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Josie,

 I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since we are studying our 
ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA results which I 
haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low resolution level to my 
paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I did not realize who you 
were.

Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the HVR2 and you have 
extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we are related at an even closer 
(high resolution) level.

Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material you have in the Ranchos 
database. My grandmother's data is below.

Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. Amazing.

Abrazos,

Ed

HVR1 Haplogroup A
HVR1 differences
from CRS
16223T
 	
16290T
 	
16319A
 	
16362C

HVR2 differences
from CRS
64T
 	
73G
 	
146C
 	
153G
 	
182T
 	
235G
 	
263G
 	
315.1C
 	
522-
 	
523-
 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T

Arturo,

These are my differences from CRS.

Did I tell you that we're all near mtDNA matches to the famous Ice Maiden from Perú ?

Saludos,
Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" wrote:
>
> Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
>
> I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
>
> 16111T
> 16223T
> 16290T
> 16319A
> 16362C
> 16390A
>
> I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa Magallanes born
> circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely Tepecano
> (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the Spanish were
> really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos and brought
> in a lot of other labor to the area.
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" raices_regias@y...
> wrote:
> >
> > Josie & Linda,
> >
> > We share the same haplogroup A. Although we're not an exact match
> we

Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.

I too am a haplogroup A

Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.

I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:

16111T
16223T
16290T
16319A
16362C
16390A

I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa Magallanes born 
circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely Tepecano 
(Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the Spanish were 
really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos and brought 
in a lot of other labor to the area.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Josie & Linda,
> 
> We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an exact match 
we
> do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with 
mitochondrial
> DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our female 
common
> ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical times.
> 
> Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is called "Deep
> Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share the same
> Native American roots in the

Joseph,

 

The FamilySearch website, is undergoing some upgrades.  There has been
a possible date of later on this month, for when it is to be
completed.   Basically, when the screen comes up, saying no film
notes, you just need to reload the page until, the notes button will
come up.  It can take about 2 or 3 times.

 

Jonathan 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> [when I opened this page the message at the top said there are no films 
> for this]. . .does anyone know why this would say there are no films
for 
> this area when the description says there are?:
> 
> Title 	Registros civiles del municipio de San Crist?bal de la Barranca, 
> Jalisco, 1870-1980
> Authors 	San Crist?bal de la Barranca (Jalisco). Registro Civil 
>
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=authordetails&authorno=369435&name=San+Crist%F3bal+de+la+Barranca+%28Jalisco%29%2E+Registro+Civil%2C+null>

> (Main Author)
> 
> Notes

Josie:
PENCIL ME IN maybe, just maybe my wife and I
will
attend. Francisco
--- "Josie T. Trevino"
wrote:

> 
> Hi All!
> 
> I heard from
Ruth Gomez Schirmacher, Salt Lake City
> Family History Library,
>
today and she advises me that the Hispanic genealogy
> conference will be
held
> "Next year it will be the second weekend of
>
Oct"........that is an official
> quote from her e-mail to me!  
:-)   
> So........that would make it on
> Saturday,
October 14, 2006.  I know that it is still
> quite early but now
you
> have a firm date that you can make

Ed:

I agree with you 100 percent.  My only point was that the non-native cultural influence in 
the American Southwest in the 200 years preceding the American annexation was much 
more Mexican than Spanish.  Political realities do not always conform to cultural realities.  
I suposse an analogy would be the Indian troops that the British used to conquer Hong 
Kong.  These people, who are among the oldest settlers of the island, were not British and 
their identity in the colony was not as British, and in fact the British abandoned them when 
they abandoned Hong Kong.  Mexicans played a very similar role in the American 
Southwest, even while it was under Spanish rule... the name for New Mexico was not 
arbitrary... it was in fact a colony of Mexicans on the frontier, under Spanish rule, as were 
all Mexicans at the time.

Likewise, the Mexican identity is not limited to the geographical boundaries of Mexico.  I 
think it is wonderful that people who identify themselves proudly as

Arturo,

My comments related to the idea of ownership. Spain owned the area what we call the 
Southwest for centuries. Mexico "owned" the Southwest for no more that 30 years. Neither 
country tried to develop the area in any major way. Spain tried somewhat in 1750 when 
they came up with the idea of the missions, converting the natives to christianity and 
further exploring the lands. However, my readings suggest that the independent county of 
Mexico from 1820-1848 was in so much internal strife after Independence that the 
Southwest was not addressed in any meaningful way.

I fully understand that the people of Nueva España or Mexico had an influence on the 
Southwest, as they do today. I simply object to the idea held by some that the Southwest, 
particularly California, belonged to Mexico for as long as anyone can remember. Before 
the Spaniards, various tribes of Native American Indians lived in the Southwest, perhaps as 
long as 10,000 years. Which tribes I do not know. Same

Hello:



I am available for transcribing.



Mickey

[when I opened this page the message at the top said there are no films
for this]. . .does anyone know why this would say there are no films for
this area when the description says there are?:

Title Registros civiles del municipio de San Crist?bal de la Barranca,
Jalisco, 1870-1980
Authors San Crist?bal de la Barranca (Jalisco). Registro Civil

(Main Author

Josie: 
PENCIL ME IN maybe, just maybe my wife and I will
attend. Francisco
--- "Josie T. Trevino"  wrote:

>  
> Hi All!
>  
> I heard from Ruth Gomez Schirmacher, Salt Lake City
> Family History Library,
> today and she advises me that the Hispanic genealogy
> conference will be held
> "Next year it will be the second weekend of
> Oct"........that is an official
> quote from her e-mail to me!   :-)    
> So........that would make it on
> Saturday, October 14, 2006.  I know that it is still
> quite early but now you
> have a firm date that you can make your plans around
>  for our "unofficial
> reunion in SLC"........I have prepared a list of
> those who have expressed an
> interest in going (no obligation at this time) and
> as I receive more
> information regarding the details of the conference
> I will pass this on to
> the group so everyone can decide if they want to
> participate.  Please feel
> free to post any questions you may have regarding
> this and I will

Alicia:

I will make you a deal and since I have the section following yours,
I will proceed backwards and start transcribing your names in Excel
i

Arturo,

I just created a new folder on the Ranchos2 group and moved my files
there to free some space here.  

Victor

Link to files in Ranchos2:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Alicia:
> 
> I will make you a deal and since I have the section following yours, 
> I will proceed backwards and start transcribing your names in Excel 
> if you transcribe the text from your section and mine.  It looks like 
> your names start on 115 recto.  My section's names stop at 124 
> verso.  So why don't you transcribe 111 recto through 114 verso and 
> then start up again on 124 verso and go through 130 verso.  That way 
> you will have all text which you can do in Microsoft Word.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Alicia,
> > 
> > A section of what I'm transcribing contains also just text and I 
> plan
> > to create a separate text file for that.

Alicia:

I will make you a deal and since I have the section following yours, 
I will proceed backwards and start transcribing your names in Excel 
if you transcribe the text from your section and mine.  It looks like 
your names start on 115 recto.  My section's names stop at 124 
verso.  So why don't you transcribe 111 recto through 114 verso and 
then start up again on 124 verso and go through 130 verso.  That way 
you will have all text which you can do in Microsoft Word.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Alicia,
> 
> A section of what I'm transcribing contains also just text and I 
plan
> to create a separate text file for that.  Excel is not very well
> suited for that and besides if we add all the text into one of the
> columns then we won't be able to manipulate the data as data.
> 
> About the Recto and Verso it simply refers to the front and back of
> each sheet.  We have to use those numbers instead of the numbers 
that
> are

Alicia,

A section of what I'm transcribing contains also just text and I plan
to create a separate text file for that.  Excel is not very well
suited for that and besides if we add all the text into one of the
columns then we won't be able to manipulate the data as data.

About the Recto and Verso it simply refers to the front and back of
each sheet.  We have to use those numbers instead of the numbers that
are inscribed in the document itself because with the Recto-Verso
numbers we can go back and locate any specific piece of information
that we need to verify.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
>
> Arturo,
>  
> I have created an account in the Archivos Españoles Red and opened
up the Colotlan 1785 document but I need to clarify what or where
exactly I begin. I opened up to the first entry for 111 where you
requested that I begin. On the left hand side it has a sequential
numerical column which states either "recto''  or ''verso''. Is

Victor:

That