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Joseph,

I have been really busy and have not contributed for a
while. Is that why I no longer have access to the ranchos
group?

Nena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

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From:
Joseph Puentes

To: LosRanchos ; Ciudad_Juarez@...om

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:17
PM

Subject: [ranchos] Everton's Newsline--13
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Everton's Newsline--13 May 2004

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New Files Added for Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hey everyone,
Hope you all are having a good weekend.  I made time today to add 
some files to my new Jalisco folder, more specifically 
Jalostotitlan, San Miguel El Alto, and San Juan de los Lagos.  The 
most common names in these files are Gonzalez, Martin, & Padilla.

I'm not all that far into the history of my familia in Jalisco.  But 
I'll be making a lot of additions in the next four months.  I'm 
fortunate to be able to go to Salt Lake City and the Family History 
Library there, and will make a lot of additions to these files in 
early December and early February. 

Check it out.

Take care,
Roberto

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Hey,

is there anyone out there up to a translation request? I send out the
below email to all prospective members. Lately I've found the need to
have the same email in Spanish but I don't feel up to the challenge. .
.well of course I could do it and make it so it sounds like a 3rd
grader did it, but I'd like it to read right. Anyway this letter is an
example and not written in stone (this means if you have suggestions
for a completely new letter to send out sounds good to me, but at the
minimum keep the 2 requirements to be part of the group part of your
version. . .I won't budge on this part!).

thanks,

joseph

============================================

Hello,

I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/.
We are a
small but dedicated group of serious researchers. Here is the
description of the group from our home page:

"This group is for those
actively searching for their Mexican Genealogy Roots. El objetivo de
este

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Roberto Martinez de Los Altos

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que te dije!

I told you that you and Steven would probably hook up. I'm glad you
have caught his interest as now you and those other cousins he
mentioned will have plenty to talk about. If possible it
would be way cool if you could keep the "non personal" discussions on-list
but you guys have to decide that one. Its just good to see some of
my effort paying off in discussion among the members. Anyway if you
keep it on-list very fine and if you go off-list esta bien tambien.

Be ready for the rush of material and in your research if you find that
you expand to other geographical areas of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes please share this info as well as others might care to
join your primos network.

oh by the way tambien soy Padilla but my Padillas are from the Juarez,
Chihuahua area and maybe came from Los Altos but I don't have any proof
of that.

oh another thing that would be so very cool would be this DNA thing you
mentioned. It would be great if you get sold
on

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Hey hey, Roberto Martínez! On behalf of the entire Ranchos group, I would like to welcome you. My name is Steven F. Hernández, and just by the sound of the few names and Los Altos de Jalisco localities you mentioned, I can already tell you that you and I are related.

You will find you already have other distant (or not so distant) kin in Ranchos. Alice Wissing, María E. Cortéz, Irma Gómez Lucero, Roberta Romero, and María Elena (Nena) Gutiérrez Uhlenberg, among others I'm sure, share common ancestry from Los Altos. Irma and Nena in particular, as well as myself, have many common roots in Jalostotitlán, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, as well as many other towns. There all the Martín/Martínez/Martín del Campo/Campos are one in the same family. That MAY be your actual surname, Martín del Campo, as it was used in the past. Seems everyone with Alteño genealogy descends from that family at least once, if not more.

But the same can be said about some or many of the

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Hope everyone is doing well. Just wanted to introduce myself. I'm Roberto Martinez living in Albuquerque, Nuevo Mexico. First want thank Joseph for putting in time to create this space.

I was born in San Jose CA & found my way to Albuquerque NM. My mother was born in Taft, Texas & my father in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. In Jalisco, my grandfather Brigido Martinez Padilla & his family were from Jalos & San Juan de los Lagos. My grandmother Soledad Gonzalez Padilla & her family were mostly from San Miguel & Jalos, & she in Villa Obregon (Canadas).

Soledad Gonzalez was born in Villa Obregon in 1920 to Sabas Gonzalez Munos & Zeferina Gonzalez Padilla, who were married in the early 1900?s.

Sabas Gonzalez was born in San Miguel El Alto in 1879 to Maximino Gonzalez Vallejo & Jacoba Munos Losa, who were married in San Miguel El Alto in 1876.

Zeferina Padilla was born in San Miguel El Alto in 1885 to Guadalupe Padilla Martin & Cleofas Gonzalez Centeno, who were married in San

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Irma,

I'll tell you right now who all those fathers were: "Espanoles aprovechados." I like your speculations.

Alice

Irma GomezLucero wrote:

I have also seen this in Jalisco records. The father was listed as "desconocido." Also Paternal grandparents were not even mentioned either.

I have seen many similar situations for Indian & Mulata women.

Makes you wonder who the fathers were, huh?

Did the woman never mention the father's name to the priest or were the names divulged in confession which would NEVER have become public record. I think more the latter. It isn't that the priest would be protecting the father, it's more the confidentiality of the Confession.

Something to think about...

Irma Gomez

-----Original Message-----
From: Al Duarte [mailto:aduarte@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:33 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Names

In my genealogy research using records of baptism (1700-1800) from Zacatecas and Chihuahua, I

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I have
also seen this in Jalisco records. The father was listed as "desconocido."
Also Paternal grandparents were not even mentioned either.

I have
seen many similar situations for Indian & Mulata women.

Makes
you wonder who the fathers were, huh?

Did
the woman never mention the father's name to the priest or were the names
divulged in confession which would NEVER have become public record. I
think more the latter. It isn't that the priest would be protecting the
father, it's more the confidentiality of the Confession.

Something to think about...

Irma
Gomez

-----Original Message-----
From: Al Duarte
[mailto:aduarte@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004
9:33 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos]
Names

In
my genealogy research using records of baptism (1700-1800) from Zacatecas
and Chihuahua, I found when a child was born out of wedlock, the child would
take the mother's last name. The father's name was never mentioned or

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wrong Las Animas, sorry

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Jose:

Good news. Try
the below website.

Steve Compos has
names you are looking from Jerez, which I believe will help you find your
family.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jerez/surnames.htm

Good
luck.

Alberto.

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From: zendean
[mailto:usa20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004
10:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[ranchos] wrong Las Animas, sorry

Al; Thank you for your post about Jerez,
Zacatecas. My grandparents are from there and I didn't know that it was
so close to Jalisco. Do you have a contact with a Macias family member
in Jerez ? I am a descendant of Francisco Macias and Leonarda Ramirez,
of Jerez, Zacatecas.

Sincerely,

Jose Luis Macias

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From:
Al
Duarte

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004
3:33 PM

Subject: RE: [ranchos] wrong Las
Animas, sorry

When we visited Jerez

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wrong Las Animas, sorry

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Hola, Jose. I'm a new comer to Los Ranchos but not to the quest for family information. Your family name prompts me to share some of my findings with you on the chance that there may be a connection. I recently learned that my grandmother's name was/may be Maria Macias...and not Maria Garcia which is the name/person my mother Guadalupe (12/12/03), was searching for until the day she died. Grandmother Maria died prematurly 1906 (age 17) Por. Diaz Hospital/ Ciudad Chihuahua leaving Guadalupe in the care friends (Petra/Tomas Dominguez). Maria's husband had been pressed into military service by fed. gov. Maria Macias would die before he returned to reclaim his daughter Guadalupe..age2-3. When Petra/Tomas died, Guadalupe was "adopted" and taken away to the USA by foster grandparents Alejandra Castillo and Gaspar Flores whom I came to know as my grandparents. Guadalupe later married Leonardo Felix (Antonia Fernandez, Jerez, Zac/Trinidad Felix-Hermita Guadalupe, Zac.). Once in the USA

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wrong Las Animas, sorry

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No, I don't know any
of the Macias or Ramirez families. But these 2 last names are very
predominate in the history of Jerez.

Alberto.

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From: zendean
[mailto:usa20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004
10:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[ranchos] wrong Las Animas, sorry

Al; Thank you for your post about Jerez,
Zacatecas. My grandparents are from there and I didn't know that it was
so close to Jalisco. Do you have a contact with a Macias family member
in Jerez ? I am a descendant of Francisco Macias and Leonarda Ramirez,
of Jerez, Zacatecas.

Sincerely,

Jose Luis Macias

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From:
Al
Duarte

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004
3:33 PM

Subject: RE: [ranchos] wrong Las
Animas, sorry

When we visited Jerez, Zacatecas, about 10 years ago, I noticed
people would come in bus loads from

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wrong Las Animas, sorry

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Al; Thank you for your post about Jerez,
Zacatecas. My grandparents are from there and I didn't know that it was so
close to Jalisco. Do you have a contact with a Macias family member in
Jerez ? I am a descendant of Francisco Macias and Leonarda Ramirez, of
Jerez, Zacatecas.

Sincerely,

Jose Luis Macias

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From:
Al
Duarte

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:33
PM

Subject: RE: [ranchos] wrong Las Animas,
sorry

When
we visited Jerez, Zacatecas, about 10 years ago, I noticed people would come
in bus loads from Santa Maria de los Angeles, Jalisco, to Jerez to do
their shopping on Saturdays. Also, I met an elderly gentlemen that
lived in both Jerez and Santa Maria de los Angeles.

There may have been families from Santa Maria de los Angeles
that had family ties in Jerez, since Jerez was the largest city in the area
for many years. Who knows?

Regards,

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wrong Las Animas, sorry

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When
we visited Jerez, Zacatecas, about 10 years ago, I noticed people would come in
bus loads from Santa Maria de los Angeles, Jalisco, to Jerez to do their
shopping on Saturdays. Also, I met an elderly gentlemen that lived in
both Jerez and Santa Maria de los Angeles.

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There
may have been families from Santa Maria de los Angeles that had family
ties in Jerez, since Jerez was the largest city in the area for many years. Who
knows?

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size=2>Regards,

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size=2>Alberto Duarte Prieto.

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From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:26
PM
To: loulou_rodriguez; LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos]
wrong Las Animas, sorry

oops sorry I should have read further before I just posted my message. My relatives came from Las Animas that is close to Santa Maria de Los Angeles not the one close to Nochistlan, sorry, joseph

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wrong Las Animas, sorry

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oops sorry I should have read further before I just posted my message.My relatives came from Las Animas that is close to Santa Maria de LosAngeles not the one close to Nochistlan,


sorry,

joseph

My Genealogy

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which surnames came from Las Animas? I have many many of my Puentes,
Diaz, Torres, and many others that came from Las Animas. thanks,

joseph

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Hello Lourdes,

I also descend from that area of Nochistlan/Tlachichila
Zacatecas. I have friends that are said to be distant family here in
San Jose that are Rodriguez and are from that area. My surnames are
Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, Esparza, Munoz.

I have often heard family members talk about Las Animas and the
Rodriguez, Oropeza and Delgadillo surnames. I have relatives in LA
who are Olmos Delgadillo who are from Tlachichila just outside of
Nochistlan and I have an uncle who's ex wife is Dolores Oropesa, she
also lives in San Jose and is from the same area.

This should be interesting to see where or if our families
intersect.

Happy Hunting................Alicia

loulou_rodriguez
wrote:

Hi Everyone! I realize my introduction to the Ranchos Group is well

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My Genealogy

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Hello Lourdes,

I also descend from that area of Nochistlan/Tlachichila Zacatecas. I have friends that are said to be distant family here in San Jose that are Rodriguez and are from that area. My surnames are Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, Esparza, Munoz.

I have often heard family members talk about Las Animas and the Rodriguez, Oropeza and Delgadillo surnames. I have relatives in LA who are Olmos Delgadillo who are from Tlachichila just outside of Nochistlan and I have an uncle who's ex wife is Dolores Oropesa, she also lives in San Jose and is from the same area.

This should be interesting to see where or if our families intersect.

Happy Hunting................Alicia

loulou_rodriguez wrote:

Hi Everyone! I realize my introduction to the Ranchos Group is well overdue. My name is Lourdes Rodriguez Jimenez. I have been researching my ancestors off and on for a few years now but have dedicated much time to my research over the last year. My family is from a ranch

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Genealogy Humor

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Here is some humor that I found in a message board.  I
hope you get a laugh out of it like I did and realize
that all of our ancestors did this.
 
ANCESTORS GUIDE TO NAMING

  1) Thou shalt name your male children: James, John,
  Joseph, Abel, Richard, Thomas or William.

  2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth,
  Mary, Martha, Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia or Mae.

  3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female
children.

  4) Even after naming your children using the above
  lists, thou shalt never refer to them by those names
  again; instead, thou shalt call them by strange
  nicknames, such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, and
Sukey.

  5) Thou shalt not use any middle names on ANY legal
  documents or census reports and whenever possible,
use only initials on legal documents.

  6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly
so that your surname can be spelled, or misspelled in
  various ways: Tipper, Topper, Hopper, Tucker,
Tapper.

  7) Thou shalt, after no more than

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My Genealogy

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Hi Everyone!
I realize my introduction to the Ranchos Group is well overdue. My 
name is Lourdes Rodriguez Jimenez. I have been researching my 
ancestors off and on for a few years now but have dedicated much time 
to my research over the last year. My family is from a ranch called 
Las Animas (also known as Daniel Camarena) which is located 
approximately 1-2 miles outside of Nochistlan, Zacatecas. 

The surnames I am researching are as follows: Rodriguez, Jimenez, 
Romo, Oropesa, Ramires, Ortega, Contreras, Martines, Borrayo, 
Lomelin, Cervantes (Quesada), Melendres, Padilla, Donlucas, Nunon 
(Nunez), Delgadillo, Quirarte, Prieto and Macias. I have not traced 
any of my ancestors outside of Nochistlan, yet! My earliest data 
dates back to the mid 1800s - late 1700s.

I was really exciting about finding this group and I truly look 
forward to working with all of you, sharing ideas, tips and 
information.

Sincerely,
Loulou

[Fwd: Victoria Conference Update]

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if any of you all are Texas residents this looks like it might be
something to consider.

joseph

Schedule of Events Friday, September 17, 2004
>Conference Registration ~  7:30a.m.  - 8:00 p.m.
>Foyer area of the Brazos and Colorado Meeting Rooms
>
>Cultural Bus Tour of Victoria and Goliad  ~  8:30a.m. - 3:00p.m.
>  Includes: a Tour of Historic Downtown Victoria, Presidio La Bahia in
>Goliad - See the site that played a major role in six revolutions/wars
>for independence, Tour the birthplace of General Ignacio Zaragoza, See
>the Zaragoza and Fannin monuments, Tour the Mission Espiritu Santo de
>Zuniga, Lunch break on the Mission Espiritu Santo grounds, See the "El
>Calle de Los Diez Amigos" and finish at the Museum of the Coastal Bend,
>home of LaSalle's Fort Saint Louis.  Transportation, lunch and
>admittance to all scheduled

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Responses to my Names Message

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In a message dated 9/10/2004 11:21:17 AM Central Standard Time, alice_wissing@... writes:

As far as some states never mentioning or listing the father's name,
why would the priests try so hard to protect his identity? Double
standards, perhaps, or is there a Catholic or cultural thing I'm not
understanding?

Let's see if I can get this right: The priests would not necessarily be protecting the identity of the father, more like the priest would have not sanctioned such an off-spring, and so the woman and child forever was "labeled" because of their parent's indiscretions. However, on the other hand, where the Catholic Church and government often acted in unison - it meant that the illigitimate child and the mother never would have an opportunity to claim any inheritance from the father's family.

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wrong Las Animas, sorry

wrong Las Animas, sorry

wrong Las Animas, sorry

wrong Las Animas, sorry

wrong Las Animas, sorry

wrong Las Animas, sorry

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[Fwd: Victoria Conference Update]

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