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Hello Jose:
Thank you for your kind words, we all need a few
words of encouragement every now and then and I appreciate your words. Thank you again. As far as : "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" is
concerned, I found a book titled : "Jalostotitlan a Traves de Los Siglos" The book mentions Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo as being one of the first settlers in Jalostotitlan, along with his wife Ana. I traced my line all the way back to him and that's where I find myself at the moment. There were 10 generations of "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" in Jalos. I am waiting for a couple of films from the
LDS to see if I can go a little further back. Thank you for offering me assistance with the Gonzalez name. My maternal grandmother's last name was Gonzalez, and she was from Jerez Zacatecas. There could be a connection there between Gonzalez from Zacatecas and Durango. I have not started doing research on my mother's side because I want to see how far I can go on my father's side of |
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I stand corrected as far as I made a
mistake in the message. After the word example: Navy, the word Navy doesnt belong there, the word should have been Army. What I am saying is that the isignia is not
"Universal" as your husband states. He is right when he says that a Captain's insignia in the Navy is an eagle, but in the Air Force it is the insignia for a Colonel! A Captain's insigina in the Air Force is two bars! PS: I spent 5 years in the U.S. Air
Force and for ten years, every two months, I would travel aboard a Mexican Navy Coast Guard Cutter.
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John
As a former Marine I don't believe you are correct:
Two bars in the U.S. Navy was a Lieutenent. A Captain
insignia in the Navy an Eagle. The Navy LT. did wear
two bars {bands} but on his sleeve. The Captain had
four on his.
Jose Munoz
--- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote:
> I don't believe your husband is right when he says
> that rank insignia is universal. One example: Navy
> A Captain's insigia is 2 bars, but in Mexico is
> three bars. U.S. Navy isignia are also different
> from the U.S. Air Force.
> 1gnzlz@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:20 PM
> Subject: [ranchos] Rank Of Leticia's Ancestors
>
>
> Hi, Leticia,
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> My husband was in the U. S. Marines, and he said
> that rank insignia are universal. He says the man
> sitting in the chair is a Captain (capitan). The
> other man with the blue eyes and a badge on his
> chest and insignia on his collar (it looks like
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I don't believe your husband is right when he says that
rank insignia is universal. One example: Navy A Captain's insigia is 2 bars, but in Mexico is three bars. U.S. Navy isignia are also different from the U.S. Air Force.
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Adressed to the Rancho member inquiry: Military Rank of ancestors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_in_the_Mexican_military
offers good contents.
Jose Munoz
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Hi, Leticia,My husband was in the U. S. Marines, and he said that rank insignia are universal. He says the man sitting in the chair is a Captain (capitan). The other man with the blue eyes and a badge on his chest and insignia on his collar (it looks like an eagle-emblem), is a Major (mayor?). The rank above major is Lt. Colonel.Emilie GarciaPort Orchard, WA --
Adressed to the Rancho member inquiry: Military Rank of ancestors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_in_the_Mexican_military offers good contents. Jose Munoz
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Hi, Leticia, My husband was in the U. S. Marines, and he said that rank insignia are universal. He says the man sitting in the chair is a Captain (capitan). The other man with the blue eyes and a badge on his chest and insignia on his collar (it looks like an eagle-emblem), is a Major (mayor?). The rank above major is Lt. Colonel. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA --
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No, but that's what I thought at first myself. It says he was from Spain originally but resident in this area (Zacatecas) for 18 years. Marge:)
On Dec 2, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
Marge,
Did I read correctly in your message below---the groom was 18 years old and the bride over 50?
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:15 PM
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Marge,
Did I read correctly in your message below---the groom was 18 years old and
the bride over 50? Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
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Hi Alicia: I am really confused about your husbands gg grandparents. I am having a hard time trying to picture the relationship. Can you find an easy way to explain it so that a dummy like me can understand it? Jhon Gonzalez.
Carol: Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Roolo 167998 OAH 2358 pt. 2. Matrimonios Hojas Sueltas, 1730. 28 de abril de 1730. Pg. 302 - #1625. Villanueva, Zac. Abril 28 de 1730. Exp. 27. Mentions declaracion del Cap. CRISTOBAL DEL MURO, de 64 anos de edad: Jose Munoz --- Carol Turnerwrote: > My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro, > Sanchez, > Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and > Gonzales, Gomez families. I have gone back into the > mid-1750's with most of these lines. I'm going to > submit more of our family tree since right now I > just > have our Muro's in the files. Our family lived in > Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were > back as far as 1731. Most of our family records > were > in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles, > Villanueva > and probably will find they started in Jerez. I > haven't been able to break through my brick wall > with > Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's). > > Thanks for the
Alberto Thanks for the information. So many common locallities, surnames, and places... May I ask the Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco Castallanos Sanchez? Although I see the money signs with the Munoz Family in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would improve the color of green on the tree. Thanks for the reply Jose Munoz --- Alberto Duartewrote: > Jose: > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased > (Lo > de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in > the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the > wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that > time. > > > Alberto > > --- Alberto Duarte wrote: > > > I would say yes. Duarte and the Haro families did > > intermarry, too, in Jerez. Also, the ranch my > > uncles > > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside > of > > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna > family > > ties? > > > > Written on some of the church documents that I > >
Are we just all related?
I believe
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Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes to see if any of these names are on tree. I envy those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of you are true researchers and have helped so many of us with new ideas!!!! Carol Muro-Turner --- Alberto Duartewrote: > Jose: > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased > (Lo > de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in > the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the > wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that > time. > > > Alberto > > --- Alberto Duarte wrote: > > > I would say yes. Duarte and the Haro families did > > intermarry, too, in Jerez. Also, the ranch my > > uncles > > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside > of > > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna > family >
My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro, Sanchez, Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and Gonzales, Gomez families. I have gone back into the mid-1750's with most of these lines. I'm going to submit more of our family tree since right now I just have our Muro's in the files. Our family lived in Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were back as far as 1731. Most of our family records were in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles, Villanueva and probably will find they started in Jerez. I haven't been able to break through my brick wall with Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's). Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes to see if any of these names are on tree. I envy those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of you are true researchers and have helped so many of us with new ideas!!!! Carol Muro-Turner --- Alberto Duartewrote: > Jose: > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased > (Lo > de Luna
Jose: I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased (Lo de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that time. Alberto --- Alberto Duartewrote: > I would say yes. Duarte and the Haro families did > intermarry, too, in Jerez. Also, the ranch my > uncles > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family > ties? > > Written on some of the church documents that I > researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names > Pueblo > de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. > > Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was > one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas, > according > to a book I read. I sure could use some of his > money > now. > > Alberto Duarte Prieto > > > --- jose munoz wrote: > > > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? > > > > > Sagrada
I would say yes. Duarte and the Haro families did intermarry, too, in Jerez. Also, the ranch my uncles (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family ties? Written on some of the church documents that I researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names Pueblo de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas, according to a book I read. I sure could use some of his money now. Alberto Duarte Prieto --- jose munozwrote: > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? > > Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241 > pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII. 19 > de > Junio de 1684. Pg.6 -- #25. > > > > Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de > cuatro > grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ > CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del
Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following??
Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241
pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII. 19 de
Junio de 1684. Pg.6 -- #25.
Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de cuatro
grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del partido de
Taltenango, y residente en esta Ciudad de guadalajara,
hijo legitimo de MANUEL SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS y de
JOSEPHA DE RODAS, espanoles, vecinos de la
jurisdiccion de le Fresnillo; pretende casarse con
Dona JUANA DE LUNA, espanola, hija legitima de
BARTOLOME DE LUNA y Dona LORENZA DE HARO, vecinos del
partido de Taltenango. Declaraccion de FRANCISCO
XAVIER MEJIA, espanol de 30 anos de edad, vecino del
Pueblo de Taltenango, y residente de esta dicha Ciudad
de Guadalajara: Que THOMASINA DE HARO y HERNANDO DE
HARO, Difuntos, fueron primos hermanos, y la dicha
THOMASINA, tuvo por su hijo legitimo a MANUEL SANCHEZ,
padre
The exploitation and enslavement of 500 years,from Mexico's caste and colonial system under the Encomienda, are rooted deep within all of us. A weed is a hard thing eradicate. Remember when you had Dallas grass? Hopefully these last 50 years of struggling against racial nationalism(e.g. defeat of the Nazi's,collapse of Communism and the development of the American Civil Rights Movement and birth of the Rock 'n Roll and Salsa) will give fruit to a more equal distribution of the benefits of being alive,well, singing and dancing in these times. --- Emilie Garciawrote: > Well, according to some, I made some misconceived > assumptions in my posting about the uncanny > resemblance of some people in the religious and > merchant and military communities of Jalisco and > Aguascalientes (the altenos, as Irma says). > However, as Carol Turner states in her posting about > Colotlan, Spaniards and Indians were segregated > prior to 1821, and I know of some that kept their
Are we just all related? I believe the Sanchez Castellanos families from Jerez/Xerez were related to the Duartes from Jerez. Two of my great------grandmothers from Jerez were from Sanchez family and my uncle Tribucio Duarte and Francisco Castellano Sanchez were business partners back in 1815. I do know that Francisco Castellanos was originally from Aguascalientes. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Margarita Vallazzawrote: > Just posting some info I have found-- > > "Mezquital del Oro, Zac., Nov. 25 1748. Exp. 24 - > Informacion > Matrimonial del Ultramarino y Dispensa de Banas. En > el Real de San > Juan de Bautista del Mezquital, se levanto la > informacion de Don > Francisco de Idon y Romay, esp., originario del > puerto de Marin en > Reino de Galicia y residente en estos Reinos de diez > y ocho anyos, hijo > legitimo de Don Marcos Idon y Romay y de Donya Maria > Gonzalez de > Mendoza; con Donya Maria Sanchez Castellanos, espa. > de
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ojala que los otros en el grupo conocen un poco de sus preguntas porque
yo no tengo informacion.
se miran bien,
joseph
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