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I'm working on baptism and marriage records for my Gutierrez and
Alvares del Castillo families who lived in
Tamazula Jalisco from
1760's to my grandmothers departer to the states in 1923.  I found
them in Chilchota Michoacan  before that going back to about 1620 or
so including the maternal lines Morfin, Valencia and Lievana. In
this town I've found 3

I'm working on baptism and marriage records for my Gutierrez and 
Alvares del Castillo families who lived in Tamazula Jalisco from 
1760's to my grandmothers departer to the states in 1923.  I found 
them in Chilchota Michoacan  before that going back to about 1620 or 
so including the maternal lines Morfin, Valencia and Lievana. In 
this town I've found 3 different lines of Gutierrez.  Gutierrez de 
Raya, Gutierrez de Robles and just plain Gutierrez, my line with 
intermarriages with the other two Gutierrez families.  My line of 
Gutierrez are Mestiso with the other two being Espanol.

I'm finding in the records facts that I hadn't seen before and was 
wondering if others have encountered them in other states too.  I'm 
find exclavos Espanoles, that was something I had not encountered 
before.  How would a Spaniard end up a slave?  Another finding is 
how many babies were baptised at home by a regular person when they 
were afraid the baby was going to die or in danger and then later

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Happy Year of the Dog to you all

joseph

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Jessica Castaneda  wrote:
>
> I work with migrant workers in my job. I am appalled sometimes at the
> amount of difficulties and prejudices they face. It is virtually
> impossible for those that are illegal to become "legal".

Jessica,

I agree that there are major problems with immigration laws and
standards in the USA, and that these issues need to be addressed. I do
not wish to minimize that at all but simply to observe it is difficult
to get into many, if not most, industrialized countries of the world.
If you are an American, you will find it difficult to get into
Australia, New Zealand (nearly impossible), and some countries in
Europe on a permanent basis. My English, Asian, Indonesian, Turkish,
and Australian friends tell me horror stories about trying to obtain
appropriate papers to "work" here in USA on more than a temporary
basis. Everybody wants to work in a country where if you work hard
enough you will be rewarded.

The kind

For those of you who have been waiting, for the Disc, it is now ready 
and will be sent out on Wed. to those who have sent me their addresses 
and money.  

I hope that those who will receive a copy will be able to use the 
information found on the disc.

Jonathan

The immigration issue in the United States goes beyond the Mexican and 
Canadian borders.  The quota's for European countries is much higher 
than for Africa, Asia, Mexico or South America. Granted that times are 
much more frightening for many Americans but this has been going on as 
long as legal immigration has been an issue. If your skin is light you 
have a much easier time getting into this country legally. Times are 
changing but sadly not on this issue.. 
Linda in Everett

Emilie,

The group has been rather quietly lately so I'm using this opportunity
to make an additional comment on the "Dialog of the Dead" play.  I
understand that it might not be directly related to genealogy but
since Joseph brought up the subject I hope nobody will complain.

I have previously expressed an opinion about one experience that could
be common among some of us that are in pursuit of our genealogical
roots:  the contrast between finding our dead relatives and finding
our living relatives.  Relations with our dead are so easy; they do
not prejudge us; they do not make any kind of demands; we just embrace
them as part of ourselves regardless of what, where or who they were
and that's the end of it.  Relations with the living, particularly
those distant living relatives that we rediscover thru our
genealogical endeavors, can be and often are very complicated.  And,
aren't we all related at some point back in time? 

Our prejudices and misconceptions of life usually get in the

I live walking distance to NARA.  I can probably make it over 
sometime this week and look at the film for you.

There was somebody else in the group that I had promised to look 
for.  Can you please help out my memory.  It was a few months back 
but I have not been back since then.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda  wrote:
>
> I know that NARA has the following record available,
> but I was unable to determine if I can order it
> through my local family history center. It doesn't
> appear that I can.
> 
> "A3379. Nonstatistical Manifests Statistical Index
> Cards of Aliens Arriving at Laredo, Texas, May
> 1903-November 1929. 112 rolls. 16mm.---ROLL 77" 
> 
> at:
> http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html#a3379
> 
> I'd prefer not to pay $65 to NARA for a roll that I'm
> not even sure has information on my
> great-grandparents: Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
> Gonzalez. They came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas to
> Laredo in the 1920s. Can anyone help

Thanks, Carol! Marge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Carol Turner wrote:

Marge, I'm not sure regarding our NARA records, it's

been almost two years since I've been there viewing

the Eagle Pass microfilm, and at that time they didn't

have El Paso films.  I was told to contact NARA in TX.

I may put in a call tomorrow and find out and I'll

keep you posted, they may have these films now.  I

hate to tell you this but Eagle Pass had about 26 or

more rolls of film, I'm sure I went through 4 rolls

just to check for Muro's in a three (1908-1911) time

frame.  When I call, I'll find out who has El Paso

films and how they are indexed. 



--- Margarita Vallazza wrote:



> Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records.

> The 1930 Census

> states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913

> and my grandfather

> in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records

> to come to KC's

> NARA or what?  Thanks.  Marge:)

> On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol

The following NARA site has extensive information on their Immigration 
Records for Mexican Border Crossings. There is a lot of information - 
and I recommend that you read it carefully, despite its length - it is 
comprehensive. I don't think there is an index. Please NOTE - the 
filming of these records has not been completed, and may take about 
another 8-12 months to complete.

The NARA site is:
     http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html

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