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Do you have any Zaldivars in your Panuco ancestry? Marge:)

On Nov 7, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

How do you expect Americans to know the history of

another country or group when they know very little

about their own history?  If you don't believe me,

just ask them. 



Emile, you are doing way better than me.  I can only

trace my ancestors back to 1675 in Panuco, Zacatecas.



Alberto Duarte Prieto

Santa Maria, California



--- Emilie Garcia wrote:



> Yes, Arturo,

>

> It is so frustrating to know that Anglos here don't

> have a clue about our history.  They are amazed when

> I request records for 1640, or mention that I just

> downloaded a census for 1650, for example.  They say

> "They have records in Mexico that go back that

> far?--Who wrote them?"  (they have no clue as to how

> literate and educated the priests and notaries

> public were).  I tell them that I can trace some

> ancestors to 1543 (in Panuco, Zacatecas).  I just

>

How do you expect Americans to know the history of
another country or group when they know very little
about their own history?  If you don't believe me,
just ask them.  

Emile, you are doing way better than me.  I can only
trace my ancestors back to 1675 in Panuco, Zacatecas.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Yes, Arturo,
> 
> It is so frustrating to know that Anglos here don't
> have a clue about our history.  They are amazed when
> I request records for 1640, or mention that I just
> downloaded a census for 1650, for example.  They say
> "They have records in Mexico that go back that
> far?--Who wrote them?"  (they have no clue as to how
> literate and educated the priests and notaries
> public were).  I tell them that I can trace some
> ancestors to 1543 (in Panuco, Zacatecas).  I just
> can't trace all the lines back that far and there
> are such huge gaps sometimes due to the upheavals
> caused in the founding of a

Elvira,

Thanks so much for sharing your interesting experiences.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "elviraz"  wrote:
>
> 
> Arturo, Emilie, 
> 
>  See my comments below.
> 
> Elvira
> 
> 

I've moved the Census records for Jalisco and Zacatecas from the
Ranchos2 files area to the Ranchos1 links area.

have a look:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/Dr_Platt_sCensusRefe_001131267898/

joseph

ps: I need to add the Aguascalientes pages for this also.

I DID UPLOAD THE FILE OF MY GENEALOGY DIRECT LINE, TO RANCHOS 2 HOPE 
DID NO MISTAKES, THANK YOU.

You know that's right Elvira.  I talk to the Nordic people at my 
family history center and they cannot believe that there are even 
records for Mexico in the 1700s let alone records that list maternal 
and paternal names up to the grandparents... along with race/caste, 
etc.  As wrong as the motives may have been for maintaining all of 
this information... knowledge=control and the maintainance of 
information like this was obviously meant to categorize and keep 
people in their place.  Nevertheless this information gives us a 
beautiful window into the lives of our ancestors.

Emilie: Neither my father nor I have been able to locate my 
grandfather's birth certificate... either at the civil registry in 
the town where he was born nor in Gudadalajara.  I think there were a 
lot of records lost just before the revolution. The government in 
Mexico was very weak and then a lot of records were destroyed.  We 
are lucky we have been able to find his baptismal records.

I have a similar

forgive me. . .I meant to reply the same day but decided to wait and
then promptly forgot.

wow! you make me feel like a god. . .how many can say they've had poety
written for them. I'm sure this will make my wife jealous, I can wait to
tell her!

Thank you Yolanda, what a nice thought and yes I do believe I'm getting
help from my primos, tios, tias, etc.

muchisimas,

joseph


Yolanda Medina-Perez wrote:

A tradition in Mexico is the writing of a CALAVERA for
friends,family, public personalities and politicians. Calaveras are
meant to be funny, they are not meant as eulogies, but are mild
teasing. There's usually some sort of rhyme, and they can be
several lines to several stanzas in length. They can also be poems
of sharp criticism especially towards Los Politicos or Governantes
from Mexico and U.S.

Here goes one for you Joseph, ojala y te guste.

            JOSEPH

ESTABA JOSEPH MUY DE MANANA
COMIENDO PAN Y TOMANDO SU ATOLE.
PLATICABA CON SU AMADA,
CON SU

I'm looking for more Poetry and Oral History for my
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast. If anyone is interested please
reply to makas@...

joseph

I'm not sure if it has always been the same but I understand that
civil registry records are always made in duplicate; one for the local
office and a copy for the State archives of the civil registry.  So
even if the local copy was burnt there's a chance that the State's
copy survived.  As I said, that is how it is done today but I'm not
sure if the same rule applied back in 1903.

The other question is where were the microfilms made, at the local
office or at the state office?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Victor, I was just going over the civil registry records I have
checked and I haven't found any trace of my father, aunt or
grandmother, nor of a marriage record for my grandfather Francisco
Olague and grandmother Gorgonia Garcia.  I checked the civil registry
for Guadalupe, a town not far from Jerez, where my aunt Soledad's (my
father's only sibling) death certificate says she was born.  Also, the
priest didn't say the