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i have a miguel martin married to efigenia de lira several children were born to them such as bernardino, lucas, bernabe rosa and or lugarda martin. all children were baptized around cinega de mata, mexico searching for parents of miguel martin and i think his birthdate is around 1700 roughly as marriage for him stated it was in 1790 in cinega de mata, mexico. i found a record for the time period and would like to know if this is him ?https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…~

Hello,
I am looking for any information about this hacienda. It seems it was a large on in Aguascalientes,Jalisco. The people had to travel to Cienega de Mata to register births, marriages, and deaths. I would like to learn more about this hacienda and it's people/workers. Does anyone know where I can look for this information? I would really appreciate it.

Estoy buscando informacion sobre la Hacienda de la Punta. Si alguien me puede ayudar en donde puede ver la vida y las personas que Vivian alli. Te lo agradezco.

Virginia

my search so far has taken me to the 9th great grandparents of me known as francisco de lira and or barbara perez. their daughter was efigenia de lira who had been born roughly 1702 and was baptized: Cinega De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. she had married my bernandino martin and had known children names such as lucas, bernabe or lugarda martin. still having hard time trying to find out anything about bernandino martins parents who was a miguel martin. a marriage record was found concerning miguel martins marriage as 1719 in cinega mexico. dna matches me to perez sanchez and many other names associated to me. where can i go to find older records as im stuck in some areas ? thanks and god bless stephanie

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

Can anyone help read this record?

I read Diego mason de rutia cc Maria de Sotomayor parents of
Joan born 2 July 1602

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG2L-1BS

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

i have a question about Luisa de Villegas that is married to Pedro macias
valadez. i'm trying to find out who her parents are and ive seen on
Nuestros Ranchos that there are posts that say she's the daughter of
Francisco Solano de Villegas Calderon and Francisca jimenez Altamirano. Ive
also seen trees that say that but i never seen a record that shows that and
im just trying to see if there is some record that says that.

Danny C. Alonso

Alguien tiene informacion, referencias o tips sobre la Hacienda de San Jose del Maguey en Fresnillo 1800-1850? listas de pobladores o trabajadores o su historia, DONDE CONSULTAR.
Gracias
Humberto Pro
frio@prodigy.net.mx

Hello,
I am new to this site. Doing research on my great grandmother and her family from Aguascalientes area. My grandfather was born at a place called Hacienda de la Punta to an Apolonio Gallardo and Magdalena Victorino Rico. Does anyone know if this place still exists? I would love to visit if it does. His birth was registered at Cienega de Mata.
Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Virginia

HOLA COMPAÑEROS

En la búsqueda de mis ancestros, encontré en family search a esta persona MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES, quien seria como mi 11 abuela en varias ocasiones le han cambiado la madre.

según la madre se llama MARÍA MANUELA CORTES DE MOCTEZUMA. Hija de ISABEL MOCTEZUMA I Y HERNAN CORTEZ.

Busco mas datos en la historia sobre estos personajes y no encuentro.

Alguien que me pueda ayudar a descifrar por donde investigar esto.

https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LVQC-SV6/details?parents=L6DG-FLT_…

HOLA COMPAÑEROS

En la búsqueda de mis ancestros, encontré en family search a esta persona MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES, quien seria como mi 11 abuela en varias ocasiones le han cambiado la madre.

según la madre se llama MARÍA MANUELA CORTES DE MOCTEZUMA. Hija de ISABEL MOCTEZUMA I Y HERNAN CORTEZ.

Busco mas datos en la historia sobre estos personajes y no encuentro.

Alguien que me pueda ayudar a descifrar por donde investigar esto.

https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LVQC-SV6/details?parents=L6DG-FLT_…

When a marriage record say this "Ambos dispensados por el Sr. Provisor en este Obispado en la nominacion conciliar" Does it mean that there is a marriage dispensation?

Tengo esta información sobre Petronila:

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Source: http://gw.geneanet.org/mfdelaf?lang=en&p=francisca+ana&n=gabay

http://gw.geneanet.org/jeandelage1?lang=en&p=petronila&n=arias+de+valde…

From the book Moctezuma's Descendants in in Aguascalientes:

"In addition to locating the baptism of Ana in 1553, we discovered a 1594 marriage document from the Archdiocese of Mexico City which provides the following information: "X'poval [Christobal] Sotelo Valderrama natural de esta ciudad hijo legitimo de Diego Arias Sotelo y Don Leonor ---- [unreadable] - difuntos [deceased]." Christoval was the brother of Petronila Sotelo alias Petronila Moctezuma, who represents the next generation of this family."

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Parece que mis hijos tambien son decendientes. Sus ancestros son, en su mayoría, del estado de Aguascalientes. Tenemos el BigY de dos de mis nietos, y FamilyFinder para ellos, una sobrina nieta mia, y mi nieta (hija de mi hija), todos de la misma familia. Disafortunadamente, las líneas maternales de ellas no son de México. Sería interesante comparar…

GedMatch:

T894954

T228105

T755319

T615792

GENERATION 4: PETRONILLA MOCTEZUMA (born 1552)

PETRONILA SOTELO MOCTEZUMA was probably born around 1552 in Mexico City. It is believed that in 1571 she was married to MARTIN GABAI DE NAVARRO, also known as MARTIN NABARRO. A marriage of Petronila and Martin has not been located yet, however, they were referenced several times as an ancestral married couple "Martin Nabarro" and "Petronila Montesuma" in a 1703 Diocese of Guadalajara informacion matrimonio document for a marriage that took place in Nochistlán. The known children of Petronila Sotelo (alias Moctezuma) and of Martin Gabai de Navarro are shown below:

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Alguien me podría decir donde es Arroyo SECO, actualmente en Teocaltiche.

Hay manera de comparar DNA? Se supone que mis 3 nietos y una sobrina nieta son descendientes de Moctezuma por medio de mi marido, pero hace muchas generaciones, desde luego...

FTDNA

703926 21277 609379 521437

GedMatch

T894954 T228105 T755319 T615792

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Im researching-Torres, Valencia, Del Toro in JIlotlan de los Dolores Jalisco but I can't seem to find records before 1800. Is there another place where I should be looking instead. Is anyone else in this group researching I in that area of Jalisco?

Thanks

Aaron Torres

Nota completa sobre el libro "México insólito en Europa" de Miguel Gleason:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/cultura/2017/04/5/investigador-h…

VN

Saludos Primos! My Name Is Aaron Torres, I live out In Washington State. I am researching on my fathers side Torres Ramos and Cisneros Velasquez from Mazamitla or Valle De Juarez(Valle De Mazamitla). Also on my fathers side I have Valencia, Zepeda, Mendoza from Cotja De la Paz.heres some of the information that I have. I can’t seem to find records dating back before 1800 in Mazamitla or Cotija.

1. Francisco Torres; born abt.1795 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; He Married Maria Carmen Ramos probably around 1825-1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico. She probably died around 1890-1895 in Aguililla, Michoacan.

2. Children of Francisco and Maria Carmen are:

3. i. Vicente Torres born abt. 1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; died 1898 in Aguililla, Jalisco.

4. ii. Agapito Torres born abt. 1843 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1909 in Coalcoman ,Michoacan:Married Maria Cisneros married abt 1867-1870; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

5. iii. Crecencio Torres born abt.1836 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; Married Trinidad Cisneros;daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez;had a son Lorenzo Torres baptized in 1866 in Mazamitla, Jalisco

Baptism record for Lorenso
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GT9K-JT

6. iv. Felipe Torres born abt.1845 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1896 in Aguililla, Michaocan: Married Eusebia Cisneros; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

Guadalupe Sisneros and Ramona Velasquez also had a son named Manuel(I know this from my 85 year old great uncle) found a record of him being born 1852 but the mother being Ramona Velasco. And a Felipe Torres and Carmen Ramos as padrinos. Found a marriage record on a Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velasco not sure if it the same familiy.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTF9-D?i=127&cc=1874591
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5M98-G3?cc=1874591

This is as far back back as I could go on Torres and Cisneros families, I can’t find anymore information on them.

For the Valencia side from Cotija

I had found a personality of our pueblo of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

http://oi64.tinypic.com/jg6zyu.jpg

Original source is on top left:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FS3M-H7?i=9&wc=3JHM-HZ9%3A…

A defunto record of Capitan Juan Sebastian Orenday (Orendain) year 1727. It seems like he was the Capitan Protector of our pueblo Huejuquilla El Alto.

I have tried to look for information on him in the PARS archives and can't find any.

Do any of you out there have any information on him that you can share with me because I want to keep a track of personalities of history of our pueblo and region. Thank you.

Saludos Primos! My Name Is Aaron Torres, I live out In Washington State. I am researching on my fathers side Torres Ramos and Cisneros Velasquez from Mazamitla or Valle De Juarez(Valle De Mazamitla). Also on my fathers side I have Valencia, Zepeda, Mendoza from Cotja De la Paz.heres some of the information that I have. I can’t seem to find records dating back before 1800 in Mazamitla or Cotija.

1. Francisco Torres; born abt.1795 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; He Married Maria Carmen Ramos probably around 1825-1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico. She probably died around 1890-1895 in Aguililla, Michoacan.

2. Children of Francisco and Maria Carmen are:

3. i. Vicente Torres born abt. 1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; died 1898 in Aguililla, Jalisco.

4. ii. Agapito Torres born abt. 1843 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1909 in Coalcoman ,Michoacan:Married Maria Cisneros married abt 1867-1870; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

5. iii. Crecencio Torres born abt.1836 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; Married Trinidad Cisneros;daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez;had a son Lorenzo Torres baptized in 1866 in Mazamitla, Jalisco

Baptism record for Lorenso
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GT9K-JT

6. iv. Felipe Torres born abt.1845 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1896 in Aguililla, Michaocan: Married Eusebia Cisneros; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

Guadalupe Sisneros and Ramona Velasquez also had a son named Manuel(I know this from my 85 year old great uncle) found a record of him being born 1852 but the mother being Ramona Velasco. And a Felipe Torres and Carmen Ramos as padrinos. Found a marriage record on a Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velasco not sure if it the same familiy.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTF9-D?i=127&cc=1874591
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5M98-G3?cc=1874591

This is as far back back as I could go on Torres and Cisneros families, I can’t find anymore information on them.

For the Valencia side from Cotija

Mr. Clark,

Juan Moscoso y Sandoval is an Ancestor mine. I dont have Baltasar Moscos y
Sandoval in my records can you tell me who he was married to so I can add
him to my tree

Danny C. Alonso

Hello,
I'm hoping someone is related to the Covarrubias family from Cañadas , Jalisco. Or has knowledge of where they are originally from. Especially related to Jose Maria Covarrubias and Tecla Gomez from the 1800's. thanks !

Domingo Perez and Juana de Alva got Married in Aguascalientes on July 24,1707 some of my researchthey had a Daughter born 1720 in Teocaltiche also a son Calletano Perez born about 1735. Calletano Perez Married Maria Ynes Garcia Romo born abt 1725. then on july 10 1754 Married Maria magdalena Chavez her and Calletano had a son Andres Perez born 1770 Arroyo Seco and died 1, January 1830 in Arroyo Seco. Andres Peres was Married to Maria Luisa Villalpand.my question is anyone related to them or have info on them thanks.

Hola a todos.

Estoy investigando si José Guerra Valadéz cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño el 27 de mayo de 1703 en Lagos es el mismo que José Guerra Valadéz cc Águeda Díaz del Castillo, del cual no tengo fecha de matrimonio, pero si la Fe de Bautismo de su hijo Manuel Jacinto Guerra Valadéz (B. 03 sep 1721 Santa María de los Lagos).
Por las fechas es muy probable sean la misma persona, pero no tengo documento que lo compruebe.

Por su parte, entre la descendencia de José Guerra Valadéz y Águeda Díaz del Castillo se encuentran los famosos sacerdotes:
- Pbtro. Miguel Leandro Guerra (B. 01 marzo 1769 Lagos), nieto.
- Primero Obispo de Zacatecas Ignacio Mateo Guerra y Alba (B. 27 sep 1804 Encarnación), bisnieto.
- Segundo Obispo de Zacatecas José María del Refugio Guerra y Alba, bisnieto.

En cambio, la ascendencia de José Guerra Valadéz cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño es la famosa familia Macías-Valadéz:
- Padres: Alonso Guerra Valadéz e Inés Rodríguez Gallardo.
- Abuelos: Mateo Macías Valadéz Retamosa y Catalina Guerra López de Nava.
- Bisabuelos: Nicolás Macías Valadéz y Leonor Vázquez Retamosa.

Me encantaría tener la información y los documentos que comprueben que ambas líneas son la misma.

Saludos.

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Hello to everyone.

I am searching if Jose Guerra Valadez cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño at may 27 of 1703,Lagos, is the same one as José Guerra Valadéz cc Águeda Díaz del Castillo, couple from wich I don´t have marreige date. However I do have the chistening of their son Manuel Jacinto Guerra Valadéz (sep 03 1721 Santa María de los Lagos).

It is highly probable that both Jose are the same person, due to the dates, however I don´t have any documento that proves it.

By the way, between the descendants of José Guerra Valadéz and Águeda Díaz del Castillo are the famous priests:
- Pbtro. Miguel Leandro Guerra (B. march 01 1769 Lagos), grandson.
- Zacatecas first Bishop Ignacio Mateo Guerra y Alba (sep 27 1804 Encarnación), great grandson.
- Zacatecas second bishop José María del Refugio Guerra y Alba, grandson.

Instead, the ancestry of José Guerra Valadéz cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño is the famous family Macías-Valadéz:
- Parents: Alonso Guerra Valadéz and Inés Rodríguez Gallardo.
- Grandparents: Mateo Macías Valadéz Retamosa and Catalina Guerra López de Nava.
- Great grandparents: Nicolás Macías Valadéz and Leonor Vázquez Retamosa.