de Cervantes, he came with
> Hernan Cortes in the conquest of Mexico in 1521.
> Leonel de Cervantes was born in Burguillos del Cerro,
> Spain and was a member of a noble

That's right. During my research of documents of the beginning of the 
19th century I have seen individuals catalogued as "Indios" with no 
last names. Also, it is true what you say about taking the surname of 
a patron, but I have also seen individuals with surnames taken from 
towns in Jalisco, as well as occupations: San Juan, Sayula, Cocula, 
Albanil, etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "marge vallazza"  
wrote:
> When surnames were finally given to the Indios, many of them 
received names such as Juan de Dios or Maria de los Angeles--saints 
names were used as surnames.  Sometimes they also took on the surname 
of the patron of the particular rancho, pueblito, hacienda, casa, 
etc., that they were living at.  Marge Vallazza:)
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: makas@n... 
>   To: LosRanchos ; Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:19 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Indios: Surnames
> 
> 
> 
>   When the Spaniards made converts of

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this might not be the same
town you are looking for but here is one town:

Mezquital del Oro in

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long link might need to be rebuilt in the URL window.

this might not be the same town you are looking for but here is one town:

Mezquital del Oro in the southern section of Zacatecas but not very
close to Jerez or Fresnillo. For more details go to the "links" area of
the group and under maps go to the "Jalisco and Zacatecas Maps" link
which is my homepage. From my home page go to the "Tepechitlan" map and
look due north of Guadalajara and you'll find this same Mezquital del
Oro and right next to Mayahua you see another Mez_____ something town.

have fun,

joseph

Dear Dora,

Thank you for sharing your family history. My grandmother was Felipa
Gonzalez, and her parents names were Antonia Friere and Isidro Pedro
Gonzalez. Antonia and Isidro were from Zacatecas but I don't know which
town. Felipa was born there in 1888, and had several brothers and sisters.
They all moved to Durango because there were terrible threats and fights
over land rights in the 1880's-1890's. My grandfather Luis had to leave
when he was a young boy with his family due to the threats since my great
grandfather was labelled a revolutionary. Both Luis and his brother Gen.
Juan Pablo Gonzalez were in the Mexican Revolution and knew Pancho Villa.
My dad tells me that his uncle Juan Pablo was ambushed in the early 1900s
with the governor of Chihuahua, a second cousin named Abraham Gonzalez. I
am trying to verify all of this as it is oral history in my family, given to
me by my dad who recently passed away at age 90. He loved history and knew
of many people

Dear Marge,

The only person I could check with is my mother and uncle. My
great-grandfather was Leon Gonsalez, who married Julia Hernandez at around
that time, but I don't have an archive on this yet. I plan to see my uncle
who lives in Phoenix next month, he's 87 years old and he may know the name
of his great, great grandfather who would have been born sometime around
1835-1850 in or near Jerez. I will get back to you as I get further into
the research. Josie S.

From: "marge vallazza" 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: 
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Gonsalez, Garcia, Hernandez surnames
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:49:27 -0500

My great-grandfather was a Zenobio/Cenobio Gonzalez born c. 1844 in Jerez
to Prudencio Gonzalez and Severiana Salcedo. His first wife, whom he
married in 1862, was Eleuteria Tovar, d/o Mauricio Tobar and Petra
Escobedo-Sandobal. His second wife, whom I descend from, was Ma. Francisca
Saldivar. Severiana

Dear Ranchos members,

I am a new, recently added member and if I have taken undue time to
introduce myself, please accept my apologies. My family surnames are in
this order, Gonsalez, Garcia and great-grandmother's name Hernandez. We
were from Zacatecas, near Jerez, and from long-standing oral history in my
family, my grandfather lived at La Hacienda de Trancoso, near Fresnillo. I
have requested the baptismal certificate of my grandfather, Luis Gonsalez,
born in 1868, with record submitted to the catholic parish of La
Purificacion in Fresnillo. My father told me that his grandmother, Julia
Hernandez was 6 years old and came with her father from Spain to be one of
the hacienda administrators---it looks like they had several administrators
as the hacienda was large and prosperous. Two of her sisters were born in
Jerez, and they married wealthy men. The story goes that because she
married a ranchero, she was looked down on by her sisters. My dad told me
his sister went