sorry, forgot to say that part of the family stablished in Jesus Maria, Jalisco, the ranch is called Mesa de Oñate, neighbor to ranchos Puertecito and Paso Bajo owned by familia Leon, decendants of De Cos Y Leon. So Long Leticia Leon Morales
hello everybody I uploaded a portion of my genealogy on the maternal side of my father, this Oñate resided in San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Gto. (nowadays is City Manuel Doblado), legend in the family said that four brothers came from Spain, two stayed and two went back. When was it and who and who where they? my father doesn`t know. Maybe happened in 1820`s or maybe far long. Anybody related? Go to ranchos 2 and look in the folder of genealogies Thankyou all. Leticia Leon Morales aka lili pinzon
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Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos group. File : /Linda R Romero's Ancestors/Ramon Romero, Sr.-Marie L. Hallstead.doc Uploaded by : imanoldretireeDescription : You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Linda%20R%20Romero%27s%20Ancestors/Ramon%20Romero%2C%20Sr.-Marie%20L.%20Hallstead.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, imanoldretiree
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My apologies again folks, the URL below should be http://www.ems.kcl.ac.uk/content/pub/b015.html
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From: Emilie Garcia
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:34 AM
Subject: [ranchos] More Spanish Food History
This is off-topic, I know, but I am on a roll about food history now.
Take a look at the following: http://www.ems.kdl.ac.uk/content/pub/b015.html
Scroll down to the seventh paragraph, and you will see a mention of "gato
por liebre". Some time ago, we had a discussion in this group about the meaning of that phrase, and this website gives the history of that saying. Apparently, some Spaniards were not averse to roasting cats and eating
them! They did caution that you must not eat the head (or its brains) since that could lead to madness. The article goes on to state that especially with the onset of Mad Cow Disease, people should not eat brains. I know that my husband used to love to eat "huevos con |
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This is off-topic, I know, but I am on a roll about food history now.
Take a look at the following: http://www.ems.kdl.ac.uk/content/pub/b015.html
Scroll down to the seventh paragraph, and you will see a mention of "gato
por liebre". Some time ago, we had a discussion in this group about the meaning of that phrase, and this website gives the history of that saying. Apparently, some Spaniards were not averse to roasting cats and eating
them! They did caution that you must not eat the head (or its brains) since that could lead to madness. The article goes on to state that especially with the onset of Mad Cow Disease, people should not eat brains. I know that my husband used to love to eat "huevos con cesos" amongst other gross things he has been known to eat (he is a real gourmand). The article states that perhaps Don Quixote's madness stemmed from his habit of having a breakfast of "huevos con cesos" on Saturdays, and that Cervantes (my husband is a |
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Sorry, folks, the correct link is: http://wwwcliffordawright.com/history/christmas.html
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From: Emilie Garcia
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:36 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Capirotada in 17th Century Spain
Hello, Group,
I sent Joseph a recipe for capirotada from New Mexico that I found
online. I also sent him my mother's recipe for capirotada. (Hope he tries them out and lets us know how he did with them). I also sent Joseph a paragraph from a website on food history that
describes a Christmas feast given by King Phillip III in early 17th Century Spain. At each course they served many, many dishes, amongst them CAPIROTADA and several kinds of EMPANADAS. Joseph asked me to send you the link to that website: Scroll down to the fourth paragraph to read about King Phillip's
unbelievable pig-out of a fiesta! Emilie Garcia
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Hello, Group, I sent Joseph a recipe for capirotada from New Mexico that I found online. I also sent him my mother's recipe for capirotada. (Hope he tries them out and lets us know how he did with them). I also sent Joseph a paragraph from a website on food history that describes a Christmas feast given by King Phillip III in early 17th Century Spain. At each course they served many, many dishes, amongst them CAPIROTADA and several kinds of EMPANADAS. Joseph asked me to send you the link to that website: Scroll down to the fourth paragraph to read about King Phillip's unbelievable pig-out of a fiesta! Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---
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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"
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> Victor.......is this the complete message? It appears that you left off in
> the middle of a sentence......Thanks! Josie
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Josie, it looks like the message got truncated. Below is a copy of that same message.
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That's a keen observation and a good question about the number of differences in our mtDNA in relation to the CRS reference.
Let's start by saying that the CRS (Cambridge Reference Sequence) is just an arbitrary reference selected by some team of geneticist that were among the first to study the genetic sequences of mitochondrial DNA. They decided to use the sequence of one of their subjects as a comparison reference, maybe one of their own samples, who knows?. The selected mtDNA belongs to haplogroup H, the most prevalent haplogroup in Europe. Therefore many European persons who get tested have few differences if any with the CRS reference.
Next, what the commercial
Josie,
That's a keen observation and a good question about the
number of differences in our mtDNA in relation to the CRS
reference.
Let's start by saying that the CRS (Cambridge Reference
Sequence) is just an arbitrary reference selected by some team of geneticist
that were among the first to study the genetic sequences of mitochondrial
DNA. They decided to use the sequence of one of their subjects as a
comparison reference, maybe one of their own samples, who knows?. The
selected mtDNA belongs to haplogroup H, the most prevalent haplogroup in
Europe. Therefore many European persons who get tested have few
differences if any with the CRS reference.
N
I just looked at the group member genealogies. Here is the official
count: we have 109 members but only 77 genealogies. that means that
there are 32 members that have not turned in your representative tree
connecting you to our group study area. I know a good ten of you
possibly 15 have talked to me and bought yourself some time before the
official "Ax" date of January 31, 2006
Anyway if you are one of the 10-15 people that talked to me asking for
more time beyond the January 31, 2006 deadline then in about a month or
so please
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I just looked at the group member
genealogies. Here is the official count: we have 109 members but only 77 genealogies. that means that there are 32 members that have not turned in your representative tree connecting you to our group study area. I know a good ten of you possibly 15 have talked to me and bought yourself some time before the official "Ax" date of January 31, 2006 Anyway if you are one of the 10-15 people that talked to me asking for more time beyond the January 31, 2006 deadline then in about a month or so please contact me off the list with a "reminder" that you talked to me. I'm going to make up a special email folder this time around for those that have communicated with me. For all other new members I just want to say that "communication" will get you an extension. Lack of communication will get you. . .well, I guess that's why I call it "Ax" day. In the past I've probably unsubscribe about 30-40 members ============ ============ here is my previous message: |
http://www.studyspanish.com/accents/typing.htm
joseph
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Joseph, Thanks so much for the website telling how to change the keyboard to Spanish characters. I hope that it will take care of the problem I have been having: when I print out some of the group's messages where they have used the Spanish keyboard with accents, tildes, etc., I get little squares instead of the accented letters. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---- style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> |
Jose Ramon,Cuando leo tus correos siento que escribes con tanta pasion y mucha sabiduria. Es un honor para el grupo que seas uno de los integrantes. Agregas algo muy rico a la mezcla de Ranchos. Yo tambien busco con anhelo mis raices mestizas, castas o indigenas y creo que
mantengo una mente abierta para poder ver lo que se presente por enfrente.Jose Ramon,When I read your postings I feel that you write with much passion and knowledge. It's an honor for this group to have you as a member. You add much to the knowledgeable mix of Ranchos
[I made a mistake and misread what Linda said so the error corrected
starts after the double lines]
Linda R Romero wrote:
Ed, Joseph: I'm afraid I haven't figured out my haplogroup. I do
not have my fathers Y-DNA, that's why I need my brother's
cooperation. He and I have the same parents. I only have my mtDNA and
my mother is not Spanish. I also have 3 half brothers, but since
their mother's are not the same as mine, I haven't bothered to ask
them. My father's sister is dead so I have no mtDNA on my father's
side. A total shame.
[NOTE: I wrote this and then carefully re-read the message. . .i see
where Linda said her fathers sister didn't have any natural children. So
disregard the application of the following. I still left it in because I
can still make another point on finding her Mt-DNA, but now it will be
much more of a challenge]
anyone please jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.
through the male you can test for Y-DNA and it is passed on to his male
Maria, Your first thought is correct. You and your brother share the same mitochondrial DNA so there's no need for you to take the same test. If you were testing autosomal DNA then your results and your brother's could be slightly different, but the usefulness and accuracy of such tests is very limited for our genealogical purposes and it is not recommended. With your brother's Y-DNA and mt-DNA tests you will know your paternal Y-chromosome lineage and your maternal mitochondrial lineage. The next logical step if you wanted to research your genetic origins any further would to be to test either a maternal uncle's Y-DNA or a paternal aunt's mt-DNA, or both. We have to remember that genetic lines (Y-DNA & mt-DNA) branch out and multiply exactly like a genealogical tree. We start with two parents and then four grandparents and then eight great-grandparents. When we discover one of our genetic lines there is one ancestor at each generational step that has the same genetic
Victor,
Thanks for the wonderful explanation on DNA. It didn't come across as patronizing at all.
I have a question about something you stated for you or anyone else who may know the answer: "Since we're not clones, half of those 46 chromosomes come from each of our progenitors. 23 from the father and 23 from the mother to make 23 pairs..."
My brother is taking both the yDNA and the mtDNA tests. I was thinking that since we come from the same set of parents there would be no benefit to having my DNA analyzed, but after reading the above I am thinking otherwise. Perhaps it would be more valuable to have a great uncle or aunt from both sides of the family (since all my grandparents are dead) have their DNA analyzed.
Maria
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"
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> Josie,
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> At the risk of oversimplifying this whole thing, I'm posting a few
> essential concepts about DNA. Please excuse me if I sound patronizing.
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> We all have heard that DNA is the
Thank you Emily, Joseph, Arturo, Leticia, Angie, Mary, Irma, for all
the help you sent. Some of the information I knew but some was new
to me and much appreciated. I need all the help I can get.
I have just spent 3 hours copying the emails from the group to my
word file -- while trying not to include all the repeated information
at the bottom of the emails. I can then read them while on the road
to AZ. All the information in these emails is great and I don't want
to lose it.
Ed, Joseph: I'm afraid I haven't figured out my haplogroup. I do
not have my fathers Y-DNA, that's why I need my brother's
cooperation. He and I have the same parents. I only have my mtDNA and
my mother is not Spanish. I also have 3 half brothers, but since
their mother's are not the same as mine, I haven't bothered to ask
them. My father's sister is dead so I have no mtDNA on my father's
side. A total shame. All my cousins are from his brother, Rosendo.
His sister adopted
Josie,
That's a keen observation and a good question about the number of differences in our mtDNA in relation to the CRS reference.
Let's start by saying that the CRS (Cambridge Reference Sequence) is just an arbitrary reference selected by some team of geneticist that were among the first to study the genetic sequences of mitochondrial DNA. They decided to use the sequence of one of their subjects as a comparison reference, maybe one of their own samples, who knows?. The selected mtDNA belongs to haplogroup H, the most prevalent haplogroup in Europe. Therefore many European persons who get tested have few differences if any with the CRS reference.
Next, what the commercial tests show us about our mtDNA is not the whole sequence of mtDNA but just one or two regions: HVR1 and HVR2 (Hyper Variable Regions). Supposedly these two regions don't have any medical implications so having a fewer more or a fewer less mutations is not very significant. But that is not always the case in the
Josie,
At the risk of oversimplifying this whole thing, I'm posting a few
essential concepts about DNA. Please excuse me if I sound patronizing.
We all have heard that DNA is the blueprint of life. And it is!..............
Saludos,
Victor
