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Oh what a photos exposition I went trough! Some tears it cost me. What 
a treasure! Cameras are time machines, the images are frozen but they 
rock and roll a world inside of us, innocent expectators, I traveled 
in the company of unknown people, but maybe it is the influence of the 
feeling "belonging to a group", but felt them like family. It is true 
then "nobody dies until it is forgotten". My mom past the way fiftheen 
years ago and she is so around me, when I see her in photos she is so 
photografed!   Leticia Leon Morales

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> >
> http://www.historynothype.com/deaddialog.htm
> 
> DIALOG of the DEAD--An Interactive One-Act Play
> By
> Rubén Sálaz Márquez
> 
> © Copyright 2005 by Rubén D. Sálaz
> 
>  Dramatis Personae
> 
> Narrator (female), Chicano, Above-It-All, María (female), Latino, 
> Immigrant (female), Hispano.
> 
> Heckler, Policeman, Immigration Officer (female), Army Soldier,
Sheriff, FBI Agent. Two male stage hands.
> 
> Dual roles:  Heckler/Sheriff; Policeman/Stagehand.
> 
> Scene:  The stage is dark and bare except for the Narrator standing 
> behind an upstage, brightly spotlighted (overhead) podium. 

Joseph,

That play sure is thought provoking.  By personifiying the prevalent
views of different segments of American society in an imaginary (but
realistic) debate, the first reaction from the spectator (or reader)
may be to identify with one of the characters in the play.  

But by the way the author chooses to end all, he's

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From: ranchos@...om
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Ramos
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:56 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: double
surnames

Erlinda:

The whole Chicano vs.

Erlinda:

The whole Chicano vs. Mexican-American vs. Latin@ vs. Hispanic debate 
is a very contentious one in the United States.  I think that all of 
those terms are very politically laden such that there is no single 
one that everyone would agree with.  There is an interesting episode 
where the renowned author Sandra Cisneros balked at being featured in 
Hispanic magazine because of such a disagreement.  She agreed only 
after the magazine agreed to show her on the cover in a profile shot 
with a fake tatoo reading "LATINA" across her arm.

There is an interesting article on this:

http://www.hispanicmagazine.com/2000/dec/Features/latino.html

I suppose that if you want to designate descendancy from peoples of 
Mexico, Mexican or Mexican-American would be the most precise.  I 
will leave my commentary at that lest I get myself in trouble.

Interesting thing though, I have run across documents where the 
indigenous peoples of the area around Colotlan and Totatiche would 
refer to

Joseph, WOW!!!!

What a great format for airing our concerns about who we are as a 
group of people as diverse and any other ethnic group!

My father hates to this day the word "Chicano" because in his younger 
days in California it was used in a very negative, gang style manner.  
To him it's a put down and very militant.  I guess that's how we pick 
up our own racist attitudes, we learn them at home... I still cring 
when someone calls me Chicana.. so much to unlearn and with the help 
of forums like this I'm getting better!

thank you again Joseph
Linda in Everett

I want to thank everyone for the input on double surnames and y versus 
de... I had forgotten that I use a double surname too!  I felt I 
didn't want to give up my Hispanic maiden name so just hyphenated it 
with my married name.  That makes me Castanon-Long, I guess in Latin 
America that would make me Castanon y Long ... I found at the family 
reunion that most of my female cousins from my generation did the 
same.  Many of us did not marry Hispanic but would have kept our 
maiden name regardless. Just like someone said, it's a matter of 
family pride..

One more question.. which is 'politically' correct to designate our 
nationality of origin if we or our ancestors were from Mexico... 
Hispanic, Latino, Mexican-American or American-Mexican?  I find I 
really upset some people when I call myself Hispanic. I'm told that 
excludes my Indio blood... People ask me what my nationality is 
because I'm just brown enough to not be Anglo but have light green 
eyes, my sister get's the same

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
>
> Ed,
> 
> It is probably not the same Diego Pinedo they you speak of, but I was 
> just wondering if you have additional information on this couple.
> 
> Diego PINEDO married to Juana DE ESCOVEDO.  They had at least one 
> daughter, Augustina PINEDO. She married on 15 Sep 1734 in San Luis, 
> Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juan DE AYON, son of Nicolas DE AYON and 
> Petra DE LA MADERA.  This couple had at least five children.
> 
> Thanks,
> Angie
 
Angie,

I unfortunately do not have much information regarding Pinedos. You might ask Arturo 
Ramos who has both Pinedo and Escobedo family ancestors; he already has an amazing 
collection of data.

Ed

Use of the "de" in double surnames.

My wife was a Mexican citizen living in Mexico when I married her.  
Her maiden name was: Isaura Martinez Vallejo.  Martinez was her 
father's last name and Vallejo her mother's.   After we got married 
and she was processing her papers to become a legal resident, her 
name became: Isaura Martinez Vallejo de Gonzalez.  The part "de 
Gonzalez" was added to designate her marriage to a "Gonzalez" That 
is how her name appears on her Green Card and also on her Mexican 
Passport. Once in the United States, she only uses Isaura Gonzalez, 
and that is how it appears on her American Passport and all of her 
legal documents. She is a U.S. Citizen now. 

I lived in Mexico for 10 years and noticed that that was the costum 
( law ? very possible, since that is how it used on official 
documents ) "de" is used like Mrs. is used here.

I believe "de" was also used in a different way when it was part of 
a name of a MALE to designate his place of origin.  Rodrigo

Ed,

It is probably not the same Diego Pinedo they you speak of, but I was 
just wondering if you have additional information on this couple.

Diego PINEDO married to Juana DE ESCOVEDO.  They had at least one 
daughter, Augustina PINEDO. She married on 15 Sep 1734 in San Luis, 
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juan DE AYON, son of Nicolas DE AYON and 
Petra DE LA MADERA.  This couple had at least five children.

Thanks,
Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
> Jessica,
> 
> I have been trying to figure out how to respond to you and to 
Arturo's comments. I agree 
> with what Arturo has said in general. The Valparaiso data is 
indexed well in the Mormon 
> films after about 1880, so it is fairly straight forward after 
those dates; the Internet IGI 
> (familysearch.org data) is another story and is sparse to say the 
least. Before 1880 it is a 
> real crap-shoot, at least for me. My families came in and out of 
the Valparaiso area and I 
> sometimes wonder if

Hello All,

I have added new families to my genealogy over the last year, so I 
decided to update all my files.

Take a look and let me know if you recoginize a name...

Angie Godina


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>
> 
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Hello,

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aajay1073 
 

I too have come across instances in the 1500s and
1600s where some siblings took on the surname of their
father and others, their mother's. I have heard some
of the following explanations to account for this:

1)Perhaps their mother's line was more distinguished,
particularly if she was the daughter or grandaughter
of someone famous;

2)Perhaps their father had committed some crime and
some of his children did not want to be associated
with his name;

3)Perhaps the father's line/surname was associated as
being Sephardic and some children wished to disguise
this fact, particularly when the Inquisition came to
Mexico.

Or perhaps it really was not that big a deal back then
to take on one parent's name over the other. I imagine
for most of the Spanish conquistadores and immigrants,
coming to the New World must have been a fluid time in
terms of identity--it was a rare chance to remake
themselves.

Chris Pineda   

--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Linda:
> 
> I got some