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Message from Margarita Vallazza teacozygran@...

I'll be glad to send a donation as well. Marge Vallazza:)
On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:19 PM, arturoramos2 wrote:

>
> Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar,
> "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a
> number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to
> publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as
> well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of
> Totatiche.
>
> He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the
> only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from
> Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those
> filmed as we speak.
>
> He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish
> these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I
> have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members. 
> My parents are headed

Message from Arturo ROMERO arturoromero@...

Arturo,                where can I send a donation for this project?       Arturo Romero
arturoramos2 wrote:

Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.

He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those
filmed as we speak.

He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a

Message from Alberto Duarte albertodua@...

Good information.

I have one also, what about the last name Garcia de la
Cadena-some of my relatives went with Garcia and
others went with Cadena (which I'm having a problem
finding). Can anyone from Zacatecas Jerez help me
with this one?

Alberto Duarte

Message from arturoramos2 arturo.ramos2@...

In response to your question:

It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas
were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic
church records -- does anyone know if they were kept?

The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s when a secular civil registry was established and even then, it took some communities a while before they started complying with the government's decrees that all births and marriages had to be registered through civil authorities.

There appears to be a couple of Borondas around Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates for being relatives of your ancestor. It is my understading that many of the Alta California pioneers in that time period were from the frontier provinces (Durango, Zacatecas, Chihuahua, etc.)

FRANCISCO XAVIER BORONDA
Male Family
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH BORONDA Family
Mother: MARIA

Message from Stuart Armstrong stuarta@...

arturoramos2,

Thursday, February 16, 2006, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote:

> Yolanda:

> I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that
> you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation
> that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a
> seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or
> sort by surname these are not taken into account.

> When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the
> same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the
> letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

> I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a

Yolanda:
I use The Master Genealogist, which when customized also allows
entering the "pre-surname" in a separate field that isn't considered
when the names are sorted. Thus, de la Cruz and Cruz sort together.
I would normally say that you should enter the names as you find
them, but the

Message from Yolanda Bobby Perez windrocklili@...

Arturo: I use Family Tree Maker and PAF .  These are the lines I have with DE for our target areas: DE AVILA... DE BUGARIN.... DE CAMPOS... DE CASAS... DE LA GARZA... DE HARO... DE HERRERA... DEL VALLE... DEL REAL... DEL MURO... DE YNIGUES... DE LUNA... DE RIOS If you have any questions on any of these lines let me know. Y MUCHAS GRACIAS POR TU AYUDA.   YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

arturoramos2 wrote:

Yolanda:

I guess the
answer to your question depends on the software that you are using.  I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account.

When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

I definitely like entering the

Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

thanks Victor. . .I checked and its on tomorrow. Amazing.



joseph





v.h.villarreal wrote:

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http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/index.html





 
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Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

there is a DNA testing that they say can tell you what part of Africa
you came from. . .I don't know to much about it other than what they
claim:



http://africanancestry.com/



if you find out when that show will be on next or if its available via
Blockbuster or someplace let us know. I'd like to see it as I share the
same blood as you, well you never know, at least the same as that
coming from the same continent.



joseph







Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

The public service chanel here in Everett, Chanel 9 has a show on the 
genealogy search for Blacks to find thier genetic makeup. Since I have 
traced 3 Mulato lines in 3 different states, Jalisco, Zacatecas and 
Michoacan  I was very interested in what they had to say.  They shared 
the fact that the Portuguese controlled the slave trade and that in 
the time frame I'm looking at, mid 1600's the odds are the slaves were 
from Angola. They shared the major advancments they are making

Message from Emilie Garcia auntyemfaustus@...

Linda,
 
I saw that show the other evening, too.  My husband watched too, and
he was amazed.  It was especially interesting to me, since I am discovering
just how many mulato lines I have on my father's side from Zacatecas.  It
should be interesting to whites too to find out that they may have as much as
11% African blood as that genetecist found out (and his mother told him to stop
talking about it-he looked nothing but white), and that someone like the
professor that narrated the show had 50% white blood even though anyone looking
at him would say he was black.  When Oprah saw the documents for her black
slave ancestors and she cried, I cried too.  It was interesting too that
blacks had Asian blood too. 
 
My father's Spanish ancestors, the Olagues and Tinajeros (Felix/Suriano)
were all mulatos by the mid and late 1700's. 
 
I really want to send for those DNA kits now,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

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Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph,

Here is another ancestor of mine.  I had trouble finding him
because by the 1700s they were spelling it Marcelino Suriano and his
descendants had turned into mulatos in Salitrillo.   
 
I remember that when I tried to get some records from Seville,
they would only send it to me if I had a fax machine.  I don't have
one, but that would have been neat to get them that way and not wait so
long for the snail-mail.

don't know to much about it, but i almost got ready to order from them
once and don't remember them wanting to do it via fax only. I thought
they had options for mailing copies and mailing film and yes it was at
a price that had to be in Euros only,



joseph

 
Emilie Garcia
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Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

yes you will find the same information on the AER and very very very
much more below is a pinch of what will be found on the AER



joseph



Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph,

Below is a copy of what I found today on one of my ancestors in
Ancestry.com.  The original entry in Ancestry.com that I printed out
back in August 2004 said "Extracted from documents in the Archivo
General de Indias in Seville, copies of which are among the holdings of
the Family History Library in Salt Lake City".  Now I notice that this
entry has that sentence truncated after "copies of".  I wonder why they
did that?  Did they not want the public to know that the FHC has those
records, or did the FHC make them eliminate that part?  They only give
some book as a resource. 
 
That time that I tried to navigate the AER online, I got as far
as getting a password and I pulled up any old record, and it was
amazing!  The actual photo of the document from

Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

the instruction are in the Ranchos2 files area. go there and look for
this folder:

Archivos
Espanoles en Red


Instructions for Accessing this Archive of Archives
in Spain



Linda R Romero wrote:

How does one sign up if one doesn't speak Spanish?  Just walk me  
through the words so I can sign up.  In case you're wondering how I  
can research in the Spanish language when I can't read it, I search  
using my family names.  When I get a hit, I make a copy and translate  
it later.  Simple, time consuming, and not very accurate.  But it is  
all I can do.

Linda


 
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Message from leticia leon caleta58@...

Hello Alicia, I wish you read spanish. Whenever I search for info about any town of Mexico I write the name in that space that says "search in the web" in my cp. I did it arter reading you message and jalpa has a site. I did open the first item.  It is nice. in one of the options, wich is "jalpa" it opens into more options, so hope you luck              Leticia Leon Morales

 

The American Heritage®

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Message from rosa9972 lareina2@...

I have sent information to all interested parties who have responded
so far, although a few people have mentioned not receiving my replies.

If you have not received my emails concerning the location of the
meeting, please write me at rosalindamruiz@... . Perhaps my
netcom account is not working.

Thanks,

Rosalinda

Message from elviraz elviraz@...

Look up the article about the
Hacienda de Trancoso's "silos of Santa Monica".
 
 
 The
Trancoso hacienda, built between 1660 and 1670, was once part of the Monte
Grande hacienda; its first owner was Captain José Monrreal. Back then he had a
large weaving factory called La Zacatecana.
 
 www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx/.../norte/detalle.cfm?idsec=21&idsub=0&idp…

 
 
Elvira
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Susana
Leniski
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:53
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Monte grande


Hello:
 
Can anyone tell me where was "Monte Grande"
in zacatecas?. I thought it was Monte Escobedo but I was wrong. I'm not
sure if it was part of zacatecas or aguascalientes
 
Thanks
Susana
 
 

Message from Santos Luna mistyriver123@...

Sounds like a fantastic trip....Feliz Viaje....and happy trails to you both. I plan on being at the Ranchos meeting in Sacramento in March...hope to see you then. By the way, we are now living 3/10th of a mile, walking distance, from the Family History Center...but have only been there twice since our move...que lastima... Saludos, Helyn

Richard and Kitty Cortez wrote:

Our vacation starts April 6th in Rocklin, CA,  then we spend about 5-
7 days in Ogden, UT where we will meet with Rosalinda and visit the
FHL in SLC again.  The 14th of April we take off  by way of Hiway 80
and head back east to Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.  Before
we arrive back East, we plan
on visiting friends in Chicago, Cousin
in Michigan, and a cyber cousin in Pittsburg.  Those cities are
followed by an Uncle in Richmond, VA, hopefully Joseph in NC, then
friends in GA where we will stay for about 3 days.   After Georgia,
we head up to Paducah

Message from Alicia Carrillo alliecar@...

Oh boy, now I am really sorry I cannot attend the southern Cal meeting. We had two deaths in the family in January, one to Baja Calif and the other one this week to LA and next week a wedding in LA. Please eat some pan dulce on my behalf. Maybe at the next meeting i can make it. Best of everything to everyone.   Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo San Jose, CA

zendean wrote:

This is to confirm my intent to come to the Feb. 25th Ranchos meeting @ 11:30. All I need now is where to come on that day.   Jose Luis Macias "Zendean"


-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@...
Sent: Feb 1, 2006 10:52 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] UPDATE
ON THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RANCHOS MEETING

Hi group!     Here is an update on the upcoming Southern California Ranchos   Meeting.  A kind member of the Ranchos group, Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes,   has offered the use of her home as a meeting place.  The advantage of   this is that