TO ADD OR NOT TO ADD "DE" IN A SURNAME?

HOW DO RANCHOS MEMBERS HANDLE THIS, IT HAS BECOME A CONFUSING DILEMA 
FOR ME. I PUT IN ROBALCAVA AND FOR HIS DAUGHTER I FIND HER AS DE 
ROBALCAVA....I LATER CAN'T FIND HER UNTIL I REMEMBER TO LOOK 
UNDER "DE".   I NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU EXPERIENCED GENEALOGISTS.
MIXED-UP IN EL PASO      YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ




New to the group

Hi Monica!! Welcome to the group! 
 
Peggy Delgado

Mónica wrote:


Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is
true?

Thank you,
Monica






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Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa

Monica:

There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for. The mother's surname does not match, but that is not as uncommon as you may think.

JUAN DE LA ROSA
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: NARCISA ACOSTA Family
Marriage: 28 OCT 1872 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

[Nuestros Ranchos] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa

Monica:

There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for.  The mother's surname does not match, but that is not as uncommon as you may think.

JUAN DE LA ROSA  
Male
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  NARCISA ACOSTA  Family 
  Marriage:  28 OCT 1872   Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico 
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:  
 M600825  1866 - 1875  0439842   Film    

ESTANISLAO ROZAS CALDERON  
Male
 Christening:  23 NOV 1874   Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico 
 Parents: 
  Father:  JUAN ROZAS  Family 
  Mother:  NARCISA CALDERON 
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:  
 C600824  1872 - 1875  0439823   Film

=====================================
Message from Mónica mony7979@...

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in Montpellier, France.

I've started my

New to the group

Welcome to the group Monica!

--- Mónica  wrote:

> 
> Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently
> living in 
> Montpellier, France.
> 
> I've started my genealogical research and I have
> roots in Zacatecas, 
> this are the names:
> 
> Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was
> daugther of Juan 
> de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from
> Fresnillo, Zacatecas
> I haven't found more information on dates, but I
> keep on researching.
> 
> Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros
> surname comes 
> from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones
> knows if this is 
> true?
> 
> Thank you,
> Monica
> 
> 
> 
> 


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New to the group

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in 
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas, 
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan 
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes 
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is 
true?

Thank you,
Monica




Southern California meeting-- Important Reminder!

The RSVP deadline (the 15th) is looming for the first Southern
California Ranchos Meeting. You still have an opportunity to
respond-- and please do so. I want the meeting to be a great
success. Some had responded months ago stating that they would like
to attend, but I haven't heard from them since. Maybe you never
mentioned that you would like to attend, but now you realize that
February 25th is doable.

Southern California meeting-- Important Reminder!

The RSVP deadline (the 15th) is looming for the first Southern 
California Ranchos Meeting.  You still have an opportunity to 
respond-- and please do so.  I want the meeting to be a great 
success.  Some had responded months ago stating that they would like 
to attend, but I haven't heard from them since.  Maybe you never 
mentioned that you would like to attend, but now you realize that 
February 25th is doable.  

Whatever your situation, please let me know at 
lareina2@... or rosalindamruiz@... if you plan to 
attend, so I can send you information and we can order food for 
you.  As you know, the more people who come, the merrier, and I 
would love to meet you.  Please don't be shy!

As a reminder:

February 25, 2006
11:30 a.m.
Rowland Heights, CA

Thanks,

Rosalinda  




ATTN: Charles Clark

I just want to let you know I have sent you an email about the 
Southern California meeting.  Please let me know that you have 
received it.

Rosalinda





African American Lives

This series was one of the best and most interesting I have ever seen. Would that it would happen to us Mexican Americans. Marge:)



On Feb 11, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:


thanks Victor. . .I checked and its on tomorrow. Amazing.



joseph





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African American Lives

thanks Victor. . .I checked and its on tomorrow. Amazing.



joseph





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DNA testing advances

Joseph,
 
The show is called African American Lives and it will be shown again on
February 12 at 1:00 am PST.  Most of their programs are available on video
from their PBS.org store.  Our local PBS channel 9 in my area has a store
in Seattle.
 
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:07
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] DNA testing
advances

there is a DNA testing that they say can tell you what part of
Africa you came from. . .I don't know to much about it other than what they
claim:

http://africanancestry.com/

if
you find out when that show will be on next or if its available via
Blockbuster or someplace let us know. I'd like to see it as I share the same
blood as you, well you never know, at least the same as that coming from the
same continent.

joseph



Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

The public service chanel here in Everett, Chanel 9 has a show on the 
genealogy search

Another AER Record at Ancestry.com

Joseph,
 
I think I had asked them to e-mail me the records since I couldn't navigate
well enough to find them on my own, and they would only fax them or mail
them.
 
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:11
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Another AER Record
at Ancestry.com



Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph,

Here is another ancestor of mine.  I had trouble finding him
because by the 1700s they were spelling it Marcelino Suriano and his
descendants had turned into mulatos in Salitrillo.   
 
I remember that when I tried to get some records from Seville, they
would only send it to me if I had a fax machine.  I don't have one, but
that would have been neat to get them that way and not wait so long for the
snail-mail.

don't know to much about it, but i almost
got ready to order from them once and don't remember them wanting to do it

DNA testing advances

This didn't go through the first time....I am resending it....
 
Hi Linda,
 
I also watched that show.  I found it was much easier to understand
and follow than what is currently "out there".  Relating to the show's
discussion on Angola, it said that one out of every 4 African Americans were
believed to be from that area.  For those of you that didn't get to watch
the show, here is a clip of it:
 
I might have mentioned that I have done some research on the African
Diaspora, in particular throughout Latin America.  While I wished I could
have done much more research, and I am by no means an expert, I can share
this:  Spain was very much involved in the slave trade as were the British,
Dutch, and Portuguese and to a lessor extent the French.
 
Even though Spain and England agreed to stop the slave trading NORTH OF THE
EQUATOR in the early 1800's, they continued exporting slaves south of equator
for decades later.So, there were waves of

Another AER Record at Ancestry.com





Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph,

Here is another ancestor of mine.  I had trouble finding him
because by the 1700s they were spelling it Marcelino Suriano and his
descendants had turned into mulatos in Salitrillo.   
 
I remember that when I tried to get some records from Seville,
they would only send it to me if I had a fax machine.  I don't have
one, but that would have been neat to get them that way and not wait so
long for the snail-mail.

don't know to much about it, but i almost got ready to order from them
once and don't remember them wanting to do it via fax only. I thought
they had options for mailing copies and mailing film and yes it was at
a price that had to be in Euros only,



joseph

 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Recordinfo



about Marchion Soriano

Name: Marchion Soriano

DNA testing advances

there is a DNA testing that they say can tell you what part of Africa
you came from. . .I don't know to much about it other than what they
claim:



http://africanancestry.com/



if you find out when that show will be on next or if its available via
Blockbuster or someplace let us know. I'd like to see it as I share the
same blood as you, well you never know, at least the same as that
coming from the same continent.



joseph







Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

The public service chanel here in Everett, Chanel 9 has a show on the 
genealogy search for Blacks to find thier genetic makeup. Since I have 
traced 3 Mulato lines in 3 different states, Jalisco, Zacatecas and 
Michoacan  I was very interested in what they had to say.  They shared 
the fact that the Portuguese controlled the slave trade and that in 
the time frame I'm looking at, mid 1600's the odds are the slaves were 
from Angola. They shared the major advancments they are making daily 
in genetic testing now being able to

DNA testing advances

Hi Linda,
 
I also watched that show.  I found it was much easier to understand
and follow than what is currently "out there".  Relating to the show's
discussion on Angola, it said that one out of every 4 African Americans were
believed to be from that area.  For those of you that didn't get to watch
the show, here is a clip of it:
 
I might have mentioned that I have done some research on the African
Diaspora, in particular throughout Latin America.  While I wished I could
have done much more research, and I am by no means an expert, I can share
this:  Spain was very much involved in the slave trade as were the British,
Dutch, and Portuguese and to a lessor extent the French.
 
Even though Spain and England agreed to stop the slave trading NORTH OF THE
EQUATOR in the early 1800's, they continued exporting slaves south of equator
for decades later.So, there were waves of the African Diaspora, coming from
different parts of Africa at

DNA testing advances

Linda,
 
I saw that show the other evening, too.  My husband watched too, and
he was amazed.  It was especially interesting to me, since I am discovering
just how many mulato lines I have on my father's side from Zacatecas.  It
should be interesting to whites too to find out that they may have as much as
11% African blood as that genetecist found out (and his mother told him to stop
talking about it-he looked nothing but white), and that someone like the
professor that narrated the show had 50% white blood even though anyone looking
at him would say he was black.  When Oprah saw the documents for her black
slave ancestors and she cried, I cried too.  It was interesting too that
blacks had Asian blood too. 
 
My father's Spanish ancestors, the Olagues and Tinajeros (Felix/Suriano)
were all mulatos by the mid and late 1700's. 
 
I really want to send for those DNA kits now,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----

DNA testing advances

The public service chanel here in Everett, Chanel 9 has a show on the 
genealogy search for Blacks to find thier genetic makeup. Since I have 
traced 3 Mulato lines in 3 different states, Jalisco, Zacatecas and 
Michoacan  I was very interested in what they had to say.  They shared 
the fact that the Portuguese controlled the slave trade and that in 
the time frame I'm looking at, mid 1600's the odds are the slaves were 
from Angola. They shared the major advancments they are making daily 
in genetic testing now being able to isolate genes to find what 
percentages we are of different ethnic backgrounds.  I find this all 
very exciting and hope if you get the chance that you will get to 
watch this very informative show. Even if you have no black ancestors 
the sharing of genetic information and genealogy research methods is 
great and well worth watching.
Linda in Everett





Another AER Record at Ancestry.com

Joseph,

Here is another ancestor of mine.  I had trouble finding him because
by the 1700s they were spelling it Marcelino Suriano and his
descendants had turned into mulatos in Salitrillo.   
 
I remember that when I tried to get some records from Seville, they would
only send it to me if I had a fax machine.  I don't have one, but that
would have been neat to get them that way and not wait so long for the
snail-mail.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Recordinfo


about
Marchion Soriano

Name: Marchion Soriano
Year: 1526
Place: America
Source Publication Code: 8870
Primary Immigrant: Soriano, Marchion
Annotation: Chronological list of passengers to Spanish America (including
Florida and Louisiana, 1538-1559)

AER Records at Ancestry.com

yes you will find the same information on the AER and very very very
much more below is a pinch of what will be found on the AER



joseph



Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph,

Below is a copy of what I found today on one of my ancestors in
Ancestry.com.  The original entry in Ancestry.com that I printed out
back in August 2004 said "Extracted from documents in the Archivo
General de Indias in Seville, copies of which are among the holdings of
the Family History Library in Salt Lake City".  Now I notice that this
entry has that sentence truncated after "copies of".  I wonder why they
did that?  Did they not want the public to know that the FHC has those
records, or did the FHC make them eliminate that part?  They only give
some book as a resource. 
 
That time that I tried to navigate the AER online, I got as far
as getting a password and I pulled up any old record, and it was
amazing!  The actual photo of the document from the 1500s appeared on
the screen and it had