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John,
My roots also seem to lead to Panuco, since that is where the original
Olagues were from before they came to Jerez and Tepetongo. I too have met a roadblock and dead end with my father's maternal side. Emilie Garcia
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There also appears to be films for the civil registry for that year. Registros civiles del municipio de Ciudad Garcia 1861-1920 Authors Ciudad Garcia (Zacatecas). Registro Civil (Main Author) Nacimientos 1903-1904 FHL INTL Film 1081921 Registros parroquiales, 1648-1961 Authors Iglesia Catolica. Inmaculada (Jerez, Zacatecas) Bautismos 1899-1903 FHL INTL Film 439867 Bautismos 1903-1907 FHL INTL Film 439868 --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duartewrote: > > John: > I've seen Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to > the early 1900s. I requested these records > (microfiche) a couple of years ago from our local LSD > library. So they do exist. > > Alberto Duarte Prieto > Santa Maria, California > > --- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@v...> wrote: > > > Hi Emilie: > > > > It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I > > remember her talking about being born in "Minillas > > de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no > > records for
John, approximately 12 years ago I met a gentleman from the Somos Primos genealogical group at the Westwood Latter Day Saints library. I don't remember his name but he was a distant relative of my wife Rebeca Gutierrez Gonzalez; although she did not remember him. He told me he also was from the same Gonzales-Casillas family branch from Los Altos, like my wife. He helped me to interpret a 1797 Jerez marriage document written in Spanish. Anyway, this gentleman had genealogical charts of over 2200 past relatives that started in Los Altos and went all the way back to to the year 1200 in Spain. If you are able contact him, I'm sure he would be more that happy to share his findings with you. Also, the gentlemen looked like an Anglo (typical of many of those from Los Altos, fair, tall, blue eyes); his English and Spanish were excellent and he seemed very well educated, and friendly. He told me that he lived in San Fernando Valley and was a software programmer. If you contact the
John: I've seen Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. I requested these records (microfiche) a couple of years ago from our local LSD library. So they do exist. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote: > Hi Emilie: > > It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I > remember her talking about being born in "Minillas > de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no > records for that period when she tried to establish > her legal status in the U.S. (legal resident) . I > believe she had an affidavit from Jerez, stating > that there were no records of her birth in 1903 > because they had been destroyed by fire. > > She died in Lodi, California, about 25 years ago. > I have tried to find some of her personal papers, > like birth certificate, marriage certificate, > passport, Green Card, without success. I asked my > brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what > happened to all of her papers. >
Linda, What is it that you want to know about the chocolateria? I have family in Guadalajara that I could ask. Maria --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Linda R Romerowrote: > > Is anyone on this list familiar enough with Guadalajara to have > information on this chocolateria? > > La Sultana Gran Chocolateria, Molino y Tostador De > Cafe. It was located Av. Alvaro Obregon 295 in Guadalajara. Aurelio > Reyes, Villasenor is also on the letterhead. It was established in > 1900. My parents were there in 1941. I believe it was owned by > members of the de la Torre family. > > Adolfo de la Torre owned several ranches around Guadalajara and > Tepatitlan de Morelos. His sister, Sophia de la Torre married > Castulo Romero, a tailor from Guadalajara. They lived in Tepatitlan > de Morelos ca. 1890-1910. > > Thank you. > > Linda Romero >
Is anyone on this list familiar enough with Guadalajara to have
information on this chocolateria?
La Sultana Gran Chocolateria, Molino y Tostador De Cafe. It was located Av. Alvaro Obregon 295 in Guadalajara. Aurelio
Reyes, Villasenor is also on the letterhead. It was established in
1900. My parents were there in 1941. I believe it was owned by
members of the de la Torre family.
Adolfo de la Torre owned several ranches around Guadalajara and
Tepatitlan de Morelos. His sister, Sophia de la Torre married
Castulo Romero, a tailor from Guadalajara. They lived in Tepatitlan
de Morelos ca. 1890-1910.
Thank you. Linda Romero
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Emilie: It is probably the "Magic" of the Season...I can't think of a better Christmas present.
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Hi Emilie:
It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I
remember her talking about being born in "Minillas de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no records for that period when she tried to establish her legal status in the U.S. (legal resident) . I believe she had an affidavit from Jerez, stating that there were no records of her birth in 1903 because they had been destroyed by fire. She died in Lodi, California, about 25 years
ago. I have tried to find some of her personal papers, like birth certificate, marriage certificate, passport, Green Card, without success. I asked my brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what happened to all of her papers. Her parents were: Preciliano Cerros and Apolonia
Gonzalez. I remember hearing my grandfather talking about Pánuco but I was too young to remember what he said about it. The name stuck to the back of my mind. I am almost ready to start researching her side of
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John,
The link sent by Jose Munoz was of great interest to me because my
husband's maternal grandfather was a Chihuahua (Ciudad de Chihuahua) policeman, a "federal", born in 1853, died in 1951, chased "el Indio Victorio" all over the place, never caught him. I have one picture of him in his uniform, which is very, very different from the ones worn by Leticia's ancestors (it looks more like the uniform worn by the soldiers of the Confederate States of America in the 1860's, light colored with a cap). Unfortunately, in the picture, he is seated holding one of his infant daughters and his left breast is obscured by the child, so I can't see a badge. The photo is very faint in some places, but I can make out the insignia on the cap clearly: it is two light colored bars (vertical----gold or silver?) with a dark bar in the middle. The insignia on the shoulder is too faint to make out. My husband is taking his nightly nap right now (I've been up all night putting up |
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John,
1467!!!! Sixteen generations!!! My God, you lead a charmed
life. Only five months into your research, and you have found so much. How I (and the rest) envy you. With your membership in this group, maybe some of your luck will rub off on us. Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
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John,
So your grandmother was born in Jerez in 1903 and you say the records were
"destroyed"? My father was born in Jerez also in 1903, and when we went there to try to get a birth record the priest at the church told him that the records for 1903 had been "burned" (I presumed that happened around 1910-1916 when my father and his father left Mexico forever because the fighting was so horrendous there during the Revolution. What were you told about how the records were destroyed? Please let me know if you find anything on those born in Jerez in 1903. I recently posted a link to my Olague-Tinajero [Felix] tree that I updated on World Connect. Did you see it? My maternal grandmother was Gorgonia Garcia and her parents were Ignacio
Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez. I have not found a thing on them yet in the IGI, and I am assuming they were from Jerez, since my father Guadalupe Olague was born there, but his father Francisco Olague was born, as were all his |
Thank you for the information. I clearly see hte eagle now. Jose Munoz --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, leticia leonwrote: > > it looks fine, but the eagle is bending the head; in the photo the head is up, could be a police; the photo most probably was taken in Jesus Maria or Arandas, Jal. between 1920 and 1930. I think he is my great-grandfather half brother. All of these photos were given to my father when my gg father past the way by, the last and third wife. thank you, Leticia Leon > > jose munoz escribió: Leticia Leon and John Gonzales > > Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following > site: > http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm > Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a > Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your > opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken? > > Jose Munoz > > --- leticia leon wrote: > > > sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for > > the meaning of the
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John,
The men in question were not Navy. They were in an
ejercito---Army. My husband said he saw what they called "tracks" on the shoulder of the man seated--that is a Captain's rank insignia. The other man had nothing on his shoulder, but he had an insignia on his collar and an eagle on his chest. He believes he was a major. At the time, 1920's, didn't the Mexican forces kind of follow the American uniforms? About the sword, my husband didn't know; he said that went out long time ago in the US, unless the cavalry used them. Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
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Leticia Leon and John Gonzales
Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following
site:
http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm
Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a
Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your
opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken?
Jose Munoz
--- leticia leon
wrote:
> sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for
> the meaning of the ..." thanks. Leticia Leon
> Morales
>
> John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> escribió:
> The last line of your message is confusing...
>
> I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had
> nothing to
Leticia Leon and John Gonzales Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following site: http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken? Jose Munoz --- leticia leonwrote: > sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for > the meaning of the ..." thanks. Leticia Leon > Morales > > John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> escribió: > The last line of your message is confusing... > > I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had > nothing to do with rank. In the U.S. Armed Forces, > the eagle emblem on the headgear only designates > "enlisted" or "officer" the enlisted has a circle > around the eagle, the officer's emblem has a bigger > eagle without the circle. > > I am no expert, but the CP could designate the > unit to which he belonged, not the rank...Keep on > digging, Iam sure somebody will come up
Thanks Alberto; No apology is necessary. I appreciate the hard work, information, and time you openly share. Jose Munoz --- Alberto Duartewrote: > Jose: > Please accept my apology, I made a mistake in the > name > below, it should be Antonio Sanchez Castellanos, not > Francisco Castellanos Sanchez. I look it this > evening > in a book that call "Jerez-Historia tradicione > Inspiracion Poetica', by Samuel Correa C. I was > told > last year that Mr. Correa passed away in Jerez, > Zacatecas. > > Alberto > > --- jose munoz wrote: > > > Alberto > > Thanks for the information. So many common > > locallities, surnames, and places... May I ask > the > > Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco > > Castallanos Sanchez? > > > > Although I see the money signs with the Munoz > Family > > in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would > > improve the color of green on the tree. > > > > Thanks for the reply > > > > Jose Munoz > > > > --
Jose: Please accept my apology, I made a mistake in the name below, it should be Antonio Sanchez Castellanos, not Francisco Castellanos Sanchez. I look it this evening in a book that call "Jerez-Historia tradicione Inspiracion Poetica', by Samuel Correa C. I was told last year that Mr. Correa passed away in Jerez, Zacatecas. Alberto --- jose munozwrote: > Alberto > Thanks for the information. So many common > locallities, surnames, and places... May I ask the > Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco > Castallanos Sanchez? > > Although I see the money signs with the Munoz Family > in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would > improve the color of green on the tree. > > Thanks for the reply > > Jose Munoz > > --- Alberto Duarte wrote: > > > Jose: > > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased > > (Lo > > de Luna, which included a number of other ranches > in > > the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the > >
The last line of your message is confusing...I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had nothing to do with rank. In the U.S. Armed Forces, the eagle emblem on the headgear only designates "enlisted" or "officer" the enlisted has a circle around the eagle, the officer's emblem has a bigger eagle without the circle.I am no expert,
but the CP could designate the unit to which he belonged, not the rank...Keep on digging, Iam sure somebody will come up with an answer.Good luck.----- Original Message -----From: leticia leonSent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:54 PMSubject: [ranchos] militar insignia regarding my photosok,
in the original picture (I should do this in the first place)the
militar sitting has three bars in the hat and so on the shoulders; the
other, with
Hi Alberto:Thank you for the "heads up " on a very interesting article. It has quite a few names that I am presently researching. It is going to take a few days to sort everything out to make
"heads or tails" . Just a quick preliminary perusing reveals a lot of information that I can use.Today has been one of those days that makes you feel almost numb from joy and good fortune. Earlier in the day I got en E-mail from Ken Alva. He sent me some information that will take me all the way back to the birth of Alonso de Hermosillo in Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain in 1467 !!! Three
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Hi Alberto:
Thank you for the "heads up " on a
very interesting article. It has quite a few names that I am presently researching. It is going to take a few days to sort everything out to make "heads or tails" . Just a quick preliminary perusing reveals a lot of information that I can use. Today has been one of those days that makes
you feel almost numb from joy and good fortune. Earlier in the day I got en E-mail from Ken Alva. He sent me some information that will take me all the way back to the birth of Alonso de Hermosillo in Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain in 1467 !!! Three generations in Spain, 10 generations in Jalos, and 3 in California! That puts me in the 16th generation of Gonzalez"s. I had gotten stuck with Juan Gonzalez de
Hermosillo and his wife from Mexico City .They settled in Jalostotitlan in the late 1500's. Ken's information picks him up from there and
takes him three generations back into Spain!!! Talk about getting lucky. I have
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John, check out the below website. It has some of the same names you've mentioned in some of your emails. The website was sit up by my wife's (Rebeca Gutierrez Gonzalez) relatives from Los Altos, Jalisco. I hope it helps you find some more names and relatives. Who knows? we may be related. Good luck. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/articulos.htm --- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote: > Hello Jose: > > Thank you for your kind words, we all need a few > words of encouragement every now and then and I > appreciate your words. Thank you again. > As far as : "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" is concerned, I > found a book titled : "Jalostotitlan a Traves de > Los Siglos" The book mentions Juan Gonzalez de > Hermosillo as being one of the first settlers in > Jalostotitlan, along with his wife Ana. I traced my > line all the way back to him and that's where I find > myself at the moment. There were 10 generations of > "Gonzalez de
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The last line of your message is confusing...
I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had
nothing to do with rank. In the U.S. Armed Forces, the eagle emblem on the headgear only designates "enlisted" or "officer" the enlisted has a circle around the eagle, the officer's emblem has a bigger eagle without the circle. I am no expert, but the CP could designate the
unit to which he belonged, not the rank...Keep on digging, Iam sure somebody will come up with an answer. Good luck.
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Joseph,
Can we discuss Comida? I have an idea I want to run by you. May I call you this week? Marge:)
On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
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Click here: SOMOS PRIMOS: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity Issues
Merry Christmas to all . . . . primos, friends, and researchers.
I hope you will all enjoy a Merry Christmas with lots of family togetherness.
It is a perfect opportunity to ask questions, take picture, and share family stories.
Thank you all for your supportive comments, and for the articles and information you to share.
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ok, in the original picture (I should do this in the first place)the militar sitting has three bars in the hat and so on the shoulders; the other, with an eagle badge has two capital letters on the collar C and P. In the site www.en.wikipedia.org I found for the mexican army that three bars mean Capitan Segundo (Senior Captain)and three bars with the one in the middle been shorter means Capitan Primero (Captain) so I have know why the eagle on the chest and CP on the collar.