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Joseph,
If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea.  You can count me for a $25 pledge.

Olivia
So. Calif.

Joseph Puentes wrote:

For now we are over a hundred members strong. I would like to run
something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to
having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?

I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to
have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in need or
for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort would
need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 members (no
ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. Before
the "use" committee would decide on a

While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez 
de Hermosillo. "

I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? 

I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there that has 
any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will be 
greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from 
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> All the Colotlan and nearby area researchers of this group. Help me come 
> up with some interview questions for these Historiadores.
> 
> what do you want to know?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
 
1. What is the mining history of Colotlan?
2. Were the inhabitants of Colotlan and nearby areas migratory in nature, looking for the 
best jobs they could?
3. Did the Native American Indians of Colotlan survive? Are they still there?
4. Is it true the haciendas turned over every three generations?
5. What percent of the population in the 1700's and 1800's actually lived in the "city", like 
Colotlan vis-á-vis on the small ranches/haciendas?
6. How did Colotlan compare in the 1700's and 1800's to the major cities of Guadalajuara 
and Mexico City?
7. Who were the important figures in Colotlan history, both Spanish and Native American 
Indian?
8. How much influence did the Catholic Church have in the area? How much land did the

make sure you click on the whole name - both lines are part of the
address. Type in the second line if you have to - it's worth it.

Happy Thanksgiving

Linda
Message: 6
   Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:18:42 -0600
   From: Linda R Romero 
Subject: Re: Digest Number 673

Happy Thanksgiving all.

Turn on sound.

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Happy Thanksgiving all.

Turn on sound.

http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/view.pd?
i=382219626&m=1652&rr=y&source=msne999

Joseph

A shot on initals M.E.ad   Medico Especialista
Administrador

Jose Munoz

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> In that death cert for my GGG grandfather, Tadeo
> Diaz. What do you think 
> the letters mean on the left:
> 
> M. E. ad ? is it ad or something else. I would guess
> the E is for 
> Espanol but what about the M and ad?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 



	
		
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I will pledge $100. Let me know when and where to send it.

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  wrote:
>
> A good idea. I pledge $25.00.   Mary Garana Allen
> 
> Richard and Kitty Cortez  wrote:Joseph, when I was working I was in charge 
of the weekly football 
> pool, so I feel I could handle the Ranchos Support Fund if we decide 
> to go thru with this.  Thank you for your confidence in my ability.  
> Rich and I can also pledge $25.00

Joseph, when I was working I was in charge of the weekly football 
pool, so I feel I could handle the Ranchos Support Fund if we decide 
to go thru with this.  Thank you for your confidence in my ability.  
Rich and I can also pledge $25.00, but let it be known that others 
can pledge $1.00, $10.00 or whatever they feel comfortable.  Some of 
us retired folks are on fixed incomes. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all

Kitty
Rocklin, CA



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> For now we are over a hundred members strong.  I would like to run 
> something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone 
object to 
> having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?
> 
> I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able 
to 
> have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in 
need or 
> for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort 
would 
> need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3

The time and date are:  December 3rd at 11:30 am.

You are all invited.  If any of you get the urge to hop on a plane 
and meet us in Sacramento you are more than welcome.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, robert hernandez  
wrote:
>
>   The Sacramento meeting place is Vallejo's Restaurant 1331 O 
street (14th and O). Attached is a link to a map. When you open link 
just plug in your specific starting address. This should render turn 
by turn directions. By the way, the owner is from Jalostitlan and 
proud of it.
>   
>  
>   http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=14th%20St%20%26%20O%
20St&city=Sacramento&state=CA&zipcode=95814&country=US&title=14th%
20St%20%26amp%3b%20O%20St%20Sacramento%2c%20CA%2095814%2c%
20US&cid=lfmaplink2
> 
> 
> readysetgo95814  wrote:
>   Robert, Irma and Alicia:
> 
> I am just delighted to have enough interest.  I think we should 
time 
> it around Alicia's schedule since she is the one who has the longer 
> drive.  I

Ed/Alberto:

As an aside, the Mexican presidential mansion in Chapultepec is 
called "Los Pinos"

I too recall reading about the heavy logging that occured in the 
Sierra de Mixton near Tlaltenango early on and I know that today this 
is one of the central problems that the Wirrarika (Huichol) have with 
incursion on their lands... illegal logging.  The Sierra Huichol is 
perhaps one of the few dense forests left in the area... largely 
because of inaccessability.

Also, as another aside... the currently mainstream reason for the 
collpse of Maya civilaztion is deforestation.  The population had 
grown so dense that vast parts of the Yucatan and Guatemala were 
cleared for agriculture leading to all sorts of ecological problems 
which eventually led to catastrophe and the abandonment of the cities.

So the Spanish were not the only ones who were careless with natural 
resources.

The U.S. lumber industry is heavily pushing U.S.-style residential 
construction in Mexico in hopes that it

Not surprisingly, Mexico is one of the two biggest
customers for our forest products.  Japan, I believe
is number one.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Edward Serros  wrote:

> Arturo,
> 
> In my readings on Mexico, I have been impressed with
> the deforestation of the ranchos 
> areas and farther north. All of this excessive
> deforestation may partly account for the 
> present "low yield" nature of the land, not that it
> was real good anyway. It reminds me of 
> the cedars of Lebanon, which used to cover Lebanon.
> Now Lebanon has nothing to speak 
> of since most, if not all, of the trees were used in
> various projects, including ship-
> building, centuries ago. Any comments?
> 
> Our Spanish ancestors had only one thing in mind
> sometimes: gold. Unfortunately, the 
> environmental impact may have been huge and
> deleterious.
> 
> Oh yeah, our Spanish ancestors had another thing on
> their mind: women.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos

Arturo,

In my readings on Mexico, I have been impressed with the deforestation of the ranchos 
areas and farther north. All of this excessive deforestation may partly account for the 
present "low yield" nature of the land, not that it was real good anyway. It reminds me of 
the cedars of Lebanon, which used to cover Lebanon. Now Lebanon has nothing to speak 
of since most, if not all, of the trees were used in various projects, including ship-
building, centuries ago. Any comments?

Our Spanish ancestors had only one thing in mind sometimes: gold. Unfortunately, the 
environmental impact may have been huge and deleterious.

Oh yeah, our Spanish ancestors had another thing on their mind: women.

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Joseph et al:
> 
> I have been working on a lumber case for the past four years and know 
> way more that I ever cared to know about species of trees, so when I 
> saw your question I got curious.  I know from

Joseph et al:

I have been working on a lumber case for the past four years and know 
way more that I ever cared to know about species of trees, so when I 
saw your question I got curious.  I know from having been in Jalisco 
that the mountainous areas are a mix of coniferous and deciduous 
forests, and that the plains are grasslands but this gives all of the 
details of the extent of those ecoregions as well as the actual 
species that grow there.  Pinus Montezumae... cool name... also known 
as Ocote as in Ocotlan, Jalisco (which literally means the place of 
Montezuma pines).

"Pine forests in Mexico grow at elevations of 2,275-2,600 m and are 
composed mainly of Pinus montezumae."

http://www.vivanatura.org/Maps%20Mexican%20ecosystems.html

The following website from Semarnat (Secretariat of Environment and 
Natural Reources) gives more details on all the major commericalized 
plant species in Mexico:

http://www.semarnat.gob.mx/pfnm/amplia.html

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com