First of all THANKS to all who responded to my question about using
DE in a surname... I'm sure other members new to genealogy as well as
those more seasoned in this "obsession" continue to learn from other
members. KUDOS.. TO THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE AN EFFORT TO
SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES.
I recently attended a genealogy meeting where they mentioned that
there was a PAF program in Spanish and I was wondering if I could
First of all THANKS to all who responded to my question about using DE in a surname... I'm sure other members new to genealogy as well as those more seasoned in this "obsession" continue to learn from other members. KUDOS.. TO THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE AN EFFORT TO SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES. I recently attended a genealogy meeting where they mentioned that there was a PAF program in Spanish and I was wondering if I could convert my Paf/english to PAF/spanish. If this were possible it would make it possible to give family reports to our family members that do not read English. Is this possible or am I dreaming??? Yolanda Medina Perez in El Paso, Tx.
Yes, and there are BORONDAs in New Mexico. I have not found any link to mine yet, but one day I may. Kim On Mon, February 20, 2006 12:19 pm, Alberto Duarte said: > Not only did they go to alto California, but they also > went to new Mexico. > > Alberto Duarte
Thank you so much for this information. I am not quite clear on one thing -- the Catholic churches *should* have birth records from the 1700's? In most countries with which I have experience, even after civil registry, the church kept records. Is this true in Mexico? Kim On Fri, February 17, 2006 2:47 pm, arturoramos2 said: > The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New > Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s > when a secular civil registry was established and even > then, it took some communities a while before they > started complying with the government's decrees that all > births and marriages had to be registered through civil > authorities.
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For anybody who would like to donate, please send the money to my attention. If you would like to send a personal check, please send it my name, and I will have my father deliver it in cash or a single combined money order. There are no banks in Totatiche and therefore dealing in personal checks can be troublesome. I will of course obtain a receipt for your donation. If you do not feel comfortable doing this, please obtain a postal money order in the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar, as some of the shops in town exchange money orders. My mailing address is: Arturo Ramos 1225 13th Street NW Apt 412 Washington DC 20005
I'll be glad to send a donation as well. Marge Vallazza:)
On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:19 PM, arturoramos2 wrote:
Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books. He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.
He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s. He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak.
He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations. I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members. My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with
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yes thanks so much for bring this up again. I want to donate as well.
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arturoramos2, Thursday, February 16, 2006, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote: > Yolanda: > I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that > you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation > that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a > seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or > sort by surname these are not taken into account. > When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the > same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the > letter "D" and I forget to look for them there. > I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a Yolanda: I use The Master Genealogist, which when customized also allows entering the "pre-surname" in a separate field that isn't considered when the names are sorted. Thus, de la Cruz and Cruz sort together. I would normally say that you should enter the names as you find them, but the trouble is, the same name is often (usually)
Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books. He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.
He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s. He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those
filmed as we speak.
He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations. I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members. My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the
Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books. He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche. He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s. He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak. He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations. I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members. My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with them. Please let me know if you would be willing to contribute, however small an amount. I will make the
Good information. I have one also, what about the last name Garcia de la Cadena-some of my relatives went with Garcia and others went with Cadena (which I'm having a problem finding). Can anyone from Zacatecas Jerez help me with this one? Alberto Duarte --- Erlinda Castanon-Longwrote: > Welcome to the wonderful world of genealogy! What > I'm sharing may > sound very trying but I must tell you the longer you > do genealogy > the more satisfaction you get when you work long and > hard and your > family is reclaimed after going through many > records. I found a > record I'd had for 3 years the key to taking my > Gutierrez family > from 1750 in Jalisco to 1650 in Michoacan! At other > times I can > thank another person who's shared their information > and records that > opened a door for me. My husband had done the > records for his family > back to 1854 and found someone else online through > Familysearch.com > who'd done that line back to mid 1500's
Not only did they go to alto California, but they also went to new Mexico. Alberto Duarte --- arturoramos2wrote: > > In response to your question: > > It is my understanding that vital records in > Zacatecas > were burned in the revolution, but what about the > Catholic > church records -- does anyone know if they were > kept? > > The Catholic Church records were the vital records > in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the > late 1800s when a secular civil registry was > established and even then, it took some communities > a while before they started complying with the > government's decrees that all births and marriages > had to be registered through civil authorities. > > There appears to be a couple of Borondas around > Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates > for being relatives of your ancestor. It is my > understading that many of the Alta California > pioneers in that time period were from the frontier > provinces (Durango
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face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:30:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, windrocklili@... writes:
Yolanda, what area are you looking at??? I have some family surnames (Bugarin, Herrera, Ynigues, Luna). If it is Tlaltenango, check out what I submitted in the files. Esperanza
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In response to your question: It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic church records -- does anyone know if they were kept? The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s when a secular civil registry was established and even then, it took some communities a while before they started complying with the government's decrees that all births and marriages had to be registered through civil authorities. There appears to be a couple of Borondas around Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates for being relatives of your ancestor. It is my understading that many of the Alta California pioneers in that time period were from the frontier provinces (Durango, Zacatecas, Chihuahua, etc.) FRANCISCO XAVIER BORONDA Male Family Parents: Father: JOSEPH BORONDA Family Mother: MARIA AVENDANO Marriages: Spouse: SEBASTIANA
Welcome to the wonderful world of genealogy! What I'm sharing may sound very trying but I must tell you the longer you do genealogy the more satisfaction you get when you work long and hard and your family is reclaimed after going through many records. I found a record I'd had for 3 years the key to taking my Gutierrez family from 1750 in Jalisco to 1650 in Michoacan! At other times I can thank another person who's shared their information and records that opened a door for me. My husband had done the records for his family back to 1854 and found someone else online through Familysearch.com who'd done that line back to mid 1500's and was more than willing to share including documentation. When I started reading records I would discard all names that were spelled differently... WRONG!!! I now know the families seldom even saw the records and the people giving the information were not always the people the records were about. There were many times where the scribe put the
Hello, I am new to the ranchos group. My potential link to the target areas is my ancestor Jose(f) Manuel BORONDA. It has been said that he was born in Jerez, in Guadalajara, and in Spain. So far there is no proof of any of this. He would have been born about 1750. It is documented that he came to California in 1769. He married Maria Gertrudis HIGUERA at Mission San Carlos in Monterey, California on 23 January 1790. He was 40 at that time. I have learned that BORONDA is likely a Basque name and that it has *numerous* spellings! There are very few, under any spelling, that I can find in Aer or Argena III. Those that I find on LDS are in Basque Country. It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic church records -- does anyone know if they were kept? Muchas gracias. Kim Raine Vermont
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Bienvenue, Sandra, welcome to the group,
Yes, we all find that often the women used many different last names.
In the records for some of my ancestors in Zacatecas I find that a different last name for the mother was used almost for each child's baptism. This is because women used their mother's maiden names as well as their own, or they used their step-mother's maiden names if they had been raised by the step-mother. One time I found that they had entered the grandmother's name instead of the mother's. This may have happened because the mother and father stayed home and it was the padrinos who took the baby to be baptized and they didn't know the correct names. I have also found where men used their mother's maiden names instead of their father's last names. That could be because it was thought to be better to use the name of the espanoles (or rich grandparents) instead of the real father's name. My father was born in Jerez. His last name was Olague
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1. [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa
From: arturoramos
2. Re: New to the group
From: Peggy Delgado
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:17:37 -0800 (PST)
From: arturoramos
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa
Monica:
There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for. The mother's
Yolanda:
I guess the
answer to your question depends on the software that you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account.
When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.
I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of
Yolanda: I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account. When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there. I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of contemporary names were once "DE" names such as Rios was "DE LOS RIOS" or "DEL RIO" and Torres was "DE LA TORRE", etc. so I would not enter such names simply as "TORRE". What software are you using? Other than ROBALCALVA, do you have any "DE" names such as those I mention above? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research@... To change your subscription
HOW DO RANCHOS MEMBERS HANDLE THIS, IT HAS BECOME A CONFUSING DILEMA
FOR ME. I PUT IN ROBALCAVA AND FOR HIS DAUGHTER I FIND HER AS DE
ROBALCAVA....I LATER CAN'T FIND HER UNTIL I REMEMBER TO LOOK
UNDER "DE". I NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU EXPERIENCED GENEALOGISTS.
MIXED-UP IN EL PASO YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ